Female athletes fight back

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If there are significant athletic differences that make it unfair for transwomen to compete against females, but also unfair for them to compete against males, then they need their own category of competition.
 
Then the state lawmakers are delusional as well.
No surprise. The devil fools many millions. It’s his specialty.
 
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BornInMarch said:
I’m going to go against the grain of this thread and say the girls filing the lawsuit are wrong. They’re trying to get rid of competition in their sport because they can’t beat them honestly.
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Of course they cannot. Can a featherweight beat a heavyweight honestly? If the heavyweight suffered “weight dysphoria” and was convinced he was a skinny featherweight, would we admit them to that competition or require the fairness in segregation by weight to apply?
 
njlisa said:
Men’s bones are bigger and stronger than women’s.
Men have longer and stronger leg bones.
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Just pointing out that if the transition starts prior to puberty, then the transwomen may not reap the benefits of the bone growth, since that happens during puberty.
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Even with intensive weight training, women cannot put on as much muscle as men.
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This becomes less pronounced with HRT and may even disappear altogether after some time.

In general, whether or not trans athletes have an unfair advantage is unknown scientifically. We really only have hypotheses to go off of now. There’s also the added complication that going after X as the motivation for keeping trans athletes out may create a problem for women who naturally are bigger, more muscular, etc. We actually already have a case of this. Interestingly, the decision there was to force the woman to reduce her testosterone levels, which is what transwomen already do.
 
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Individual sports, perhaps. Coed team sports can be really fun for all.
 
ZMystiCat said:
In general, whether or not trans athletes have an unfair advantage is unknown scientifically. We really only have hypotheses to go off of now.
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If you feel strongly about that, best to stick with an objective basis for segregation in sport .
 
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There was a case in tennis that came to mind as I read this thread. It was the case of Renne Richards.
He had a different birth name, and was among the top 10 men in tennis, then he disappeared from the courts ( due to his transitioning it was later discovered) and reappeared as Renne Richards .
She was already playing the US Open when she was discovered by sb who realized how similar she was to that man( he was 1,88 cm tall, 6.2 , tall…) and so the USTA banned her participation and asked for a chromosome test which she refused,
Long story short, the Supreme Court which she appealed to, ruled in her favour.
So…this has happened before.
You may want to google for more details but it was a well known case in the tennis world at least.
 
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This information may be anecdotal. But it points to the reality that trans females athletes are tacking over women’s sports.


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Some advantages, such as their bigger bone structure, greater lung capacity, and larger heart size remain, says Alison Heather, a physiologist at the University of Otago in New Zealand.
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Oh no, it’s not anecdotal. It’s statistical. And there is only one possible conclusion: the biological male has a big edge over women in any sport involving strength or speed.And that’s most sports.
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I thought the story itself is anecdotal. But I agree that there are stats that back up the point.

I offer physiological points in my post above, including a skeletal illustration.
 
Oh no, it’s not anecdotal. It’s statistical. And there is only one possible conclusion: the biological male has a big edge over women in any sport involving strength or speed.
And that’s most sports.
 
But then, I like girls!
Seriously, though, I’ve played both coed soccer and softball with some very athletic and talented women. And fast pitch? Those girls are amazing! Not to mention–

 
Irishmom2 said:
Well, that really is not the same issue as this.
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In some cases, it is: the girls on testosterone boosters can end up with an edge over actual boys. (and for the same reason, couldn’t compete fairly with other girls).

In fact, the testosterone makes they’re competing with other girls unfair in every sport I can think of . . .

Also, even with testosterone suppressors, a boy will have years of both male musculature and skeleton that don’t go away due to the suppressed testosterone.

The complete absence of female athletes competing against males at the professional level in golf, basketball and soccer is telling . . .
 
These are high school girls though. Probably not too much testosterone taking going on.
 
flamingpuppet said:
Allowing boys to compete as “girls” violates Title IX,
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If I recall correctly, Title IX under the Obama administration was amended to clarify that discrimination on the basis of sex included the transgendered, and that a person who identifies as a woman IS a woman for the purpose of the regulation even though he is a biological male and has not been biologically or surgically altered. That rule may still be in effect; I’m ot sure. In any case, the Equality Act would legislate that understanding.
 
Compete against males you cheaters. That’s it for me. I’m out. I mute any homosexual or transgender threads because when I say what I really think I get flagged and suspended. Thread muted.
 
Not amended–re-interpreted.
And those guidelines have been rescinded under President Trump, God bless him!

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelines clarifying that Title IX’s prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. The newer guidelines do not specifically state that transgender students must use the bathroom or locker room that matches their gender assigned at birth. Instead, the directive says, “the Department of Education and the Department of Justice have decided to withdraw and rescind the above-referenced [Obama-era] guidance documents.”

Source: Title IX Protections for Transgender Students - FindLaw
 
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