Feel like I can never be a real adult...am I stuck being a child forever?

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It’s part of it, anyway. I do have some fairly significant mental health issues…hopefully treatable but it’s a slow and expensive process. There’s a bundle of issues…I need therapy once a week, plus psychiatric care for medications, plus the medications themselves. I’m on my parents’ insurance right now; my school does offer a plan but it covers very little (5 visits a year, I think) and has quite high copays. It’s complicated by the fact that my health severely limits the hours and type of work I can do - and perhaps more immediately, severely interferes with my ability to find and apply for work.
This might be something to keep in mind for the future when looking for a job: as long as the company employs at least 51 employees, mental health must be covered in an equivalent manner with other health issues.
The general rule is that a plan may not impose a financial requirement or quantitative treatment limitation applicable to mental health or substance use disorder benefits in any classification that is more restrictive than the predominant financial requirement or quantitative limitation of that type applied to substantially all medical/surgical benefits in the same classification.
You can read more about it here: dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq-mhpaea2.html

I hope this helps a bit! 🙂
 
Ok, I think I can help. Women tend to be bossy, while men tend to be cold. So maybe ask your Mom to be more meek and humble? 🤷
You do realize that’s pretty sexist? Somehow I avoided being bossy, but my mom is because she’s a woman? I don’t think so.

But in any case…as far as I can tell, she’s decided I’m a stupid rebellious child who is doing things just to spite her. Not with the mental illness per se, but with a lot of other choices (most of which I took without any regard to her at all).
This might be something to keep in mind for the future when looking for a job: as long as the company employs at least 51 employees, mental health must be covered in an equivalent manner with other health issues.

You can read more about it here: dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq-mhpaea2.html

I hope this helps a bit! 🙂
Thanks. I can verify, unfortunately, that our school insurance is just universally bad. The rule I cited is just their rule for specialist visits. It’s complicated by the whole “any counselor can treat anything” mentality - they would want me to see their general LSW counselor as treatment for serious mental illness. That’s unfortunately something I’ve found to be common, and it makes about as much sense as saying you can see an RN for every physical health problem.
 
I am not trying to be sexist, but men and women are different.
Being more humble, loving and meek can only bring good things.
Men can be bossy too.
 
I am not trying to be sexist, but men and women are different.
Being more humble, loving and meek can only bring good things.
Men can be bossy too.
Would you tell your mother that she needed to be more humble and meek? Especially if she clearly thought that she was doing the best thing she could to bring her rebellious child under control?
 
Would you tell your mother that she needed to be more humble and meek? Especially if she clearly thought that she was doing the best thing she could to bring her rebellious child under control?
Absolutely.
 
Absolutely.
In most places I know that would be considered incredibly insulting. Children do not tell their parents what virtues the parents should work on.
I think Its good to tell your mother how you feel.
Again, you assume I have not. I’m sorry, but you’re presenting some incredibly simplistic advice that leads me to believe you have never dealt with someone who is truly critical or manipulative. Open communication only works when there are two parties willing to communicate. In this case there aren’t - my mother is interested in correcting a rebellious daughter, not in talking through things.
 
In most places I know that would be considered incredibly insulting. Children do not tell their parents what virtues the parents should work on.

Again, you assume I have not. I’m sorry, but you’re presenting some incredibly simplistic advice that leads me to believe you have never dealt with someone who is truly critical or manipulative. Open communication only works when there are two parties willing to communicate. In this case there aren’t - my mother is interested in correcting a rebellious daughter, not in talking through things.
1 My father went to confession recently for the first time in 30 years . Parents absolutely need constructive criticism. They are sinners too!

2 Nobody is truly critical or manipulative. We are all good. Do you know what evil is? The absence of good. Same goes for people, none are truly evil or mean, but actually lacking goodness. If you’re mother isn’t willing to communicate or be reasonable, than tough luck. Saint Francis of Assisi had a terrible relationship with his father. We don’t have to get along with our parents. But we do have to honor and respect them.
 
In most places I know that would be considered incredibly insulting. Children do not tell their parents what virtues the parents should work on.

