First case of Ebola in the US

[7_Sorrows]

Friedman needs to be let go. This is all just too much.

Yes. The airplane was bad enough, but now a cruise ship!

I guess in addition to a no fly list a no sail list is needed.

 

[jen_fla]

Yes. The airplane was bad enough, but now a cruise ship!

I guess in addition to a no fly list a no sail list is needed.

If I’m reading it correctly 4 people who were being monitored traveled with 3 going abroad. Totally reckless.

Now there is this report:

**Obama Plans to Let Ebola-infected Foreigners Into U.S. for Treatment
**

*OCTOBER 17, 2014
Washington, DC – Judicial Watch has learned that the Obama administration is actively formulating plans to admit Ebola-infected non-U.S. citizens into the United States for treatment. Specifically, the goal of the administration is to bring Ebola patients into the United States for treatment within the first days of diagnosis.

It is unclear who would bear the high costs of transporting and treating non-citizen Ebola patients. The plans include special waivers of laws and regulations that ban the admission of non-citizens with a communicable disease as dangerous as Ebola.

One source tells us that the Obama administration is keeping this plan secret from Congress. The source is concerned that the proposal is illegal; endangers the public health and welfare; and should require the approval of Congress.

judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-plans-let-ebola-infected-foreigners-u-s-treatment/
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[7_Sorrows]

Friedman needs to be let go. This is all just too much.

Yes. The airplane was bad enough, but now a cruise ship!

I guess in addition to a no fly list a no sail list is needed.

 

[TaurusRex]

Please don’t misunderstand my meaning and I don’t know how many of you watched the live interrogation of the CDC people. but two of them imho actually sounded like they were advocating a faster cure due to having more sick people to test their vaccines.

rex

 

[savedbygrace71]

I had a new thought, after having read a summary of the patients across the US who had been treated for Ebola this year. There were three who had been treated at Emory in August. What was different there, that there was no cross infection as in Dallas? Was it that they knew that patients were Ebola positive before they arrived? Or that their equipment was specifically designed to handle this level of infection? I’m just wondering how they did it so smoothly, and in Dallas immediately two of their nurses fell ill.

 

[RGCheek]

I had a new thought, after having read a summary of the patients across the US who had been treated for Ebola this year. There were three who had been treated at Emory in August. What was different there, that there was no cross infection as in Dallas? Was it that they knew that patients were Ebola positive before they arrived? Or that their equipment was specifically designed to handle this level of infection? I’m just wondering how they did it so smoothly, and in Dallas immediately two of their nurses fell ill.

I have read that the nurses in Dallas had inadequate training, obviously, inadequate equipment and were given inadequate protective gear, in some cases only a pair of gloves and a surgical mask. The also did not receive proper training on how to dispose of Ebola contaminated matter.

 

[Beautiful]

Please don’t misunderstand my meaning and I don’t know how many of you watched the live interrogation of the CDC people. but two of them imho actually sounded like they were advocating a faster cure due to having more sick people to test their vaccines.

rex

I did not watch the interview but I can say with a degree of certainty that we don’t need MORE people to get sick in order to test a vaccine. At this point, we are hearing all kinds of outlandish comments and remarks. Little will seem shocking at this point. Unfortunately, what Americans are probably sensing is a need to think and act autonomously…hoping this Ebola business is not the foundation of uncontrolled civil unrest.

 

[Beautiful]

youtube.com/watch?v=_TLqi9e5yWA#t=10

Published on Oct 17, 2014
A deadly epidemic is on the loose in America. It’s not an Ebola epidemic. It’s an epidemic of fear. In this must-see FIREWALL, Bill Whittle tells us not only that we should be optimistic, but WHY we should be optimistic, as well as what was done right, what was done wrong, and what needs to be done in the future.

Excellent commentary to read and share

 

[Jeanne_S]

I had a new thought, after having read a summary of the patients across the US who had been treated for Ebola this year. There were three who had been treated at Emory in August. What was different there, that there was no cross infection as in Dallas? Was it that they knew that patients were Ebola positive before they arrived? Or that their equipment was specifically designed to handle this level of infection? I’m just wondering how they did it so smoothly, and in Dallas immediately two of their nurses fell ill.

One of the co workers of the two nurses infected is speaking out in their defense,stating that the Dallas Hospital was totally unequipped and prepared to handle Ebola.
Having said that, the nurse who flew to Cleveland,I hold her first and foremost responsible,foe any spread of this disease due to her selfish and shortsighted actions!Then,CDC for dropping the ball.It is just a glaring example of the ineptitude of really,pretty much most gov’t run agencies. The fact that this woman was a co worker of an already infected individual,should have been enough to quarantine her!

 

[RGCheek]

youtube.com/watch?v=_TLqi9e5yWA#t=10

Excellent commentary to read and share

What is it with people who seem to have lost the idea of what ‘concerned attention’ is? It is not panic, it is not fear, though we have evolved a sense of fear for a good reason; it helps us to survive.

