Female priests and patriarchy

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This is a false understanding. Jesus, in everything He did, acted in a completely sovereign manner and had no obligation to observe the customs of the times. Please do not lie.
 
I’m not answering the question Why aren’t there women priests, but Why can’t the church ordain women. In other words, more about why the Church can’t change what it the current practice. And above any theological reasoning is simply the more fundamental reason that it is divine/apostolic foundation — not merely ecclesial, like the college of cardinals or priestly celibacy or the pentarchy of old.
 
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For the fideist, that is the best argument. For a Catholic, an argument that reveals the love of God for all people is the best argument.
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Nope.

It has to do with the fact of where the authority for such matters lies, for the Catholic.

This would not be a good answer for a progressive, pro-women-ordination Christian exploring Catholicism. Hence the “For a Catholic…”

It is the best answer. Not the only answer. If you want to get into the nitty gritty of theological reasoning, that is fine. But note the theological reasoning has been quite diverse throughout the centuries. In some ages past, you will find sexist Catholic thinkers. That is not good reasoning. There are good theories out there, but when it comes down to it, it is what the Apostles said. Like the Eucharist: you can’t put it under a microscope, but the ultimate reason is the authority of Christ.
 
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Point being: So you are Christian, but don’t accept the Apostles’ authority?

The same apostles that taught women are equal to men, rooted in Christ’s teaching, are the same apostles that initiated/maintained the tradition of male-only priests. That’s the point.

I’d rather go to Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, or Assyrian Christian answers to the nature of apostolic succession and institutions than a sect that formed 1500+ years later, get me?
 
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Does anyone disagree with the fact that Jesus was the embodiment of God in the form of a man? Does anyone disagree that he made statements about how the future would be with all of it’s pitfalls? Jesus was not afraid of saying things that were way ahead of it’s time in some regards. He knew that his church would prevail, that it would last, and even that it would be troubled.

With that in mind, I am pretty sure, if he really wanted woman in that role, he would have gone through pains to make that evident. Christ is the King of the Universe. He did not lack of foresight or vision.

Add to that, over two thousand years, there have been countless Saints, many who had special relationships with God, had visions, and then of course Our Lady, and her appearances. No one has said anything like, "Why are you not ordaining female priests?
 
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I used to work at a factory in my home town a few years ago before getting back into the auto Technician trade. This factory hired a lot of people from the probation center and a lot of people on parole.

Anyway, one of the girls I worked with on the line, was on parole from a Women’s prison in Michigan (completed her parole and is doing good now). She said a large portion of women in that prison were in for or had sex crimes or as they are referred to in my state, CSC. Some are in for some pretty heinous sexual abuse crimes on children and minors. Just wanted to add that to the conversation.

I despise the Maletoxicity word people are using today. Both men and women can commit horrible crimes and men are not in their nature predators looking for a victim to abuse if gone unchecked. So I agree with you.
 
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Isn’t that traditionally the husbands position, head of the household in matters of faith and morals? They are supposed to instill faith and morals in their children.

So you would be correct that the father could be the one passing on the faith.
Unfortunately these days, in most families, both parents work to support the family, and I think it falls on both parents to pass on the faith. Ideally, one parent would be at home raising the children and performing these duties while the other works, however that is not usually possible these days so it falls onto both. 🙂
 
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It is the best answer. Not the only answer. If you want to get into the nitty gritty of theological reasoning, that is fine. But note the theological reasoning has been quite diverse throughout the centuries. In some ages past, you will find sexist Catholic thinkers. That is not good reasoning. There are good theories out there, but when it comes down to it, it is what the Apostles said. Like the Eucharist: you can’t put it under a microscope, but the ultimate reason is the authority of Christ.
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It cannot be the best answer. It is a pragmatic, useful answer, but it is only the best answer if God is visible in it and all turn to God to praise him. The nitty gritty of theological reasoning cannot be dismissed, because it is a reflection of the faith of thinkers. Does anyone believe that women cannot govern AND that Mary is Queen of Heaven? Does anyone believe that women cannot have authority over men AND that Mary can tell people to do whatever Jesus asks? Or as I put it earlier, does anyone believe that In Christ there is neither male nor female AND only men can be ordained in Christ?

Everyone believes all of these things, though they can seem irreconcilable. Authority does not help us, because authority also affirms each item. Anyone can exclude women from governance, and deny Mary is Queen. It takes a Catholic to try and reconcile those positions.
 
Funny, When I want a baptism in the parish, I call a woman. When I want to schedule any sacrament, I call a woman, the DRE is a woman, the REs are women, the RCIA coordinator is a woman, The Youth Minister is yep, you guessed it, a woman. If I want to invite a priest over for dinner… woman… If I want to schedule a confession… woman… Cantor, woman… Lead singer of the band… woman…
Pews… Full of women… Hmmmm But we have an oppressive male dominated Church… Oh ok…
 
Is the argument still raging?

Why?

The matter was settled - set in stone, in 33AD and reinforced in 1994AD. A quick read that no one seems interested in…

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02os.htm

For those who simply must have female clergy, the Episcopal communion waits with open arms. Heck, they’ll probably pick you up at your door.
 
Only the Teaching Authority of the Church can provide clear guidance, and it has. That some do not accept it is another issue.
 
Equal in dignity as both man and woman are created in the image of God. JP II wrote about man and woman as a “unity of two”.

Equal in value is about math like 5 is worth more than 4 so woman and man must both be worth 5.
 
I don’t know why you wrote this except to promote an agenda. “power that men have” That is all you’re saying. Everyone in the Church, including the Pope, is a servant. It’s not about power. Or status.
 
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I don’t know why you wrote this except to promote an agenda. “power that men have” That is all you’re saying. Everyone in the Church, including the Pope, is a servant. It’s not about power. Or status.
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Surely, there are some issues in the Church involving power and status. Otherwise, why would cardinals be considered to be “Princes of the Church”?
 
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That some do not accept it is another issue.
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Exactly! I am in full agreement.

The Church has spoken; Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Why do people not accept this, that a woman can have all the authority that a man has?
 
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