First case of Ebola in the US

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Thought the President said there was a slim chance of it coming here while hob-nobbing with his elitist Hollywood buddies.
As you might know, the president does not have a scientific degree - he depends for advice on the same people who do not appear to have advises the use of “full body protection” and “the buddy system” for healthcare workers tending to Ebola patients.
 
It probably has not been around for a long time but a doctor should be humble and work for people not have people work for them.Somebody at Presby hospital messed. It could of been the CEO or a MD but somebody dropped the ball.

The CDC needs to be tougher and not say we recommend this, say this has to be done and that’s it. Things can get out of control quickly.
I think it was discovered in the 70’s or 80’s. - plenty of time for anyone in the medical field to know what they are dealing with.
 
Looks like the nurse has more brains than the folks in the CDC.

Ebola nurse got CDC OK for Cleveland trip

*DALLAS — The second Dallas nurse diagnosed with Ebola shouldn’t have traveled on a commercial flight due to her exposure to the virus prior to her diagnosis, said Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But the CDC has now confirmed that it gave Amber Vinson permission to make a trip to Cleveland.

…It was later confirmed that the CDC gave Vinson permission to get on the plane because she was showing no other symptoms of the virus, and her temperature didn’t reach the threshold of 100.4 degrees.

wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/15/second-dallas-hospital-worker-diagnosed-ebola/17290677/*
 
“I want to use myself as an example, just so people have a since (sense) of the science here: I shook hands with, hugged and kissed, not just the doctors, but a couple of the nurses at Emory (hospital in Atlanta) because of the valiant work they did,” said Obama. “And I felt perfectly safe in doing so.”
nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/obama-seeks-ease-fears-over-u-s-ebola-epidemic-n226716

I would feel more assured and safer if he demonstrated all that on a nurse or doctor in Liberia.:rolleyes:
 
I think that everyone concerned bears some responsibility for this situation. First Duncan, for flying after his exposure, next the hospital for being woefully unprepared, the city and state authorities for seemingly planning on the fly, and the CDC for not having a mechanism for assessing preparedness of health facilities before any Ebola case got here, at the very least since the first patients were transported back from Liberia.

Health personnel and the public are not free of responsibility either: thousands of people dying from a disease - some literally breathing their last breath on the roadsides - and we just live life as usual, concerned with our busy lives and trivial pursuits. How could we ALL not be familiar now with the “whole body” protective gear and dressing/undressing rituals being used in Liberia? A major disaster happens and we all are stuck to the TV - what happened with Ebola? Is there a level of disengagement that we are now paying for?

The nurses union spokespeople got angry when it seemed nurses were being blamed, but where was the union to ensure that *before *any cases occurred, their members had the same level of protection that the WHO and MSF is facilitating for Liberian nurses? Where were the city’s disaster preparedness personnel and what were they doing before the need for decontamination of homes and waste disposal arose?

Ebola has been raging for MONTHS in a country where people travel to and from everyday, at the very least, there should have been preparation for the inevitable spread of this disease. It’s all well and good for the media to bash the CDC, but their own personnel have witnessed (and some have actually experienced) standard protective procedures and their use, so why no investigative reporting on what protection is or is not being made available here? Now some are asking for a czar? One czar! Whatever happened to planning, collaboration and personal responsibility?

Overconfidence and lack of preparation… An “F” to just about everyone who could have helped make the Ebola response a success. But now there is at least the hope that we’ll have learned what is lacking.
Great post. They won’t halt flights and now Ebola is truly a global problem. It is only going to get worse until we restrict travel and get things under control in W Africa. All I can say regarding the CDC is to take their statements as you would from an attorney. They are walking a fine line between educating the masses and preventing panic. Of course none of that excuses Obama from his reckless bus comment.

**Europe’s Hidden Ebola Cases
**
*ROME, Italy — If you were surprised to hear the news that a Sudanese United Nations worker died of the deadly Ebola virus in a Berlin hospital on Tuesday, you might be even more surprised to learn just how many Ebola patients there are elsewhere in Europe.

