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If they are demanding that the Church adapt to them, their wants, or society, then yes, they should be free to leave. And the point of Church, is to praise God. And by praising God, we accept His Word and Laws. We do not tell Him that we will only practice what we want to. And we are not making it sound like a club, that is how you take it. We are just fed up with these…new, Catholics, who condone abortion and such by lobbying for it or voting for people who sustain it. There is a difference between sinning, and not accepting or “picking” which doctrine to practice. ** A sin is a mistake or weakness, the other is deliberate./**QUOTE]
Wait…what? So if an abortion is deliberate it’s not a sin?
LOL No! Having an abortion is a sin. Being a pro choice Catholic is deliberate. It is thought out, rationalized, and accepted. Abortion is a sin, supporting it as a right, is deliberate.
Sin hasn’t necessarily increased in our society but when you make it acceptable, it is planned in advance to mitigate any consequences.
Sure it has. And the frequency of those consequences, proves it.
I know what you are trying to say which is that now people are planning to sin long before they commit it, as opposed to commiting it within a brief moment of weakness.
While that may very well be true(and it is), that was not my point. EX: A person who has premarital sex has sinned. Was weak. A Catholic who chooses to willingly engage in premarital sex, is deliberate. Basically, a Cafiteria Catholic, is what I meant.
Many women who actually grew up in the pre-feminist era admitted to having sex before marriage contrary to popular belief.
That is not contrary to popular belief. When we talk about the past, we mean that it was not accepted, as you have pointed out here somewhere. And it was not anywhere near as rampandt as it is today. (Same with drugs, for that matter.)
HOWEVER,The difference was that the person you fornicated with would usually end up being your spouse within a short period of time. But now the person you fornicate with, you will probably never see again and definetly not marry. Premarital sex was frowned upon by society true, but it doesn’t mean teenagers didn’t sneak and fool around ever. It was just more shameful to talk about. Also, it’s frequency was probably even lower. As opposed to engaging in planned fornication every week, young people may have engaged in such behavior on rare unplanned occassions like just one time the year before they got married.
LOL Ok, so we are parroting each other! LOL Cool. And many of us who have something to say about topics on these forums, actually do research before we spout out. We are well aware that “stuff” went on in the past, but we are also aware that it was nothing like today, and THAT, is what we are fighting. Me personally, compare then to today. See the differences, and try to bring some of the past back into society.
I think that’s what modern sex education actually means when they say “abstinence doesn’t work”. *Of course *it works BUT people are weak so if a person firmly decides not to have sex and they happen to experience a severe moment of weakness, they haven’t planned for it so the result ispregnancy
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That is what they mean, I agree. But where the sex ed people screw up, is that they do not realize that they are telling kids that it is ok, and even worse, that it is acceptable. With all the sex ed that has been going on, STD’s among teens is rising at a nasty rate. So apparently their method has failed. Girls fear a baby, more than an STD. AND, it is because that is what they are taught today.
Myself…I refuse to associate with the “feminist” movement in all ways…because I believe that we could simply call what you describe above as simply human rights. I don’t believe anyone should given priviledges or be ridiculed and denied access to education because they are male or female, color of their skin, ethnicity, etc.