First case of Ebola in the US

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We see about 36,000 deaths in the United States per year for the flu. The CDC estimates that, at most, 20% of the U.S. population becomes infected with the flu virus every year (about 63.6 million people). That comes out to a mortality rate of .05%. If 63 million cases of influenza every year with a mortality rate of 0.05% doesn’t scare people into grounding flights and quarantining people then I don’t see why 3 cases of Ebola with a mortality rate of 0% should. 🤷
Well, I think your points are level, I would only suggest a couple points to consider. I’m not positive flights ought to be grounded coming from the area yet. There are Congress members asking why they are not though, such as Rand Paul. The response and push back is they see no reason “yet” as the “precautions” are in place.

This patient in Dallas flew to Brussels, DC, then to Dallas, at home he came into contact with at least 20 people “positively” in his own family including 5-children and a couple elders. They are “now” in a complete rush searching for everyone of them. Now, today also a case is being checked in Hawaii, who was in Africa and is symptomatic. In Africa its not just being a dirty place, its a failure to stick religiously to the precautions. The issue in Dallas same thing. failure to abide by the precautions. In fact they were ignored and frankly you have to wonder just how ready the USA is for this. The CDC reported there is absolutely zero chance of anyone on the flights contracting the disease. But the non re-active to reactive to infectious area is an observed theory, not a fact, we can’t p(name removed by moderator)oint the time the virus turns reactive and contagious. Further the mortality rate rests on the precautions which they failed at in Africa and we failed with here so far with protocall and procedure in Dallas.

A zero mortality rate depends on what we already failed to do. So the next phase is aggressive consistent treatment. We are counting now on our ability to aggressively treat and educate people, and more importantly that people are intelligent enough and cautious enough to actually apply the knowledge we do have, so far thats not true.

However consider HIV, we literally send vans to the streets in NYC to freely hand out precaution and medical information kits, then consider how many just ignore this. And if the medical area does what they did in Dallas, we have a issue. And further when and if this gets out of hand the quality of the aggressive and consistent treatment becomes quantity and quality suffers.

So we have a few issues at hand. The idea its not infectious till we literally know someone is sick is a boundary we cannot p(name removed by moderator)oint. We don’t know the moment someone is actually sick. It certainly not “when they know by self diagnosed symptoms”

Further since the Ebola symptoms cross reference other not fatal virus’s, then we would be checking and testing everyone with the Flu for Ebola. Again here quality is subjected to quantity.

Today if we were to honestly ask at this moment; Are we ready in the USA for Ebola, we would have to say no.

To me its not a matter of panic, its a matter of application of cautious procedure and religious application. Just saying.

Theoretically we are ready but not in practical application and country wide communication. And medical disaster funding was cut 50% in the states.
 
I just finished watching public television 10pm news. The CDC director Friedan spoke about flights in and out of the infected area. He said that paradoxically, grounding flights, restricting or isolating would cause people to try all the harder to leave the country hence spreading the virus faster and further.
Again

From last evening’s 10pm public TV news

sorry I do not have a link reference to provide
 
I can write 6000 words on the CDC directors thinking, in short I would compare him to the recently fired secret service director.

An analogy would be lets not stop terrorists from using the airlines because they will attempt to come even harder.
 
Now all the medial response ambulance team is being quarantined which are “healthy” non symptomatic individuals. And these are individuals who understand the precautions of this almost impossible to catch virus. 🤷

We don’t have a need or the funding to do this especially on top of all of todays chaos. Its just not smart thinking or very logical.
 
How do we have on one hand people saying it’s incredibly contagious and on the other you saying it’s almost impossible to catch? Really, which is it?
 
I’ve always found the panic surrounding this to be strange. Tens of thousands of people in the United States die of the flu every year, but no one ever talks about quarantine or grounding planes. 🤷
AIDS was the same way. Ebola is scary and made more scary in the media. It sells. It is a virus and can be fought like other viruses. It kills more often. It is not easily spread.