Again, you assume I have not. I’m sorry, but you’re presenting some incredibly simplistic advice that leads me to believe you have never dealt with someone who is truly critical or manipulative. Open communication only works when there are two parties willing to communicate. In this case there aren’t - my mother is interested in correcting a rebellious daughter, not in talking through things.
That was my first impression of that advice as well. Besides my own situation, I have observed other families struggling with mental illness and if it can be summed up in just one word, that word would be complicated. My family recently buried a cousin of mine who suffered serious mental issues for several decades and it was overwhelming for many who interacted with her. The parental generation had trouble understanding what to do at all; my own generation had more understanding but by then the situation was deteriorating.

DarkLight, it’s great that you are educating yourself in how to cope and wanting to be proactive. Don’t let ignorant comments (ignorant not meaning insult, just lack of being informed, which can be remedied) bother you.
 
I am sorry if i gave bad advice i was just trying to help :o… i will pray for you.
 
1 My father went to confession recently for the first time in 30 years . Parents absolutely need constructive criticism. They are sinners too!

2 Nobody is truly critical or manipulative. We are all good. Do you know what evil is? The absence of good. Same goes for people, none are truly evil or mean, but actually lacking goodness. If you’re mother isn’t willing to communicate or be reasonable, than tough luck. Saint Francis of Assisi had a terrible relationship with his father. We don’t have to get along with our parents. But we do have to honor and respect them.
:confused::confused::confused:

So not true! There IS such a thing as evil and it is not just the absence of good. I’m happy that you have never come into contact with such a person. I have, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that not only are some people critical, manipulative, maladjusted, and even sociopathic. In other words, they are EVIL.

I am not implying that the OP’s mother is evil. Only that such people do exist, and there are quite a few of them.

Also, we are commanded by God to honor our parents, but this does not mean that we have to put up with abuse from them. Honoring can mean keeping one’s boundaries strong and praying for them. We’re not called to let them take advantages of us either.
 
That was my first impression of that advice as well. Besides my own situation, I have observed other families struggling with mental illness and if it can be summed up in just one word, that word would be complicated. My family recently buried a cousin of mine who suffered serious mental issues for several decades and it was overwhelming for many who interacted with her. The parental generation had trouble understanding what to do at all; my own generation had more understanding but by then the situation was deteriorating.

DarkLight, it’s great that you are educating yourself in how to cope and wanting to be proactive. Don’t let ignorant comments (ignorant not meaning insult, just lack of being informed, which can be remedied) bother you.
Thanks. Honestly, a lot of my struggle right now is either internal or in dealing with other people.

My mother is toxic in many ways. She does not respect me as an adult. She very much acts as though any show of independence on my part is rebellion against her. I understand this. It hurts, it’s not easy to deal with, but I do understand. She’s chosen how she will be and there’s nothing I can say or do that will make her change. If I were independent, I would tell her straight-out that I would not be coming to visit unless she moderated her criticisms and emotional manipulation. As it is, I do the best I can to shield myself from the effects (and believe me it does still hurt, even if I know it’s her problem and not mine).

But what’s much worse is the effect on me in general. I’m ashamed to admit that I’m 25 and still dependent in part on my parents, that I’m not working right now because I got too sick and had to take time off. I struggle with finding safe places to deal with my own situations because of the level of guilt I face. I get told constantly that if it were really that bad I’d find a way out - except there is no good way out. I’m ashamed to admit that I struggle with our relationship, because I’m accused often of being ungrateful and told I have no right to criticize her or expect anything of her until I’m supporting myself.

***Honestly, I’m ashamed of myself. *** I hear the stories of how awful 20-somethings who expect their parents to pay for them while they play games instead of work are, and I sit back and think “that’s me.” I wonder what I’m doing for society to justify my own existence. I worry that I’m taking up space in classes that could be better used by someone healthy. And I worry that if I can’t get out, if that means I should just shut up and be glad that at least someone’s willing to pay the bills so I can get treatment, no matter what the cost is. After all, it’s not like she’s asking me to do anything immoral, just painful…
 
1 My father went to confession recently for the first time in 30 years . Parents absolutely need constructive criticism. They are sinners too!

2 Nobody is truly critical or manipulative. We are all good. Do you know what evil is? The absence of good. Same goes for people, none are truly evil or mean, but actually lacking goodness. If you’re mother isn’t willing to communicate or be reasonable, than tough luck. Saint Francis of Assisi had a terrible relationship with his father. We don’t have to get along with our parents. But we do have to honor and respect them.
Parents certainly can use constructive criticism, but they are rarely willing to accept it from their own children, even when they are grown. Listening to a priest is one thing, taking it off of your own kid is another.

