First case of Ebola in the US

[jen_fla]

This is a sad situation. I feel bad for that nurse.

She should not be blamed for her own infection. With certainty, the blame rests with another individual for bringing the virus into the country in the first place. We should have closed our borders to all who had traveled through an Ebola country YESTERDAY.

The virus can be transmitted airborne. I will not change my tune on this. Watch, though, when the CDC can no longer support their lie of “it’s not airborne”, they will cover themselves by saying, “oh, look, the viruses mutated and now it’s airborne”. Wait for it, it’s coming. And no, the virus does not have to mutate to be transmitted through the air. It is that way already.

Furthermore - where are the 4 people who were living in the apartment and moved to a “donated house in a gated community”? Has anyone seen or heard from them? I don’t see how they could not have been infected. I wonder if they are really in a house somewhere, or if they’ve been taken to a secret government facility so their infections could be hushed up or prevented somehow to prevent a panic.

I’m not nuts, I don’t think (well, maybe I am, a little) but I’ve done a ton of reading on bioweapons development and scientific discovery regarding pathogenic microbes. I’ve been asked to give a talk on Ebola at my college, but I told them I cannot spout the party line that it’s not transmitted through the air. It’s not an airborne virus in the traditional sense, but you can get it from aerosolized body fluids.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen more cases, and I want to know what is going on with those 4 people who shared the apartment with him. Last I read they were grieving his loss, but that they didn’t have tv or internet access. Suspicious, since I can’t think of any McMansion in a gated community that does NOT have a satellite dish or cable. It’s as if these people have been disappeared, and any contact with the outside world has been cut off. Has anyone heard anything more about them?

I would think it’s very unlikely they are in a gated community… or at least not the type of gated community one would think of. They are probably in the military facility, “the slammer” or some type of CDC equivalent.

*In planning for USAMRIID (established in 1969), the decision was made to include a maximum containment (now termed BSL-4) capability to care for 2 personnel who may have been exposed to a biologic agent. This MCS would also be available for managing occupational exposures at USAMRIID or other government agencies to diseases requiring containment (R. McKinney, pers. comm.).

The 1,288-square-foot MCS includes 2 patient rooms and a treatment room and is equipped for intensive care monitoring, ventilator use, and teleradiology capability. It has an independent ventilation system and a chemical shower for decontaminating caregivers’ encapsulating suits (identical to those worn in the BSL-4 laboratories), and it is isolated from adjacent areas by doors fitted with airtight gaskets. This latter feature earned the facility the moniker “the slammer,” which was popularized in the book The Hot Zone (6).

The MCS is staffed by USAMRIID personnel, with augmentation and specialized care provided by nearby medical center staff, who serve on a medical augmentation team (7). Passage of consumables and supplies in and out of the suite occurs through 3 conduits: a double-door autoclave, an ultraviolet light passbox, and a disinfectant dunk tank, which enables decontamination and transport of specimens to external areas within the facility for laboratory analysis. The MCS is maintained under negative pressure. Air undergoes HEPA filtration upon entry to and exit from the facility. The septic system links into USAMRIID’s laboratory sewer system, which undergoes steam sterilization.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600302/*

While the hospitals in Spain and Dallas might have the proper biohazard gear, I somehow doubt they have decontaminating showers.

I’m right there with you in saying that this is airborne even if technically the proper term is aerosolized. It’s still considered “airborne” to the poor people who become infected. Meanwhile we have Obama telling us you can’t catch it from sitting next to someone on a bus. You think he’d ever sit down next to a Ratso Rizzo of today?

 

[sallybutler]

I would have expected it sooner too. I’m surprised that those who can afford a ticket haven’t already come, especially after the recovery of the doctors brought back from Africa. An epidemic in your own country, successful treatment in the USA, enough money for a ticket and knowing someone “over there” can be powerful motivators especially combined with fear and the instinct to survive.

I was also wondering why protocols had not already been put in place, why so many nurses still haven’t been trained and all I can come up with is that they (CDC, Obama, etc.) really believed it wasn’t coming here … (the other scenario is too horrible to contemplate) and honestly I’m flabbergasted bc I always thought they knew they were lying! Now its looking as if they are just stupid? But how can they rise to such positions of power by being stupid? And I find myself at the … (scenario that’s too horrible to contemplate) … again.

The CDC published a protocol in 2007 titled 2007 Guideline for Isolation Precautions: Preventing Transmission of Infectious Agents in Healthcare Settings. Anyone that watches television knows about ebola, even if they aren’t in health care.

The CDC can publish all the documents they want, issue warnings about hot zones, provide vaccines, etc. If individuals and organizations do not take advantage of the information provided to them, that doesn’t mean that the CDC employees are the stupid ones.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

The CDC published a protocol in 2007 titled 2007 Guideline for Isolation Precautions: Preventing Transmission of Infectious Agents in Healthcare Settings. Anyone that watches television knows about ebola, even if they aren’t in health care.