Think of it as similar to being in a bus driving along some mountain roads with steep drop offs to the side and a narrow road as well. IF the road is made well and the driver sober and experienced there is little to be really concerned about.

IF either two of those are shaky then your situation is also shaky.

This is something to simply prep for if it gets out of hand, and I see no reason to believe it wont get out of hand. The bungling by the CDC so far is not grounds for confidence.

 

[Beautiful]

What is it with people who seem to have lost the idea of what ‘concerned attention’ is? It is not panic, it is not fear, though we have evolved a sense of fear for a good reason; it helps us to survive.

Think of it as similar to being in a bus driving along some mountain roads with steep drop offs to the side and a narrow road as well. IF the road is made well and the driver sober and experienced there is little to be really concerned about.

IF either two of those are shaky then your situation is also shaky.

This is something to simply prep for if it gets out of hand, and I see no reason to believe it wont get out of hand. The bungling by the CDC so far is not grounds for confidence.

Yes, a sense of fear helps us survive. Fear should not be discounted in this situation.

Lack of preparedness, leadership and proper authority coupled with Ebola is the problem. Let’s not forget the numerous other national and international concerns. I am not so quick to say that the CDC is the crux of the problem.
Did anyone ever say our elected officials would have perfect mental health when under stress?

 

[7_Sorrows]

One of the co workers of the two nurses infected is speaking out in their defense,stating that the Dallas Hospital was totally unequipped and prepared to handle Ebola.
Having said that, the nurse who flew to Cleveland,I hold her first and foremost responsible,foe any spread of this disease due to her selfish and shortsighted actions!Then,CDC for dropping the ball.It is just a glaring example of the ineptitude of really,pretty much most gov’t run agencies. The fact that this woman was a co worker of an already infected individual,should have been enough to quarantine her!

well said!

 

[7_Sorrows]

I read they are expediting visas from the ebola stricken countries. With the new ebola czar I think we are in trouble. Not sure what he will be orchestrating!

 

[jen_fla]

I had a new thought, after having read a summary of the patients across the US who had been treated for Ebola this year. There were three who had been treated at Emory in August. What was different there, that there was no cross infection as in Dallas? Was it that they knew that patients were Ebola positive before they arrived? Or that their equipment was specifically designed to handle this level of infection? I’m just wondering how they did it so smoothly, and in Dallas immediately two of their nurses fell ill.

Hi savedbyGrace. This might help.

There are four hospitals in the US set up to handle Biosafety level 4 agents with Emory being one.

America’s 4 Ebola Hospitals Can Only Hold 9 Patients

The two nurses who contracted Ebola in Dallas were transferred this week to two of the four highly specialized hospital centers in the U.S. that are designed to treat the disease, suggesting that health officials may have doubts about the ability of local hospitals to handle such patients.

The problem: These four specially equipped biocontainment facilities — in Nebraska, Montana, Maryland and Georgia — have the combined capacity to treat fewer than a dozen Ebola patients at one time.

The limited number of beds isn’t unusual for hospitals that treat rare diseases, and a widespread Ebola outbreak in America is extremely unlikely. But if the U.S. is forced to handle more than a dozen Ebola cases — either because the disease spreads further within the country, or more Americans become ill abroad and are brought to the U.S. for treatment — the burden will once again fall to the broader, inadequately trained American health system.

The four specialized hospitals have a perfect track record so far this year. None of the Ebola patients in their care have died, and unlike in Dallas, there has been no person-to-person transmission of the virus within the facilities.

They were designed to treat patients with some of the most dangerous pathogens on the planet. These include Ebola virus disease and other viral hemorrhagic fevers, as well as SARS, smallpox, tularemia, plague and multi-drug resistant tuberculosis.

Continued

 

[Path_Finder]

This story has already changed once, at first they said this lady was one of the ones being monitored, now they change the story and say that is not so.

wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/ebola-dart-station-dallas-monitoring/17503345/

Lyons initially said that the woman was reported to be a resident of the same Dallas apartment complex where Ebola “patient zero” Thomas Eric Duncan became ill after traveling to the U.S. from Liberia. Duncan died on October 8 and two nurses who treated him are now being treated for the virus.

Dallas Fire-Rescue confirmed the woman’s reported connection with the Ivy Apartments.

Hazardous materials teams from the fire department were dispatched to the station at 7333 East Northwest Highway, which serves the Blue Line trains along with connecting bus routes. Emergency personnel were wearing protective gear.

DART said White Rock Station would be closed to bus and rail service until further notice; trains scheduled to stop at the station will not stop there.

So conflicting info is given, if she lived at those apartments, she should have been on the watch list, nonetheless, it’s amazing that one transport station would be closed until further notice because she vomited there.