In addition, lots of people are absolutely critical and manipulative! Such people often go into overdrive when they think they can get away with it. (Such as when the victim is suffering from a mental illness and are more likely to question their boundaries with the manipulative person.) You are very fortunate if you haven’t yet encountered such a person. Perhaps you are a strong personality and are less likely to become a victim of such a person? Even so, it’s strange that you haven’t got someone in your life who has been manipulated.

It’s easy to say “tough luck” when other people don’t get on or communicate well with their parents, however, when said parents are meant to be be part of a support system for someone who struggles with mental health, you bet your behind that appropriate, non-emotional, non-manipulative communication is essential to the child’s treatment.
 
:confused::confused::confused:

So not true! There IS such a thing as evil and it is not just the absence of good. I’m happy that you have never come into contact with such a person. I have, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that not only are some people critical, manipulative, maladjusted, and even sociopathic. In other words, they are EVIL.

I am not implying that the OP’s mother is evil. Only that such people do exist, and there are quite a few of them.

Also, we are commanded by God to honor our parents, but this does not mean that we have to put up with abuse from them. Honoring can mean keeping one’s boundaries strong and praying for them. We’re not called to let them take advantages of us either.
ok ok ok… im sorry… i really didnt know there were truly evil people…and i totally agree we dont have to put up with abuse from parents.
 
Parents certainly can use constructive criticism, but they are rarely willing to accept it from their own children, even when they are grown. Listening to a priest is one thing, taking it off of your own kid is another.

In addition, lots of people are absolutely critical and manipulative! Such people often go into overdrive when they think they can get away with it. (Such as when the victim is suffering from a mental illness and are more likely to question their boundaries with the manipulative person.) You are very fortunate if you haven’t yet encountered such a person. Perhaps you are a strong personality and are less likely to become a victim of such a person? Even so, it’s strange that you haven’t got someone in your life who has been manipulated.

It’s easy to say “tough luck” when other people don’t get on or communicate well with their parents, however, when said parents are meant to be be part of a support system for someone who struggles with mental health, you bet your behind that appropriate, non-emotional, non-manipulative communication is essential to the child’s treatment.
i mean i used to be bullied by mean kids but I dont think ive ever met a truly evil manipulative person… and yes, there were times in my life when people i knew got manipulated and it was very sad… and yea ok, i agree with the last part. sorry again for bad advice. put foot in my mouth.
 
Honestly I don’t think the problem with our relationship has to do with my mental health. She’s always been this way, and she treats my father very much the same way she does me. She’s just critical and far too easily offended, and she’s too busy trying to correct me most of the time to actually have much idea of what’s going on. It’s at the point where I dread seeing her or even talking on the phone because I don’t want my life and decisions picked apart.
I disagree. Your mental health and progress is at stake if you are feeling as you do. You need a support group or social worker or some kind of advocate. A child has child protective services, a senior has adult protective services. Where I live there are several groups that advocate for adults dealing with mental health issues. I think you are stuck in confusion and shame and need to step out to advocacy and responsibility. And you need someone to help you and your family understand what this might look like. Trust me that outside help has a better chance of success than for a family to continue on in ignorance of the possibilities towards independence.
 
Thanks. Honestly, a lot of my struggle right now is either internal or in dealing with other people.

My mother is toxic in many ways. She does not respect me as an adult. **She very much acts as though any show of independence on my part is rebellion against her. ** I understand this. It hurts, it’s not easy to deal with, but I do understand. She’s chosen how she will be and there’s nothing I can say or do that will make her change. ** If I were independent, I would tell her straight-out that I would not be coming to visit unless she moderated her criticisms and emotional manipulation. As it is, I do the best I can to shield myself from the effects (and believe me it does still hurt, even if I know it’s her problem and not mine).

But what’s much worse is the effect on me in general. I’m ashamed to admit that I’m 25 and still dependent in part on my parents, **that I’m not working right now because I got too sick and had to take time off. I struggle with finding safe places to deal with my own situations because of the level of guilt I face. I get told constantly that if it were really that bad I’d find a way out - except there is no good way out. I’m ashamed to admit that I struggle with our relationship, **because I’m accused often of being ungrateful and told I have no right to criticize her or expect anything of her until I’m supporting myself.

