Feminisms effect on women

[August_AWeitzel]

What do you base this broad, sweeping assessment on? We all have personal stories to bring to the table. Yours appears to center on the difficult experiences of your grandmother and mother, both of whom had the difficult challenge of overcoming racism. My ancestral history is quite different from your’s, and not because we were affluent or elitist. If you do your homework, you will see that the early feminist movement was INDEED an elitist movement. It has never been about reaching the average woman. Still isn’t today - despite the pc rhetoric.

You may not say it, but ed was correct in his selection of quotes from the “mothers” of the feminist movement. One need only read the early books written by Frieden, Steinman, Robin Morgan, Andrea Dworkin, etc., to see that their intent was to “free” the woman from the “prison” of the family. How else to do that but demonize men and children? And guess what - they did a really great job!

You do realize that we have feminism to THANK for this? Prior to the sexual revolution, men would not have dared to treat women as they do today. But feminists were not happy with the idea of men doing things for them or treating them as though they were “pure and untouchable”. They wanted to get down in the dirt WITH the men. Another success, wouldn’t you say?

Do you mean like when you said this:

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How do you presume to speak for all women?

Let’s break this down using the facts.

Prior to the rise of militant feminism:
Divorce:
The American divorce rate today is more than twice that of 1960, but has declined slightly since hitting the highest point in our history in the early 1980s.
Pornography
1960 Playboy
2008 Porn available everywhere, including in the privacy of one’s home at the click of the mouse
Abortion
1960 Illegal
2009 4,000 per day in the US alone
Child Abuse
The rate of infant homicide reached a 30-year high in 2000.
The rate more than doubled from 4.3 homicides per 100,000 children under age one in 1970 to 9.1 per 100,000 children under age one in 2000.
Rape
1960 - 17,190
2006 - 92,455
disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Women should educate themselves about the real driving force behind the feminist “movement” before so quickly jumping to it’s defense.
disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

 

[August_AWeitzel]

I must live in the past, my lovely bride of 50 years just celebrated our years together. We have three beautiful grown girls and six grandchildren.
Our girls went to the same Catholic grade school as their mother, they gaduated from three different catholic high schools. The were married at the same catholic church as we were.
They are all professional working women supplementing their husbands income. They are great catholic families.
Are you speaking about a small minority of women who are trying to be as greedy and selfish as some men are?
I beleive that most Roman Catholic families are very loving and even at times holy.
Or did I miss the question?

 

[leftistdestroye]

August AWeitzel;3613983]

Women should vote

Wrong

should have paid leave to have a child.

Absolute BS

I don’t think they should abort a child, but that is their choice, even if it is a mortal sin for them.

Then let them do it. Why does it have to be protected by taxpayers? It is NOT their choice and it should NOT be tolerated anymore. They HAD their choice before they layed down and opened up! Then and there was their choice!

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3614055]

But the Church teaches that abortion is murder.

And It also teaches that Adam & Eve were not just an explanation, but were real.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Pope Gregory;3614191

Thats what I dont understand. How Catholic people who are professing Catholic support things like Abortion and vote for people like Hilliary Clinton. Are they so prideful that they think morals don’t apply to them anymore and that they are special? When I see demonic places like “Catholics” for a Free Choice, all I see is them just barking orders at the Pope and the Church as how THEY want the church to be. Personally I think Catholics who support things contrary to doctrine have a big problem with Pride and that they thing they are somehow special and that the Law of God dosen’t apply to them. These types almost make me almost more frustrated than the atheists do because they confuse people who are trying to learn more about what the Church really teaches and gives them a bad impression. Its makes us look like we Catholics don’t follow our church

Well, it is evil. Evil is winning, presently, with those people and our society and nation. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” They have been brainwashed by feminism/liberalism because nobody spoke up, told them not accept that, and nobody fought them. We turned over and exposed our bellies like we are doing now. But I, for one, am finished with that. I am gunna turn over and start to bite. And I urge more true Catholics to speak out, loud, unrepentantly, and relentlessly. God is on our side, we have NOTHING to be afraid of!

 

[leftistdestroye]

mom4truth;3614759]neat62:

I fully agree with your insert from Pope Gregory. These so-called Catholics are only "cafeteria"Catholics. Maybe they shouldn’t be Catholic at all.

Agreed. I don’t care if we go down to one, true to doctrine, Catholic left, but we cannot allow the hijacking of Catholicism. THAT, can be tolerated no more!

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3615244]

So…people who sin, can’t be catholic? If a person has an issue with sin, you shouldn’t encourage them to leave. That’s why my brother left. You make it sound like some sort of exclusive club that if you fail, you get kicked out.The point of the church is to get everyone to participate.

