First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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_Abyssinia said:
Michael Moore melts down on Twitter after debate: ‘It’s over’

theblaze.com/stories/2016/09/27/michael-moore-melts-down-on-twitter-after-debate-its-over/

Here is a devastating review of Lester Holt’s job as debate moderator by Joe Concha at The Hill: thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/297978-nbcs-lester-holt-emerges-from-debate-bruised-and-partisan
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Lester Holt’s biggest issue (the networks can’t help themselves) is deciding to correct of fact check only one candidate. Candi Crowley did the same thing.

Why did he (twice, that I can recall) contradict what Trump was saying and not do it a single time for Clinton? Everyone knows the candidates are not 100% factually correct in these debates, and that is what fact-checking folks are for. If he is going to do that, he needs to do it for both candidates. This is the second election cycle in a row where the moderator decided to play favorites, which even the most ardent Clinton supporter can acknowledge is not his role.
 
exnihilo said:
The debate moderation was not surprisingly biased against Trump. Holt asked silly questions designed to embarrass Trump.

Here the moderator works in the word false and also race. What does race have to do with the claim?
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Asking Trump about his “birther” crusade was legitimate. It has to do with Trump’s judgment and credibility. And it has everything to do with race. A white president would not have been suspected of being born outside the US, even after he produced his birth certificate. For many white Americans still, nonwhite= foreign, nonAmerican.

At least as damaging to Trump was his poor response to the question, which he should have known was coming.
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Lester Holt’s biggest issue (the networks can’t help themselves) is deciding to correct of fact check only one candidate. Candi Crowley did the same thing.

Why did he (twice, that I can recall) contradict what Trump was saying and not do it a single time for Clinton? Everyone knows the candidates are not 100% factually correct in these debates, and that is what fact-checking folks are for. If he is going to do that, he needs to do it for both candidates. This is the second election cycle in a row where the moderator decided to play favorites, which even the most ardent Clinton supporter can acknowledge is not his role.
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Yes I noticed she couldn’t wait to shake his hand at the end of the debate. He definitely went easy on her. Maybe they need to use robots for moderators. I am sure Hillary was excited when Lester brought up the Obama birth certificate.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
Asking Trump about his “birther” crusade was legitimate. It has to do with Trump’s judgment and credibility. And it has everything to do with race. A white president would not have been suspected of being born outside the US, even after he produced his birth certificate. For many white Americans still, nonwhite= foreign, nonAmerican.

At least as damaging to Trump was his poor response to the question, which he should have known was coming.
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Huh? The left likes to question Melania Trump’s legality, and she’s white.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Well, he **tried **to interrupt him 41 times when Trump went on and on beyond his time limit. Very few of those times were successful. Holt was extremely deferential to both Trump and Clinton, letting both of them break the rules. As I said before, the debate might as well have been unmoderated.
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The moderator needs to be able to shut off the microphones otherwise there is no control.
 
Trump was put in a very difficult position by his own campaign group. Also by all the conservatives in media. They kept telling him not to be himself, just let Hillary say whatever and restrain from answering her if it sounded like he was attacking her, as she claims to be a woman and they are equal to men. This might be true, then women must be able to take what they give and not cry about it.

Hopefully the Republicans will insist on a moderator who is impartial, no more of these bought Democrats.

Clinton has been protected for years and that is what Americans want, then they should not complain about the economy or safety. Even though I didn’t care much for George Bush we never had an attack when he was in office. Please don’t try to bring up 9/11 as that before both parties even thought it could happen.

Since Obama and Hillary we have had many and just as one can’t blame Trump for the economy nor the attacks, it is the present people in charge, Obama and Clinton who have allowed this and Hillary plans to continue Obama’s administration.

Bernadette
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Are any of them? Snap polling after a debate is meaningless either way. CNN’s poll showed Clinton winning, and had a spread of +15 for Democrats. Really?
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Yes, and the Drudge Report poll with Trump winning by 80%/20% is probably 90 % conservatives.
 
ProVobis said:
Maybe so, but he didn’t take the same business ethics classes I had to take.

People don’t forget when you stiffed or defrauded them out of money.

But then it’s okay if it happens to someone else. “Oh, well, that’s business.” :rolleyes:
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Exactly what is Trump accused of doing that is unethical in business? Was it declaring bankruptcy which is a perfectly legal thing to do? Clinton seemed to repudiate bankruptcy laws. I found that odd for a woman who voted to give almost three quarters of a trillion dollars to banks precisely to prevent them from going bankrupt. I guess if Trump had paid her $225,000 for a speech like a Wall Street bank he might have been able to avoid bankruptcy himself.

