Female athletes fight back

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The legal right, as I interpret it, is that trans women are to be recognized by society as women, not men. You or I may disagree on biological and/or moral grounds, but there is a legal conflict regardless.
 
flamingpuppet said:
Yes. The rights of girls to have their own athletic events and sports in equal proportion to boys’ sports. Biological girls only. Allowing boys to compete as “girls” violates Title IX, among other things.
If so called “transgender” athletes want real equity they should only compete against each other, not steal opportunities from biological girls.
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JimR-OCDS said:
The dynamics change when a girl is placed among boys or a boy is among girls.

A boy losing to a girl, suffers the stigma among his peers where a girl losing to a boy has no negative emotional effect.
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Nevermind that a girl losing to a boy is of little benefit to either. The boy’s win is diminished, and the girl’s loss is elevated. Coed sports are absurd by nature, period.
 
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I’m going to go against the grain of this thread and say the girls filing the lawsuit are wrong. They’re trying to get rid of competition in their sport because they can’t beat them honestly.
 
Because the girls are actual girls! And they deserve to be able to compete against other actual girls.
 
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OK so we should eliminate all differences in body type, including paralympics and special olympics; let’s get rid of weight classes too, because those featherweights can’t compete against the heavyweights — just throw everyone into the same arena?
 
Sports will eventually have acronyms designating participation by biology at birth.
 
And if you ask transgender athletes they’ll swear on their life that they’re girls. In fact the State of Connecticut agrees, allowing a transgender person to change the gender on his or her birth certificate. In the state of Connecticut, in the eyes of the law, a transgender girl is an actual girl.
 
That’s not an argument. Unless you explain why it’s unreasonable, imprudent, or unjust to give transgender individuals the same legal rights as cisgender athletes it’s not an argument.
 
I hope they win, too. There are very real consequences to allowing transgender athletes to participate in athletics of the opposite sex, and the article highlights that: they’re potentially stealing scholarships from actual girls. In any case, scholarship or no scholarship, they have an unfair advantage over girls, and are stealing wins from them.

Either bar transgender athletes from participation or let the girls use performance enhancing drugs to keep up.
 
But biologically, they are not girls.

Can someone decide they are a cat and that makes it so? Can I say I weigh something I don’t and that makes it real? No.

It’s ridiculous. And ridiculous that laws are being passed that enable such untruths.
 
BornInMarch said:
And if you ask transgender athletes they’ll swear on their life that they’re girls. In fact the State of Connecticut agrees, allowing a transgender person to change the gender on his or her birth certificate. In the state of Connecticut, in the eyes of the law, a transgender girl is an actual girl.
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You’re appealing to the rules of the state of Connecticut, which do not apply to anyone outside of Connecticut. A “people’s definition”.

We, on the other hand, are appealing to biology, particularly genetics, which applies to everyone. A “scientific definition”.

Which takes priority? And what happens when two different people’s definitions come into conflict?
 
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Regardless of gender identity, a biological male is built to be stronger than women.

Here are some differences I’ve gleaned from Fair Play for Women.

On average …
  • Men’s bones are bigger and stronger than women’s.
  • Men have longer and stronger leg bones.
  • Even with intensive weight training, women cannot put on as much muscle as men.
There are many other differences available on the link I provided.

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While I do appreciate your scientific (name removed by moderator)ut, why is it that these trans girls are sweeping all the events?

From the story posted above:
The lawsuit centers on two transgender sprinters, Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood, who have frequently outperformed their cisgender competitors.

The two seniors have combined to win 15 girls state indoor or outdoor championship races since 2017, according to the lawsuit.

The three plaintiffs have competed directly against them, almost always losing to Miller and usually behind Yearwood. Mitchell finished third in the 2019 state championship in the girls 55-meter indoor track competition behind Miller and Yearwood.
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njlisa said:
No matter how much estrogen is taken, a trained
biological male athlete is stronger and faster than
a biological female.
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It’s actually a lot more complicated than that. Don’t expect me to explain it, because I’m not a scientist, but I have read about this and listened to scientists talking about it on TV and the radio and it’s definitely more nuanced. From what I recall, the fundamental thing is to do with how the gender transition process causes reduction in muscle mass and red blood cells, while doing nothing to reduce the larger skeletal size, meaning that in some areas of athletics transwomen could be disadvantaged because they have a larger and heavier body but lack the muscle mass and red blood cells that would normally allow a man to use his larger physical size advantageously. As I say, it’s pretty complicated stuff, so those of us who are not sports scientists probably shouldn’t be making sweeping generalizations about things we probably don’t fully understand. The first systemic literature review on the subject was published less than three years ago: B.A. Jones, J. Arcelus, W.P. Bouman, and E. Haycraft, ‘Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies’, Sports Medicine 47.4 (April 2017), 701-16.
LovelyLadybug said:
Those so-called “transgender” athletes may call themselves girls but they are boys!!! Calling them “girls” would be a lie. I hope the real girls win. You go girls!!! 🙂
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flamingpuppet said:
I see no “rights” of biological males to compete in women’s sports, no matter how delusional the males might be.
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People are entitled to their opinions about biological sex and gender identity. . . .
 
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BornInMarch said:
Unless you explain why it’s unreasonable, imprudent, or unjust to give transgender individuals the same legal rights as cisgender athletes it’s not an argument.
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You must be trolling.
 
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