The CDC can publish all the documents they want, issue warnings about hot zones, provide vaccines, etc. If individuals and organizations do not take advantage of the information provided to them, that doesn’t mean that the CDC employees are the stupid ones.

The CDC and employees are wise in their recommendations; but their recomendations are impractical. We are hubris if we think we can manage any disease. Sure, we can lessen the impact of disease and the spreading of diseases but we cannot stop an epidemic if one is due.

Rather than focusing on what one branch of government can do, we need to build up the other parts of government to deal with pandemic issues (sickness, weather, wars, ect). Let’s say Ebola starts running rampant. What will happen to commerce? Well, medical facilities will be overwhelmed, labor sectors will have a shortage if workers, delivery of goods will decrease because of less workers, shortages of food, shortages of energy, and a hault of the economy will be a real possibility. So, I don’t care what the CDC is doing to prevent the sickness from spreading, I am concerned with what our government leaders are doing to promote commerse during times of extraordinary times. If it’s any like what happened with hurricane Katrina I’m frightened!

 

[RGCheek]

The virus can be transmitted airborne. I will not change my tune on this. Watch, though, when the CDC can no longer support their lie of “it’s not airborne”, they will cover themselves by saying, “oh, look, the viruses mutated and now it’s airborne”. Wait for it, it’s coming. And no, the virus does not have to mutate to be transmitted through the air. It is that way already.

Agreed, and it is stunning how many people refuse to read the materials that indicate this or actually think for themselves.

Why shouldn’t we operate under the assumption till proven otherwise, that Ebola spreads in a fashion similar to the flu? Both are viruses and both can live outside the body, which would seem to suggest that it does not require direct contact between a pair of infected and noninfected persons.

Furthermore - where are the 4 people who were living in the apartment and moved to a “donated house in a gated community”? Has anyone seen or heard from them? I don’t see how they could not have been infected. I wonder if they are really in a house somewhere, or if they’ve been taken to a secret government facility so their infections could be hushed up or prevented somehow to prevent a panic.

An interesting angle; where are these people?

I’m not nuts, I don’t think (well, maybe I am, a little) but I’ve done a ton of reading on bioweapons development and scientific discovery regarding pathogenic microbes. I’ve been asked to give a talk on Ebola at my college, but I told them I cannot spout the party line that it’s not transmitted through the air. It’s not an airborne virus in the traditional sense, but you can get it from aerosolized body fluids.

It is an amazing quibble to my eyes.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen more cases, and I want to know what is going on with those 4 people who shared the apartment with him. Last I read they were grieving his loss, but that they didn’t have tv or internet access. Suspicious, since I can’t think of any McMansion in a gated community that does NOT have a satellite dish or cable. It’s as if these people have been disappeared, and any contact with the outside world has been cut off. Has anyone heard anything more about them?

Well, maybe we should discuss this question about how much it has spread in a few months?

 

[Beautiful]

Can my pet’s body, fur, or paws spread Ebola to a person?
We do not yet know whether or not a pet’s body, paws, or fur can pick up and spread Ebola to people or other animals.

cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas-pets.html

Ask a stupid question and get a stupid, false easy for some to swallow answer? Is that the game CDC is playing?

 

[Beautiful]

Can my pet’s body, fur, or paws spread Ebola to a person?
We do not yet know whether or not a pet’s body, paws, or fur can pick up and spread Ebola to people or other animals.
cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas-pets.html

Furthermore
I am publicly contradicting this answer from the CDC.

If someone has ebola and owns a pet, the pet’s body, paws and fur can pick up the virus and spread it to people, other animals and objects.

 

[RACJ]

I’ve been thinking about this poor woman all day. The interwebs are full of commentary about how she could have gotten ill, and many people are saying she must have made a mistake with her hazmat suit and therefore gotten herself infected. I think that’s unlikely, for a couple of reasons. A hospital nurse in intensive care definitely knows how to handle her personal protective equipment. In this situation she would have been especially careful. It’s cruel for strangers to basically be saying, she did it to herself. Something happens with this virus when it is at the peak in the patient- super infectious perhaps? I pray she is able to be treated.

It’s loathesome for this liar or incompetent Frieden to assign blame to this victiom without proof. We can be nearly certain that the virus was not transmitted by blood, despite what Obama and Frieden have been saying.
We are not controlling our borders, and we have not imposed travel bans on West African nations. If this virus spreads as rapidly as some physicians predict, Obama will go down as one of the great monsters of history. But hey, has he lowered his handicap? What else could be concerning him?

 

[7_Sorrows]

I think the director of the CDC should step down.