*Honestly, I’m ashamed of myself. *** I hear the stories of how awful 20-somethings who expect their parents to pay for them while they play games instead of work are, and I sit back and think “that’s me.” I wonder what I’m doing for society to justify my own existence. I worry that I’m taking up space in classes that could be better used by someone healthy. And I worry that if I can’t get out, if that means I should just shut up and be glad that at least someone’s willing to pay the bills so I can get treatment, no matter what the cost is. After all, it’s not like she’s asking me to do anything immoral, just painful…
You could be describing my life. The resemblance is almost eerie. Please don’t take the guilt and shame all on yourself. This kind of situation requires much patience and heroic effort to extricate oneself from.

I may have mentioned that my mother had suffered much loss in her life, and by the time she married my father I believe she had post-traumatic stress and a lot of stored up grief. She also had anxiety and depression and post-partum depression and physical illness with my birth. When I was a preschooler she also became diabetic. Point is, she had a level of anxiety and difficulty coping that led her to the kind of extremes as you describe experiencing.

For all my life, she would tell me how precious I was to her and how much she longed to have me. But she also had to control me (and my dad) and as I grow older and have had to deal with my own issues I understand more and more what drove her. I do not for one moment believe that she set out in the beginning to make me an emotional cripple as some sort of malicious scheme.

And in our relationship over time, love ultimately triumphed. When she died, as I was planning her funeral, I had this indescribable moment when I felt some part of her spirit come into me. Not in a weird way but in a way like she was bequeathing me her good qualities - that strength that enabled her to survive - to face what I would need to face. We also had ample time during her bedridden years to forgive each other a lot.

But I don’t mean to digress. The behaviors of your mother that cause you to feel all knotted up inside, that keep you dependent, are probably a product of her deepest fears. She may not have much “emotional wisdom” on how to deal with those. It’s not fair that the greater burden should fall on you but it’s probably going to. I don’t know if she is open, at a calm time, to a conversation about how much you want to grow and not be so dependent, but maybe you can try that.

One tip I learned - if you start to see a discussion is going south, just quickly and as calmly as you can, end it for the time being. Once this sort of person gets riled up they aren’t going to be able to dial it back down to rationality, and neither of you needs the drama, all it does is raise your blood pressure and stress levels. It’s better to present these things in bits and pieces. This is not the same as “pussyfooting around” - it’s allowing the person to open their mind to new ideas in small doses.

Keep posting, I’ll keep responding with more if any of this is helpful. Again, do not take the shame on yourself. You and your mom are caught up in something where your inner needs and fears are clashing, that’s all. :console: Not easy, but not your fault, okay?
 
ok ok ok… im sorry… i** really didnt know there were truly evil people…**…and i totally agree we dont have to put up with abuse from parents.
You must be very young. Live a few more years and you’ll discover them.
 
** I wonder what I’m doing for society to justify my own existence. **

You do not have to do a single thing in order to justify your existence. These idiotic ideas that are popular in secular societies are not Christian. You are a beloved child of God and that is enough to make you valuable. You are a human being. You are worth so much. Please don’t listen to people who say otherwise.

I was also financially dependent on my father until my late 20s because I did a graduate degree. Looking back I regret my choice because he used the situation to control me and constantly criticise me and to try to convince me that I was useless and lazy and a parasite. 😦
I really understand what you are going through and how you are feeling. I felt awful about myself and almost quit my degree at one point in order to get a job and prove my worth to him. My father has always been like that and there was always material for his criticism and tearing apart of my self worth and my confidence. I experienced it before and after my years of studying, so I know that the fact I was dependent on him was not the cause for his behaviour.

It seems that it is the same with your mother. This is not about you - it is about her and her issues and she is taking them out on you. I understand that this does not solve your problem of being dependant on her but maybe it will help you keep things in perspective. Never lose self respect. Pray that God sends help your way and that your circumstances change. Please don’t give up hope.
 
Sorry, this has just still been on my mind…

It’s not just about my mother. It’s a lot of things. I feel terrible in general for needing extra help. I’ve learned to hide away in polite society as people talk about welfare and laziness and entitlement…knowing far too often that they mean people like me. I feel like even trying to get enough resources together to survive and heal is entitled - who am I to think I deserve anything from anyone else? Yet if I deserve nothing, how am I worth anything? How can I ever hope to set boundaries or choose for myself if I have to depend on others? How could I dare, how could I be so evil as to try to protect myself from the people who help me? Don’t I owe them everything?
 
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