"Filial correction"

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Well, I was a convert. I didn’t know any advisors. RCIA can really drop you off with nothing - basic sink or swim after that.
 
While that might be a good idea going on, this poster has been on for quite a while. CAF always had those claiming to be clergy to verify it with them privately. I would think that rule still might be enforced. I am reasonably confident this guy is who he claims to be.
 
It’s an older forum rule. The staff has reserved the right to ask religious professionals to verify their identity.
 
No, because the prevailing thought was “the priest is always right” and “don’t make waves”.
 
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It still is, for those who think Pope Francis can’t be wrong or questioned.
 
The pope is not God, and he is no absolute monarch who must be obeyed or must be considered right in all he says and does. Such views are not Catholic.
 
Or for those who admire any other member of the clergy who has a view similar to their own.
The Cafeteria is open.
 
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Joe_5859 said:
Here, it seems a group is wanting the pope to clarify what he means.
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I think what the Pope advocates is pretty clear. Fairly unclear is how he navigates to that position given existing moral principles (eg as per Veritatis Splendor).
 
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And that issue is for the Pastor of the souls in question to figure out, based on his understanding of the situation and Church law,
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Prior to AL, the fact of the situation (lack of annulment, living as husband and wife), was sufficient to apply the Law (no communion).

Since AL, we have discernment and an unspecified guideline for the parish priest to “follow”.
 
Rau said:
Prior to AL, the fact of the situation (lack of annulment, living as husband and wife), was sufficient to apply the Law (no communion).

Since AL, we have discernment and an unspecified guideline for the parish priest to “follow”.
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This is a point where I differ from some others that object to the teachings in AL. I can see some rare situations in which careful discernment, with the guidance of a Pastor, might indicate that the first marriage was indeed invalid despite lacking a tribunal ruling (or perhaps even contrary to the tribunal’s ruling). After prayerful consideration by the penitent and Pastor I can see where private reception of the Sacraments might be warranted in some of these cases.

If this was as far as it went, and the guidelines were carefully laid out, I would have no objections to AL. Instead we find ourselves in a situation where some Bishops take the pre-AL approach, some take the approach I just indicated, and some leave it entirely up to the “feelings” of the penitent and cut the priest out of the decision making. All three of these positions have been publicly put forward as “genuine interpretations” of AL. None have been publicly corrected, and I would argue that the third position is morally and spiritually dangerous and may arise from a heretical understanding of moral principles.

I want clarity, not because I reject AL outright, but because I believe the situation has shown that correction is necessary, and that the moral principles of the Faith are at risk. I would like to see the Pope take the wheel of the baque of Peter as appropriate, and I’m frustrated with his lack of guidance in this matter.

Peace and God bless!
 
Did you actually read the whole thing. My husband was heartbroken, and he was the “practicing” Catholic. When we met, I was a “cultural Catholic” with no attachment to any parish. I didn’t care one way or the other where we got married.

Was it a good thing to walk away, no, but tell me, you never did anything impulsive when you were young?

In hindsight and with the knowledge I have now, I would never let the actions or a priest drive me away. My 20 year old self was not as confident.
 
My only real problem with this is characterizing the Pope as a sympathizer with Martin Luther. It is a bizarre swipe, given previous outreach by Popes Benedict and John Paul II to the Lutherans…not to mention Vatican II and ecumenism and all that. Besides while I agree the Pope sympathizes with Luther, I actually think you could make a pretty good case he does not always understand him - I think both the former Popes did that more astutely. Pope Francis is more in line with the LWF. Other than that, I am ok with the correction. Give all this a year - in hindsight it will look prophetic. Traditionalists have an odd way of being right, whether you like it or not.
 
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Rau:
Prior to AL, the fact of the situation (lack of annulment, living as husband and wife), was sufficient to apply the Law (no communion).

Since AL, we have discernment and an unspecified guideline for the parish priest to “follow”.
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This is a point where I differ from some others that object to the teachings in AL. I can see some rare situations in which careful discernment, with the guidance of a Pastor, might indicate that the first marriage was indeed invalid despite lacking a tribunal ruling (or perhaps even contrary to the tribunal’s ruling). After prayerful consideration by the penitent and Pastor I can see where private reception of the Sacraments might be warranted in some of these cases.

If this was as far as it went, and the guidelines were carefully laid out, I would have no objections to AL. Instead we find ourselves in a situation where some Bishops take the pre-AL approach, some take the approach I just indicated, and some leave it entirely up to the “feelings” of the penitent and cut the priest out of the decision making. All three of these positions have been publicly put forward as “genuine interpretations” of AL. None have been publicly corrected, and I would argue that the third position is morally and spiritually dangerous and may arise from a heretical understanding of moral principles.

I want clarity, not because I reject AL outright, but because I believe the situation has shown that correction is necessary, and that the moral principles of the Faith are at risk. I would like to see the Pope take the wheel of the baque of Peter as appropriate, and I’m frustrated with his lack of guidance in this matter.

Peace and God bless!
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You initially say that pastoral guidance might lead to discovering that a first marriage may not be valid.

That process should already be practiced! Anyone thinking of divorce, or going through it, should seek their pastor’s knowledge (and everyone else they trust, along with Church Teaching).

No one can be considered by the Tribunal without a pastor’s support. How would they get that support without his working with the candidates?

Then you suggest “private reception of Sacraments”.

What is that?

Reconciliation should always be private, but Communion should not be (unless one is unable to make it to Mass).
 
Thank you sharing your situation. It was difficult to write, I am sure. I find personal experience is usually more informative to others than theory from the text book, though there is a place for that too. Catholicism is an incarnational religion; the Faith has to be lived out in real life.

I am grateful you shed a light on some parts of the Church, and the Faith.
 
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