If they are demanding that the Church adapt to them, their wants, or society, then yes, they should be free to leave. And the point of Church, is to praise God. And by praising God, we accept His Word and Laws. We do not tell Him that we will only practice what we want to. And we are not making it sound like a club, that is how you take it. We are just fed up with these…new, Catholics, who condone abortion and such by lobbying for it or voting for people who sustain it. There is a difference between sinning, and not accepting or “picking” which doctrine to practice. A sin is a mistake or weakness, the other is deliberate.

 

[juliamajor]

Well, I think its pretty safe to say that when we see someone about to commit the sin of abortion, it will be okay for me to speak up.

As for being judged the same way…I do, indeed, hope Christ “judges” me as I judge others…of course, I know that His judgement will be far greater than mine could ever be…and of course, He alone has the power to condemn…so I am not afaid to do what I can to try to convince those around me and even strangers to not commit grevious sin.

I don’t pretend to be perfect, because I know that only Christ was…but I do what I can to follow the ALL the teachings that Christ gave to us…I would think that for one to consider themself as faithful, they woud try to do the same, wouldn’t you?

Try yes- succeed not always

 

[neat62]

Try yes- succeed not always

Well, isn’t it, then…our duty, if we truly love one another, to HELP each other succeed?

We are all called to be saints…although, of course, not all of us will attain that…it doesn’t mean that we all shouldn’t do what we can to get there…or help those around us get there too!

 

[juliamajor]

Yeah, by you. You can complain that women’s leadership is called “bitchiness” but you can not then turn around and deride men’s leadership as “dominant behavior”. Make up your mind.

OK, you are contradicting yourself on what is more “prevalent” but at least you agree then that it is not always the fault of a man if a woman files for divorce.

It’s well known by prosecutors. Have you been following the news lately? Heard about the Kobe Bryant “rape” case or the Duke “rape” case?

You see that is not a rational argument. That is only emotion speaking. You are assuming that the accused is in fact guilty. Whereas our system has a presumption of innocence. Sexual history is relevant because it goes to the credibility of the witness.

Her claim to having said no has less credibility in that case. Just like someone with a rap sheet a mile long for violent offenses is not going to be as credible if he claims self-defense in an assault or murder case.

Read the studies cited above.

Looking for children who suffer abuse/neglect in foster care is NOT a representative sample. How did they get into foster care in the first place? And just who did you interview to determine the mothers were “abandoned”?

And, this allegation mysteriously surfaces only during the divorce proceedings, whereas everything was supposedly just hunky-dory before then. If the abuse actually occurred, and the mother said nothing about until then, then she is also an unfit parent and both parents should lose custody.

Hardly. It’s well known in the divorce industry that she has much to gain and little to lose by making the accusation.

“Safety” should not be preferred to the expense of “justice”. To say otherwise is the absolute dream of totalitarians everywhere.

HAVE YOU BEEN RAPED? DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS?Unless you have I’d suggest you stop your 'women are always to blame crud.I know plenty of women and more especially young girls-who’ve never reported because of attitudes like your’s. You can quote all you’re"facts" as much as you want but unless you’ve lived it or lived with the results it you’ll never know what people who are raped go through or what there families have to see their kids suffer through.Highest rate of substance abuse,highest suicide rates in girls are the result of rape and molestation.Depression, Post traumatic stress syndrome are just the top of the iceberg for this devastating crime…What you think you know is not reality. I’ve in my lifetime met one person who spouse was murdered,2- who’ve been mugged and seven women who have been raped and NOT reported it but have suffered in silence. I pray you are someone you love NEVER has to go through it

 

[Dale_M]

And It also teaches that Adam & Eve were not just an explanation, but were real.

Indeed. But that doesn’t mean that God, in Genesis, wasn’t explaining why things were as they were.

 

[juliamajor]

Well, isn’t it, then…our duty, if we truly love one another, to HELP each other succeed?

We are all called to be saints…although, of course, not all of us will attain that…it doesn’t mean that we all shouldn’t do what we can to get there…or help those around us get there too!

• I’ve been doing my duty for a long time- most of it involves love, forgiveness and compassion. Through my students I have learned that the only true way to effect there lives is hesed-lovingkindness- a biblical virtue.Gently leading is better than berating and pushing. Jesus’ harshest words were for the Saducees,Pharisees& scribes- the ones in the know.The rest were told to"Go and sin no more". I’ve ssen people lives change wonderfully with Hesed but none with harsh words.

 

[neat62]

HAVE YOU BEEN RAPED? DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS?Unless you have I’d suggest you stop your 'women are always to blame crud.I know plenty of women and more especially young girls-who’ve never reported because of attitudes like your’s. You can quote all you’re"facts" as much as you want but unless you’ve lived it or lived with the results it you’ll never know what people who are raped go through or what there families have to see their kids suffer through.Highest rate of substance abuse,highest suicide rates in girls are the result of rape and molestation.Depression, Post traumatic stress syndrome are just the top of the iceberg for this devastating crime…What you think you know is not reality. I’ve in my lifetime met one person who spouse was murdered,2- who’ve been mugged and seven women who have been raped and NOT reported it but have suffered in silence. I pray you are someone you love NEVER has to go through it

Sorry…but again this is a bogus argument. I am a woman, one who was raped…and first off, its not the main cause of abortion…as it constitutes less than 1% of all abortions.

