Fifty Years of the Catholic Charismatic Movement: 1967-2017

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Lost4words said:
I am wary of the Charismatic movement. Seems a lot like what pentacostals do.

Do the Catholic group speak in tongues? Can they be interpreted?
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Conventional wisdom, conventional thinking is often backwards. Pentecostals are a lot like Charismatic Catholics.

Except for the Sacraments, a 2,000 year history, and everything else that they lack. God bless them for the good they do with so little!

A healthier, more realistic and honest way of looking at it.
 
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The guy didn’t read my posts. Sigh.

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is more about the renewal of one’s faith.

That is more important than tongue or other charismatic gifts which not everybody has.
 
Reuben_J said:
The guy didn’t read my posts. Sigh.

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is more about the renewal of one’s faith.

That is more important than tongue or other charismatic gifts which not everybody has.
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Never uttered a single syllable in a tongue. Not my charism. For the good of my soul, and to prevent even more pride than I currently suffer from, my charisms are quieter - even hidden from view.
 
Here’s a vid on how the Catholic Church caused the Holy Spirit to unleash on the earth in the 20th Century. Not the same vid as in my 1st post.

Watch “Exploring the Roots of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal” on YouTube

 
Fr. Cantalmessa, a Papal Preacher to the last three popes ( like us the Popes have someone to preach to them), was renewed himself.

He has this to say about his renewal and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal:

“Be careful. This Jesus you are choosing as your Lord is not an easy Jesus. Not a rose water Jesus. This is a crucified Jesus”

“The Charismatice Renewal was not something superficial and emotional - just a lifting of our arms to impress each other,

“I was convinced … Renewal goes straight to the heart of the Gospel, which is the cross of Jesus Christ!”

Without personal repentance there would be no renewal in a person concerned. Renewal calls for metanoia, to return back to the Lord.
 
EvangelistVictor said:
Many Latinos think Mary is the way to heaven to reach Jesus, but this is contrary to the Gospel. The renewal directs our lives back to Christ.
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I pretty much go along with what you had said but this is a surprise. Why such comment in a Charismatic Renewal thread? Baiting, it is I hope not.

Just for information, there are many prayer groups and charismatic communities that consecrate their groups/communities to the maternal care of Mary.

They do not teach that Mary is the way to heaven, which is a very Catholic teaching. She is the mother of the Lord and her role primarily is as an intercessor. She is very much part of Catholic spirituality, venerated and honoured in her right place. But why is this in a Charismatic Renewal thread?
 
EvangelistVictor said:
Many Latinos think Mary is the way to heaven to reach Jesus, but this is contrary to the Gospel.
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Um, this is not just a Latino thing. Are you not aware that Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, and that St. Maximilian Kolbe wrote that because with spouses, two become one, Mary is basically the Holy Spirit in human form, and she definitely leads us to Heaven?

It would be good if you didn’t make sola scriptura-type pronouncements about things that you don’t seem to understand. It would also be good if you didn’t just assume that Latinos are the only ones who love Mary, or you’re going to have some issues with Irish, Italians, Polish, Filipinos and probably a few more nationalities while you’re at it.

And finally, this does NOT belong in a thread about charismatics. Charismatic practice and love of Mary are hardly mutually exclusive. I would say at 4 out of 5 charismatic events I have been to in the last 6 months, Mary was very, VERY much present.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Are you not aware that Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, and that St. Maximilian Kolbe wrote that because with spouses, two become one, Mary is basically the Holy Spirit in human form, and she definitely leads us to Heaven
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Mary is basically the Holy Spirit in human form???,

Really??? WOW

Catholics really believe this, even the Pope???

You all agree with this???
 
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Here’s the link… “quasi-incarnation of the Holy Spirit” is, I believe, the term that was used.
Maybe my statement was a little too strong in not including the “quasi”, however, you get the idea.


Maximilian Kolbe is a saint. That means his writings were reviewed as part of the sainthood process to make sure they did not say anything that would undermine his heroic virtue to become a saint. Essentially, that he did not write anything contrary to the Church.

Longer analysis by Fr. Peter Damian Fehlner here, that gets into the past tradition of St. Bonaventure in relating the Holy Spirit to Mary. (It should be noted that the Mother of All Peoples site is promoting the idea of Mary as “co-redemptrix”, which is a bit controversial, but St. Maximilian did not write about that idea.)

www.motherofallpeoples.com

St. Maximilian Kolbe’s Pneumatological Titles of Mary

St. Maximilian Kolbe’s use of three titles—Complement of the Trinity, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and Created Immaculate Conception—are both Marian and pneumatological. This is the heart of his important contribution to the theological treatise on the Holy Spirit, and indeed may well be the heart...
www.motherofallpeoples.com www.motherofallpeoples.com

Here’s another analysis

Library : The Holy Spirit And Mary

The Holy Spirit And Mary Dwight Campbell explains St. Maximillian Kolbe's Marian theology, reflecting especially on the relationship between the Holy Spirit and the Blessed Virgin.
www.catholicculture.org www.catholicculture.org

The bottom line of all this is that you simply can’t divorce the idea of Mary from the idea of the Holy Spirit. She is the spouse of the Holy Spirit and leads people to Jesus. Those “Latinos” you criticize, and everybody else who believes in “Ad Jesum Per Mariam”, are not wrong.
 
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Well I’m Latino myself. But that belief goes way beyond acceptable doctrine and in NOT in the Creed. The Holy Spirit aim is to convict us of sin, and draw us to Christ, and live in us.
 
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A certain Catholic pro-life activist, one who will remain nameless for the purposes of this post, has expressed utter contempt for the Catholic charismatic movement as well as the concept of speaking in tongues. Said activist has described the Catholic charismatic movement as “very dangerous,” accusing it of incorporating “gnostic practices.” What should one say to this person? sigh 😫
 
Maxirad said:
A certain Catholic pro-life activist, one who will remain nameless for the purposes of this post, has expressed utter contempt for the Catholic charismatic movement as well as the concept of speaking in tongues. Said activist has described the Catholic charismatic movement as “very dangerous,” accusing it of incorporating “gnostic practices.” What should one say to this person? sigh 😫
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Ask him if he’s ever read the Book of Acts.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I’d speak in tongues to him just to see what he’d do
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He’d probably get angry. I can’t say for 100% certain, but he’s probably a “radical Catholic reactionary” (term coined by Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong).
 
Maxirad said:
He’d probably get angry. I can’t say for 100% certain, but he’s probably a “radical Catholic reactionary” (term coined by Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong).
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Even with Protestants, there’s groups that reject any gifts of the spirit saying they stopped with the last 12 Apostles.

Thankfully, we don’t serve a dead god, but a real life living God Jesus Christ that is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
 
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