Nigeria is one of the more competent governments in West Africa. They are handling the outbreak well.

nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-outbreak-in-nigeria-appears-to-be-over.html?_r=0

vanguardngr.com/2014/10/us-sends-medical-experts-study-nigeria-tamed-ebola/

They started with one index case (an American, by the way) and are down to the last two cases.
US health officials are expected in Nigeria which it claimed had the best practices in combating Ebola Virus disease which entered into Nigeria through Liberian born American citizen Mr. Patrick Sawyer whose index case was reported on July 20, 2014. Nigeria is expected to officially announce today that the remaining two potential Ebola patients will exit the 21-day observation period
Ebola doesn’t make my top ten health concerns. I have far more realistic worries.
 
Donald Trump way back in early August was calling for severe measures against ebola to keep it out of the USA.
Donald Trump Says Ebola Doctors ‘Must Suffer The Consequences’
The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!
Here we go! I stated long ago that we should cancel all flights from West Africa. Now we have Ebola in U.S., AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE!
 
The problem with HIV or Hep is the reactive non-reactive window. You can contract HIV and or Hep C and they may never become reactive. When and if they become reactive then the virus escalates. With Ebola thats not true, you catch the virus or you don’t and its always reactive. The issue is its not contagious till the virus is symptomatic. But you won’t know its symptomatic until after its symptomatic. Thats the difference in the comparison, so its immediate interevention and the same complete follow up we see in Dallas. I don’t see where we are ready for that and its implications already mentioned. Look at the first go around. We dropped the ball already…fumbled… first play of the game too.

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NBC’s Doctor Nancy Snyderman walks and talks in “the belly of the beast”.
nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-stalks-streets-hard-hit-monrovia-liberia-n216516

I am surprised to see her with loose wisps of hair falling in front of her eyes…actually sweeping them away with her bare hands as she walks through a temperature checkpoint.
She is wearing bands of something on both wrists. Medical care workers know how germs can settle under jewelry and such.
Germ a phoebe here?
Not really
Just sensible
 
DR. THOMAS FRIEDEN: Well, First off, months ago, we recommended that Americans restrict nonessential travel.
But, paradoxically, if we were to isolate the country from others, that’s actually going to increase risk to the rest of the world. You have to think it through for a minute. To get there, you have to fly. To fly, you have to have airlines going and coming back. If people there feel that they’re isolated from the rest of the world, they will leave more.
So, both within countries and between countries, if we try to seal borders, we’re going to do more harm than good. We’re going to spread the disease more than we stop spread of it. This is something that’s very important to understand. It’s crucial to isolate patients, but isolating communities or countries is counterproductive.
pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-equipped-isolate-ebola/

Found it
 
A couple of things. Rates of transmission and mortality are so bad in these West African countries for several reasons. First because, frankly, they have very poor hygiene. These are places where something as simple as soap is a luxury for most people. Second because they have practically no medical infrastructure either in terms of facilities or professionals (doctors and nurses) and very little medical expertise to identify and handle highly infectious/contagious disease among the real doctors and nurses they do have. The mortality and transmission rates we are seeing are not indicative of the virus itself but of the environment in which it is propagating. We in the West should have no more fear of Ebola than of the common flu. We have the infrastructure, expertise, and hygienic practices to prevent such an epidemic from occurring as well as provide for a far lower mortality rate (so far the score is 0 fatalities for 3 patients).
That sir is Western Hubris talking.

The Dallas hospital that released its first Ebola patient when he came in is the example of how MOST hospitals work in the USA. Sure if we all got sent to the best hospitals in the country, Ebola would be stopped in its tracks, but no, they wont be. Most will end up at hospitals like the one in Dallas that released this Ebola carrier back into the public.

You might want to study the difficulty our hospitals are having controlling MRSA if you want to see how incompetent most hospitals are, or how we have bred anti-biotic resistant bacteria to begin with.