Secondly, many, many times, women yell “rape” when in fact, it was NOT. I am not saying that rape doesn’t happen, cause as you can see, I was a “victim” of it…but I DID report it because it was, simply the RIGHT thing to do…and NO ONE was going to intimidate me into doing otherwise.

If they “suffer” in silence its not because society hasn’t reached out to them…there are countless programs and social services to help those who have been victims…if they keep silent, its more than likely because they feel some sort of “guilt” for the rape…which of course, when someone is truly raped, they should not feel any such thing.

Finally, and the ulitimate point being…is that when one wrong occurs…it doesn’t constitute a remedy by committing another wrong!

 

[neat62]

• I’ve been doing my duty for a long time- most of it involves love, forgiveness and compassion. Through my students I have learned that the only true way to effect there lives is hesed-lovingkindness- a biblical virtue.Gently leading is better than berating and pushing. Jesus’ harshest words were for the Saducees,Pharisees& scribes- the ones in the know.The rest were told to"Go and sin no more". I’ve ssen people lives change wonderfully with Hesed but none with harsh words.

Well…good for you…but some of us have met and know others who only respond to “harsh” words. For instance, in my family, I have one brother who responds ONLY when spoken to in harsh words…it doesn’t mean that I don’t love him…in fact, it takes a great deal more courage and energy for me to talk to him then it would if I could just offer some fluffy words on a daily basis.

And finally…was Jesus not “harsh” when he overturned the tables and yelled at the merchants when they were insulting His Father by selling their goods at His temple?

 

[strngrnrth]

…if they keep silent, its more than likely because they feel some sort of “guilt” for the rape…which of course, when someone is truly raped, they should not feel any such thing.

No, I didn’t report because I didn’t understand that I had legal rights. This often applies to children, convicts, runaways, illegal immigrants, mental patients, slum/project residents and others.

 

[juliamajor]

Well…good for you…but some of us have met and know others who only respond to “harsh” words. For instance, in my family, I have one brother who responds ONLY when spoken to in harsh words…it doesn’t mean that I don’t love him…in fact, it takes a great deal more courage and energy for me to talk to him then it would if I could just offer some fluffy words on a daily basis.

And finally…was Jesus not “harsh” when he overturned the tables and yelled at the merchants when they were insulting His Father by selling their goods at His temple?/QUOThey weren’t just insulting God’s house the were cheating the people-which IS an insult to GOD’s House.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3617013]

Indeed. But that doesn’t mean that God, in Genesis, wasn’t explaining why things were as they were.

Right. But…
(advocating) If so, then who are we to alter God’s explanation by condoning feminism? He said this is the way it is, because Eve ate from the tree. This was all His plan. Who are we to alter His plan by condoning feminism?

 

[neat62]

No, I didn’t report because I didn’t understand that I had legal rights. This often applies to children, convicts, runaways, illegal immigrants, mental patients, slum/project residents and others.

Well, sorry that you weren’t aware of your rights, but I find it a silly argument to say that most people today do not either. Especially when we provide all sorts of government programs, social programs and reach out programs to educate…even children are “aware” of their rights today…because we provide all sorts of education on the matter via schools.

 

[neat62]

neat62;3617082:

Well…good for you…but some of us have met and know others who only respond to “harsh” words. For instance, in my family, I have one brother who responds ONLY when spoken to in harsh words…it doesn’t mean that I don’t love him…in fact, it takes a great deal more courage and energy for me to talk to him then it would if I could just offer some fluffy words on a daily basis.

And finally…was Jesus not “harsh” when he overturned the tables and yelled at the merchants when they were insulting His Father by selling their goods at His temple?[/QUOThey weren’t just insulting God’s house the were cheating the people-which IS an insult to GOD’s House.

And what do you think happens when society “cheats” the people out of the sanctity of family? Do you not think that God gets insulted? When we choose to put our “careers” before children…when we choose to divorce at will…when we choose to defy Him by cohabitating instead of marrying, etc.

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[juliamajor]

No, I didn’t report because I didn’t understand that I had legal rights. This often applies to children, convicts, runaways, illegal immigrants, mental patients, slum/project residents and others.

My daughter was 13 and almost had to be institutionalized for depression and PTSS- I’m glad she never ran - into the “compassionate conservatives” here.Lack of compassion and loving kindness were one of the mainstays of prophecy and continued with Jesus.I’ve seen women suffer terribly and hide their attack like it was some kinda of sin and not a crime- thanks to some of the thinking here. Just to make sure -I wasn’t getting on your case strngrnrth-I love to see smugness in the light of other people’s’pain.