The World Health Organization maintains that there are eight confirmed cases of the deadly virus in Europe tied to the current outbreak: two dead missionaries in Spain, one dead doctor in Germany, one cured man and one doctor in treatment in Germany, two tropical disease doctors in treatment in Holland and a Spanish nurse, Teresa Romero Ramos, under treatment in Spain. Romero Ramos contracted the virus from one of the dead Spanish missionaries. There are also at least a dozen or more suspect cases scattered around European hospitals that may or may not evolve into the full-blown virus.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/europe-s-problematic-ebola-patients.html*
 
Looks like the nurse has more brains than the folks in the CDC.

Ebola nurse got CDC OK for Cleveland trip

*DALLAS — The second Dallas nurse diagnosed with Ebola shouldn’t have traveled on a commercial flight due to her exposure to the virus prior to her diagnosis, said Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But the CDC has now confirmed that it gave Amber Vinson permission to make a trip to Cleveland.

…It was later confirmed that the CDC gave Vinson permission to get on the plane because she was showing no other symptoms of the virus, and her temperature didn’t reach the threshold of 100.4 degrees.

wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/15/second-dallas-hospital-worker-diagnosed-ebola/17290677/*
I had read people posting about this in yahoo and cnn but people would ask cite your source. The CDC keeps dropping the ball.
 
I think it was discovered in the 70’s or 80’s. - plenty of time for anyone in the medical field to know what they are dealing with.
1976, at the time the pharmaceutical companies new there was not enough money to be made from peoples misery, now they do !
 
:confused::confused: How? How did the CDC give her permission to fly? So what if her temp wasn’t 100.4? What kind of quarantine is flying out of state? Meanwhile, where are all the other staff members, the people the patient zero came in contact with and so on? Has the CDC completely lost contact with them, having given travel permission to anyone who didn’t have a fever? I feel like I am reading a trash novel, not the news. This can’t possibly be really happening.
 
:confused::confused: How? How did the CDC give her permission to fly? So what if her temp wasn’t 100.4? What kind of quarantine is flying out of state? Meanwhile, where are all the other staff members, the people the patient zero came in contact with and so on? Has the CDC completely lost contact with them, having given travel permission to anyone who didn’t have a fever? I feel like I am reading a trash novel, not the news. This can’t possibly be really happening.
It is almost like they want people to get sick.
If any public gets sick from this nurse travelling the CDC or whoever gave her permission to travel should be fired!

This is totally absurd!
 
I had read people posting about this in yahoo and cnn but people would ask cite your source. The CDC keeps dropping the ball.
Not only did she call the CDC, but she called several times.

*The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that Vinson called the agency several times before flying, saying that she had a fever with a temperature of 99.5 degrees. But because her fever wasn’t 100.4 degrees or higher, she didn’t officially fall into the group of “high risk” and was allowed to fly.

cbsnews.com/news/ebola-nurse-called-cdc-several-times/*
 
It is almost like they want people to get sick.
If any public gets sick from this nurse travelling the CDC or whoever gave her permission to travel should be fired!

This is totally absurd!
The person who answered the phone was most likely not a scientist/physician and was probably going by the pamphlet he/she had been given. The head of the CDC should step down. I would love to hear what the top researchers of the Army Military Infectious Disease Program have to say about this.
 
Frieden absolutely needs to go. And of course they should have told her not to fly! with a fever of 99.5? even if she had no fever they should have erred on the side of caution and told all of the health care workers that had contact with Duncan not to fly or travel until they were in the clear-30 days out to be on the safe side.
We haven’t been told why she needed to travel but even if she didn’t have symptoms when she went to Cleveland she could have developed them while there and now we have even more people that have been exposed!! In another city yet.
You know I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s almost like they want it to spread.
Either that or we’re dealing with gross incompetency here.
I mean cut me a massive break-
call to CDC: " Hi I have a fever of 99.5 and I’m the nurse who cared for Thomas Duncan and yeah I know another nurse got sick but can I get on a plane and fly/"
CDC -“Yeah sure go right ahead!!”
 