 

[chero23]

This story has already changed once, at first they said this lady was one of the ones being monitored, now they change the story and say that is not so.

So conflicting info is given, if she lived at those apartments, she should have been on the watch list, nonetheless, it’s amazing that one transport station would be closed until further notice because she vomited there.

I read earlier at work today that apparently at 6th person to vomit in the area today.

 

[rgorton]

i ran across this article last nite, it has mutated and confirmed airborn transmission- by the way, I get more info here than any news source-

witscience.org/wits-fears-airborne-ebola-virus-confirmed-true/

The report shows that the Center for Disease Control has discovered a new mutation of the virus, and that is has been brought to the United States via aircraft travel from Africa, further supporting WIT’s statement earlier today that an Ebola outbreak in the US is imminent. - See more at: witscience.org/wits-fears-airborne-ebola-virus-confirmed-true/#sthash.poI6p3j6.dpuf

 

[Beautiful]

i ran across this article last nite, it has mutated and confirmed airborn transmission- by the way, I get more info here than any news source-

witscience.org/wits-fears-airborne-ebola-virus-confirmed-true/

The report shows that the Center for Disease Control has discovered a new mutation of the virus, and that is has been brought to the United States via aircraft travel from Africa, further supporting WIT’s statement earlier today that an Ebola outbreak in the US is imminent. - See more at: witscience.org/wits-fears-airborne-ebola-virus-confirmed-true/#sthash.poI6p3j6.dpuf

These websites look very unprofessional.

At any rate,
I believe it is easier for news reporters to discuss Ebola problems here rather than to report from West Africa.
Also, it is easier for Americans to hear homegrown Ebola news rather than real news from where the real horror is unfolding…West Africa. Those pictures and those stories will be largely untaken and untold.

 

[RGCheek]

These websites look very unprofessional.
.

Well, then whatever data they are passing along must be false.

Great, I didn’t want to read more bad news today anyway.

 

[jen_fla]

These websites look very unprofessional.

At any rate,
I believe it is easier for news reporters to discuss Ebola problems here rather than to report from West Africa.
Also, it is easier for Americans to hear homegrown Ebola news rather than real news from where the real horror is unfolding…West Africa. Those pictures and those stories will be largely untaken and untold.

The Wisconsin Institute of Technology isn’t some fly-by-night organization, but then again maybe that page was made by a teenager in his/her basement.

Founded in 1943 as one of America’s first independently-owned nuclear science facilities , The Wyoming Institute of Technology has been at the forefront of scientific research and advancement in the United States for more than seventy years, serving as a leading voice in a wide assortment of fields, from environmental issues to medical science to consumer tech and beyond. - See more at: witscience.org/about-wit/#sthash.oL1p4iZj.dpuf

At any rate, here is more on the virus mutating and this is coming from reputable Dr. Jahrling, one of the top experts in this field. I think it is a very interesting interview.

Julia Belluz: What concerns you most about the virus circulating now?

Peter Jahrling: I want to know if this virus is intrinsically different from the one we have seen before, if it is a more virulent strain. We are using tests now that weren’t using in the past, but there seems to be a belief that the virus load is higher in these patients [today] than what we have seen before. If true, that’s a very different bug.

One of the studies we’re going to do here is to test the virulence of this new strain in experimentally infected primates and compare it with the reference strain, and look at whether it is hotter, extrapolating from monkeys to people. It may be that the virus burns hotter and quicker [meaning it’s more contagious and easily spread].

**JB: Yet everyone is worried about Ebola going airborne…
**
PJ: You’re seeing all these patients getting infected, so people think there must be aerosol spread. Certainly, it’s very clear that people who are in close contact with patients are getting a very high incidence of disease and not all of that can be explained by preparation of bodies for burial and all the standard stuff. But if you are to assume that the differences in virus load detected in the blood are reflected by differences in virus load spread by body secretions, then maybe it’s a simple quantitative difference. There’s just more virus.

JB: A higher viral load means this Ebola virus can spread faster and further?

PJ: Yes. I have a field team in Monrovia. They are running [tests]. They are telling me that viral loads are coming up very quickly and really high, higher than they are used to seeing. It turns out that in limited studies with the evacuated patients, they continued to express virus in blood and semen. What does that mean? Right now, we just don’t know.

JB: Can you entertain the air-borne hypothesis. Do you think it’s plausible?

PJ: You can argue that any time the virus replicates it’s going to mutate. So there is a potential for the thing to acquire an aerogenic property but that would have to be a dramatic change. When scientists have done studies, playing with influenza strains to make them more virulent, when they increase the aerosol potential of a flu strain, they also reduce its virulence. So when you start messing with viruses, you usually make them less virulent.

full interview:
vox.com/2014/10/13/6959087/ebola-outbreak-virus-mutated-airborne