The Medical establishment is led by men more concerned with inter-office politics and advancing their careers than they are with the publics health, it seems to me. They are still telling people that the only way to get Ebola is by direct physical contact and that is KNOWN TO BE FALSE!

But do what you want. Follow their advice and no more if that is what you really think sufficient.

I prefer to remain on Earth till the Good Lord calls me home, and I will know that by how well resources are made available to me, not by some talking head on the Boob Box.
 
Ebola doesn’t make my top ten health concerns. I have far more realistic worries.
Good for you!

Meanwhile the medical establishment is monitoring 80 people in Dallas who had direct physical contact with the Ebola patient, but nothing said about any possible exposure by surface contamination, but no worries. Magical Pixie dust will sweep it all away!

cnn.com/2014/10/02/health/ebola-us/index.html

The family of the Ebola patient Zero is ordered to stay at home.
dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/02/texas-orders-family-of-ebola-patient-to-stay-home/

And boom! we have another suspected case in Hawaii!
khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/

The anti-panic are kind of funny when they use the medical health establishment to try to calm people down and later undermine their own sources of authority by dismissing the concerns those sources have about Ebola altogether.
 
Up to 80 people had contact with this guy, now identified as Thomas Duncan. msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-ebola-patient-vomited-outside-apartment-on-way-to-hospital/ar-BB6Eoek
It is worse than that. People were also exposed to any surface that Duncan touched and left sweat on during that 4 days he was not in isolation but symptomatic.

That list of surfaces includes door knobs, restroom counter tops and soap dispensers, restaurant or fast food shops menus and condiment containers, etc. Anyone who touched those surfaces within a few hours of Duncan leaving his sweat there is also exposed and the medical establishment is not even looking at these people.
 
Magical Pixie dust will sweep it all away!

The anti-panic are kind of funny when they use the medical health establishment to try to calm people down and later undermine their own sources of authority by dismissing the concerns those sources have about Ebola altogether.
Panic all you want. People used to worry about catching VD from a toilet seat.

From your articles;
“Out of an abundance of caution, we’re starting with this very wide net, including people who have had even brief encounters with the patient or the patient’s home,” spokeswoman Carrie Williams said.

“Being “monitored” means a public health worker visits twice a day to take the contact’s temperature and ask them if they are experiencing any symptoms.”

“But Ebola is much harder to contract than the flu. The virus can be spread only through the bodily fluids of people who have active symptoms of the illness.”
So far, this one case has resulted in zero new cases. I guess we will know how much this outbreak spreads in a couple of more weeks.

Nigeria’s outbreak has already been closed.
 
Panic all you want. People used to worry about catching VD from a toilet seat.
True and this was a fear for the relatively hard-to-spread virus HIV, in comparison, on a toilet seat, apparently Ebola could be active for hours after first getting there.
From your articles;

So far, this one case has resulted in zero new cases. I guess we will know how much this outbreak spreads in a couple of more weeks.

Nigeria’s outbreak has already been closed.
Not sure about this, there is already a 2nd case under investigation in Dallas and 80 people who the patient in Dallas had contact with are a concern of the health department, they are trying to contact all of these persons.

But I do agree, we should not be alarmed, just cautious and reasonable in our approach.
 
I can write 6000 words on the CDC directors thinking, in short I would compare him to the recently fired secret service director.

An analogy would be lets not stop terrorists from using the airlines because they will attempt to come even harder.
Good comparison! I don’t trust him. You could tell the other day at the press conference he didn’t want to be totally upfront and give all the information we were wanting.
 
Panic all you want.
“He who panics first, panics best.” - Nassim Taleb
People used to worry about catching VD from a toilet seat.
umm, straw men are easy to refute.
So far, this one case has resulted in zero new cases. I guess we will know how much this outbreak spreads in a couple of more weeks.
I think it’s a bit early to be calling that. There is at least one other person that is being watched closely as if they do expect them to develop symptoms.
Nigeria’s outbreak has already been closed.
Sitting in a region that is covered with fruit bats and has all kinds of unmonitored cross border traffic along centuries old trading paths, that too is a bit early to call.