Not only did she call the CDC, but she called several times.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that Vinson called the agency several times before flying, saying that she had a fever with a temperature of 99.5 degrees. But because her fever wasn’t 100.4 degrees or higher, she didn’t officially fall into the group of “high risk” and was allowed to fly.

cbsnews.com/news/ebola-nurse-called-cdc-several-times/
My mom and I were discussing the fever threshold the CDC has, and my thought was that everyone’s “normal” body temperature is different. For me, 99.5 is borderline low-grade fever, but for my dad, a 99.5 temp is about 3 degrees above his normal and he knows he is sick. So the guidelines for a fever related to Ebola seem to be a bit murky to me, knowing what I do about what is considered feverish for me compared to my dad.

And how the heck did her working with Duncan not automatically put her at “high risk?” What is considered “high risk” if she wasn’t?!?
 
The person who answered the phone was most likely not a scientist/physician and was probably going by the pamphlet he/she had been given. The head of the CDC should step down. I would love to hear what the top researchers of the Army Military Infectious Disease Program have to say about this.
Good point! The military infectious disease program is probably wishing they could speak the truth.

I heard the nurse had flown to cleveland to work on her upcoming wedding. She herself should have known she shouldn’t fly without having to call the CDC for permission.

I watched tom frieden on the kelly file last night on Fox.
A 3rd grader could have given smarter answers than he did.

I have as much confidence in tom frieden as I do susan rice.
The people in this administration are really bad liars.
What an insult to the american people. I hope they are not translating his interviews internationally. We would be a laughingstock to the rest of the world!
 
My mom and I were discussing the fever threshold the CDC has, and my thought was that everyone’s “normal” body temperature is different. For me, 99.5 is borderline low-grade fever, but for my dad, a 99.5 temp is about 3 degrees above his normal and he knows he is sick. So the guidelines for a fever related to Ebola seem to be a bit murky to me, knowing what I do about what is considered feverish for me compared to my dad.

And how the heck did her working with Duncan not automatically put her at “high risk?” What is considered “high risk” if she wasn’t?!?
That’s a good point to bring up. Every student learns that in medical school. It’s common knowlege that 98.6 is just the average for “normal”, but there is a spectrum. The CDC isn’t stupid and they know an ebola contact who is reporting an anomaly in their temperature is definitely a red flag. I can’t go there yet and say this is being done deliberately, but I will say this looks like just another example of how large govt agencies are inefficient at getting things done. You won’t be hearing the term, “high risk” much as that might break the illusion that you can’t get this from sitting next to an ebola victim on a bus.
 
Good point! The military infectious disease program is probably wishing they could speak the truth.

I heard the nurse had flown to cleveland to work on her upcoming wedding. She herself should have known she shouldn’t fly without having to call the CDC for permission.

I watched tom frieden on the kelly file last night on Fox.
A 3rd grader could have given smarter answers than he did.

I have as much confidence in tom frieden as I do susan rice.
The people in this administration are really bad liars.
What an insult to the american people. I hope they are not translating his interviews internationally. We would be a laughingstock to the rest of the world!
I can only speculate as to how or who is doing the monitoring of the contacts, but I would hope they have all been given a private number linked to physicians who specialize in infectious diseases so they can properly advise them. Had that been available to the nurse I seriously doubt she would have been cleared to fly. I agree that she shouldn’t have been allowed to fly at all even without symptoms. The number of potential carriers has gotten out of hand.

I don’t care if they have to wear ankle monitors, this chain has to stop.
 
The number of potential carriers has gotten out of hand.

I don’t care if they have to wear ankle monitors, this chain has to stop.
Arent they monitoring like over 200 people already and this is after just one guy managed to get in?

What happens after we have a thousand such people come into the country?

We need to do more to keep infected people out of the country, but that is not politically correct and so we will have thousands enter with Ebola within the next year if WHO is to be believed…
 
I think I’m hearing Canada and other countries is restricting who enters there country but oh no, we have to be different.
 
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