Or was the unethical action the claim made by Clinton that he didn’t pay workers? I don’t know the substance of the claim. But Trump seemed to rebut this by suggesting the reason a person wasn’t paid is because they didn’t do the job they were hired for. That is certainly a reasonable claim and is perfectly ethical.
 
BernadetteM said:
Trump was put in a very difficult position by his own campaign group. Also by all the conservatives in media. They kept telling him not to be himself, just let Hillary say whatever and restrain from answering her if it sounded like he was attacking her, as she claims to be a woman and they are equal to men. This might be true, then women must be able to take what they give and not cry about it.

Hopefully the Republicans will insist on a moderator who is impartial, no more of these bought Democrats.

Clinton has been protected for years and that is what Americans want, then they should not complain about the economy or safety. Even though I didn’t care much for George Bush we never had an attack when he was in office. Please don’t try to bring up 9/11 as that before both parties even thought it could happen.

Since Obama and Hillary we have had many and just as one can’t blame Trump for the economy nor the attacks, it is the present people in charge, Obama and Clinton who have allowed this and Hillary plans to continue Obama’s administration.

Bernadette
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Lester Holt is a registered Republican, not a Democrat. You complain that Clinton has been protected for years. Most Democrats complain that Trump has not been scrutinized by the press, and that any other candidate who spouts the sort of lies and misinformation that Trump has uttered would have been destroyed by the press, whereas Trump seems to have been given a pass. The problem with the debate was not Lester Holt but Trump himself. He was awful: unprepared, bullying, inarticulate, unfocused. Stamina? Trump seemed to fall apart halfway through and went home to Manhattan after the debate. Hillary remained strong and focused to the end, then spoke at a function after the debate.
 
BernadetteM said:
Please don’t try to bring up 9/11 as that before both parties even thought it could happen.
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Didn’t Trump bring up that issue during the primaries? Or didn’t people notice that during his attacks on (fellow?) Republicans?
 
Expatreprocedit said:
Asking Trump about his “birther” crusade was legitimate. It has to do with Trump’s judgment and credibility. And it has everything to do with race. A white president would not have been suspected of being born outside the US, even after he produced his birth certificate. For many white Americans still, nonwhite= foreign, nonAmerican.

At least as damaging to Trump was his poor response to the question, which he should have known was coming.
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Fair enough as far as the legitimacy of the question. But people questioned the eligibility of John McCain, Cruz, and Rubio. McCain is certainly White. Questioning the legitimacy of a politician is politics. Obama has a foreign sounding name, his father was undeniably a foreigner with no intention to stay in the US, he lived outside the US for many of his formative years, and he had no long term roots in Hawaii. The fact the he is mixed race adds nothing to the legitimate concern about whether he was born in the US. Had he been a mixed race man from Aiken South Carolina whose parents and grandparents were also from there no one would have been concerned with his legitimacy.
 
Rhubarb said:
Because he went off the rails, interrupted, dodged questions, and otherwise broke debate procedure far more often than she did.

My mother, a die hard republican, was shocked and embarrassed by his behavior and hollow rhetoric.
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Exactly. Trump was rude and was constantly speaking out of turn. He HAD to be interrupted more. Not that it did anything to stop him :mad:
 
Well let’s see….

Hillary didn’t collapse or cough up another lizard egg. 2 points for her.

Donald didn’t foam at the mouth and go rabid. 1 point for him.

I declare the loser ….America…. where there is a sucker born every minute
 
It reminded me of my grandparents arguing about the best route to take to get to Uncle Frank’s house. :rolleyes:
 
exnihilo said:
Exactly what is Trump accused of doing that is unethical in business?
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Are you kidding?

newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html

content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html

rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314

dailykos.com/story/2016/8/2/1555822/-OUCH-Newsweek-exposes-Trump-as-the-business-fraud-he-is

gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188

mediaite.com/online/report-shows-trumps-ego-made-him-fail-at-business-over-and-over-again/

If I may add one thing to this: it is one thing to get away with unethical business practices, it is something else to brag about it. Even Warren Buffet mentioned this to him: “Have you no shame?”
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Trump: 82 to 18

845,000 votes.
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True but keep in mind it’s neither scientific, nor does it limit his followers to a single vote. And if it’s one thing I’ll give Trump it’s how much he has motivated his closest supporters.
 
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