 

[jen_fla]

Some Ebola-Stricken African Families Pay Bribes for Fake Death Records
Officials Say Practice Imperils Effort to Combat Outbreak

*Andrew Medina-Marino, an epidemiologist at South Africa’s University of Pretoria who was recently in Liberia helping with the Ebola response, said he had received reports of people paying bribes to Ebola-response teams so they would look the other way while they washed and buried the bodies. Those bribes contributed to the challenges of containing the epidemic that has killed more than 4,000 people.

online.wsj.com/articles/some-ebola-stricken-african-families-pay-bribes-for-fake-death-records-1413153854*

So a family gets to practice their traditions at the expense of possibly wiping out their entire neighborhood? What an example of ignorance and/or selfishness. There are consequences to ignoring the Golden Rule.

 

[savedbygrace71]

Some Ebola-Stricken African Families Pay Bribes for Fake Death Records
Officials Say Practice Imperils Effort to Combat Outbreak

*Andrew Medina-Marino, an epidemiologist at South Africa’s University of Pretoria who was recently in Liberia helping with the Ebola response, said he had received reports of people paying bribes to Ebola-response teams so they would look the other way while they washed and buried the bodies. Those bribes contributed to the challenges of containing the epidemic that has killed more than 4,000 people.

online.wsj.com/articles/some-ebola-stricken-african-families-pay-bribes-for-fake-death-records-1413153854*

So a family gets to practice their traditions at the expense of possibly wiping out their entire neighborhood? What an example of ignorance and/or selfishness. There are consequences to ignoring the Golden Rule.

I can’t view the whole article since I’m not a wsj subscriber, but I think the quote probably summarizes it. What I can’t believe is that the families still want to do the traditional burials at their own peril. Someone, somewhere must be able to reach out without intimidating them, to help them understand that the bodies have to be handled differently. I’m sure it feels like a sacrilege to them, how heartbreaking but something has to change.

 

[Path_Finder]

Texas Health Services reports a 2nd health worker has tested positive for the disease according to Breitbart.

breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_ab3cd5a9b32c450aa5a13e1a4a14c60e

 

[7_Sorrows]

That is not good news!

 

[MugenOne]

Hopefully, they are going to viral those nurses out with blood transfusion from survivals.

 

[Beautiful]

John Hopkins University offers this video to help better understand the impact of a pandemic on a nation. Even though the year was 1918, I foresee little variation to the problems we would face today.
youtube.com/watch?v=tpzxNoLZx0w

Video title Hospitals “Full-Up” The 1918 Influenza Pandemic

 

[chero23]

I heard this morning in CNN that apparently the nurses that took care of Mr. Duncan also cared for other patients. I work at a hospital and I see a lot of people with big heads b/c they are doctors and nurses. They feel superior to others. I think this is a moment to be smart not confident. Confidence let us into this situation.

I posted this before, but I remember when Mr. Duncan was diagnosed with Ebola, there was a press conference. The county judge and mayor were smiling telling people not to worry, this morning when I saw the news on CNN the same people had a panicked look on their face.

 

[7_Sorrows]

The 2nd health care worker sick flew round trip dallas to cleveland over the weekend.

 

[Path_Finder]

The 2nd health care worker sick flew round trip dallas to cleveland over the weekend.

This is not an official medical opinion, I don’t know if this is true, disclaimer.

It’s sad, it seems to me, once someone gets ebola, even if they recover, they will still have the virus in them. I don’t know. I hope this doesn’t prevent this young nurse from ever having children or something. In this way, I guess with HIV, once you have it, you always have it.

 

[jen_fla]

The 2nd health care worker sick flew round trip dallas to cleveland over the weekend.

They are saying she showed symptoms the day after she flew.

dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

I was taught that a person can be contageous with a cold virus two days before showing symptoms and one day with the flu. This is one fact the CDC has been consistent about in regards to Ebola is that you can’t spread it until you have symptoms. It is a gray area, as Tiger Kitty mentioned earlier, it’s not like a switch flips on, so there is still much to learn. If no one on that flight becomes ill, then I will accept the CDCs statement with confidence.

 

[7_Sorrows]

This is not an official medical opinion, I don’t know if this is true, disclaimer.

It’s sad, it seems to me, once someone gets ebola, even if they recover, they will still have the virus in them. I don’t know. I hope this doesn’t prevent this young nurse from ever having children or something. In this way, I guess with HIV, once you have it, you always have it.

CDC says 2nd nurse should not have travelled.

 

[jen_fla]

This is not an official medical opinion, I don’t know if this is true, disclaimer.

It’s sad, it seems to me, once someone gets ebola, even if they recover, they will still have the virus in them. I don’t know. I hope this doesn’t prevent this young nurse from ever having children or something. In this way, I guess with HIV, once you have it, you always have it.

*People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/*

Beyond this point they can’t detect the virus, so I think that means the body cleared it out. I don’t think it lies dormant where you will always test positive, but I’m not sure. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can post.