While it is great that Nigeria has had such success, I would not be surprised if Ebola outbreaks continue to happen there for the next decade or two.
 
Dr. Anthony Fauci, a pioneer AIDS researcher who’s now the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told me, “Ebola is transmitted when a person is sick, usually very sick, and you have to come into direct contact with bodily fluids. So it’s difficult not to know you’re exposed.” By comparison, Fauci said, though HIV is less transmissible, New York Post‎
How is it less transmissible when its transmitted the same way. In fact its easily transmitted faster because you can have contracted it and not know, and then pass it on the entire time till its addressed or symptomatic. You have to be symptomatic to spread Ebola and its deadly much faster.

In fact research indicates its transmitted the same way…

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rense.com%2Fgeneral17%2Faidsandebola.htm&ei=nFstVPmeKsmbyASAv4GYBg&usg=AFQjCNFGtqyCx4JyDF5bjhV6LxLaRDIYXg&sig2=MS4k_PSrDdfmYKzbLhrrWw

The difference like with Dallas is we get to hurry up and chase all individuals around who may have came in contact with an ebola patient after they are symptomatic and not knowing where and when this will happen. And who knows like with HIV they may not go to the Hospital and spread it with no concern for anyone. Thats a fact also with HIV. They may also not know they are sick and be in denial like so many of us do until sickness can’t be denied.
In West Africa right now, according to CDC statistics, for every person infected with Ebola, two close contacts acquire it. That’s a recipe for disaster there, especially when combined with fruit bats spreading the virus to other regions and other countries on the African continent.
But here in America — where we’re able to identify symptoms rapidly and isolate sick patients, keeping others away from their secretions — any Ebola outbreak will be quickly squashed.
First paragraph is true but the second is false followed by conjecture and at this moment an expensive un-needed, rat race thats highly dangerous. . BTW are we checking animals also?
The Centers for Disease Control reports that infections are doubling every 20 days in Liberia and Sierra Leone, and worst-case projections reach into the millions.
Most of our AIDS patients were dying and we had no idea how to slow down the growing epidemic other than to push safe sex. We were irrationally afraid of getting the dreaded disease just by touching people or coming close to them.
Point is have we slowed the HIV epidemic? Yes, but through intervention to slow the spread of HIV by addressing the immune system with approved drugs and the understanding of its reactive and non reactive potential x the rate of spread of the virus plus it handling procedure.
HIV Incidence (new infections): The estimated incidence of HIV has remained stable overall in recent years, at about 50,000 new HIV infections per year.
Back in the 1980s, when HIV/AIDS was spreading to millions throughout Africa and first becoming an enormous problem here in America
And there is no reason to believe ebola won’t be an issue here similar following todays facts of this story.

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Animals and airborne, do we know for sure no animals are involved in this incident? Anyway it gives an idea of how little we know and how prideful we are in handling this.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhealthmap.org%2Fsite%2Fdiseasedaily%2Farticle%2Fpigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112&ei=rWYtVMrzFIK9yQSH7IDgCQ&usg=AFQjCNGI1yvTRkXvxLYaYe9jqhzGCK6iPw&sig2=o_rycmWEHKmDXaBSc7sjtw

Now CNN is reporting “100” contacts and they have yet to contact all of them [four were told not to leave the house and see visitors though] never mind even thinking about animals. And by my reading above the direct contact is also not altogether true. They do not know how caged animals caught the virus from other caged animals.

“In medicine, a prodrome is an early symptom (or set of symptoms) that might indicate the start of a disease before specific symptoms occur. It is derived from the Greek word prodromos or precursor.”

In short we do not know this!.
 
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