First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

[Jeanne_S]

Isn’t the wife the victim?

I know some people think it is the wife’s fault if the husband cheats. I personally, I think it is the husband and the person he cheats with, not the wife. Him for having an extra-marital affair, the person he cheats with for being intimately involved with a person that is not their spouse.

Why is it always the wife who gets blamed for the affair? Then if she stays with the husband, she is a chump, if she divorces him, she has destroyed her marriage?

:banghead:

Hillary staying with Bill in spite his chronic infidelities is just one piece of that whole mess.She played an active role in discrediting and demonizing his victims of sexual assault.All for political expediency.She isn’t a poor little woman who was cheated on.She played her role in all of it,continues to play her role.The audacity of her to call Trump out on comments he may have made re certain woman,all the while her serial philanderer and rapist of a husband is sitting in the audience.Unbelievable! Trump was hamstrung during that debate,knowing that if he called her out on any of her past misdeeds,especially the bimbo eruption,he would be accused of harassing her.She knew that and took advantage of this knowledge.He was sniffing throughout probably due to nerves and having to contain himself in light of all this.

 

[Millie123]

unngh. Imma gunna go back to Trump U fo mo betta edumacation!

Teach tole me through simple math be 4.9 pounds/day for 270 days makka 1,323 pounds added to her 116 winning weight makka 1,439 pounds = 1 pluss size muchacha! ¿No?

Imma take calquelos next week!

You’re right. I’m wrong, I apolgize. I transposed my units, and I made a calculation mistake. Instead of staying up late last night to post here…it would have been better to had just gone to bed. I accept my error, and your rightful and artful portrayal of my ignorance as being well deserved. I sincerely apologize

 

[ProVobis]

Absolutely amazing. They’ll rue the day when they realize the congress of the United States is turned into nothing but a debating society under another Clinton administration. The combination of her executive orders and a supreme court constituted to approve them, will be the end of the separation of powers.

The SC seems to take matter into their own hands. For example, they made Roe vs Wade the law of the country without any help from Congress or President. They seemingly violate the 10th Amendment as often as they can. And gone is perhaps our only hope to rectify things, Justice Scalia.

 

[ProVobis]

Liberals’ short term gain if Clinton is elected, might bite them in the flank someday, particularly those who are Catholic.

Ridge, that would be on Trump for insulting the Hispanic community, among others, who constitute much of US Catholicism.

 

[ProVobis]

He was sniffing throughout probably due to nerves and having to contain himself in light of all this.

That’s probably what her objective was, to rile him up and let him expose himself for the fraud he is. If he really thought he’d won, he wouldn’t be making up excuses like a microphone problem.

This whole election reminds me of Mad Magazine’s Spy vs Spy series.

 

[Jeanne_S]

That’s probably what her objective was, to rile him up and let him expose himself for the fraud he is.

This whole election reminds me of Mad Magazine’s Spy vs Spy series.

Who’s the bigger fraud as long as we are calling names? Rhetorical question,BTW

 

[ShrodingersCat]

Yes, why don’t people learn from history? Willful blindness and/or ignorance must be part of the explanation. I can only hope that the US is simply not white enough that history will repeat itself. If it doesn’t, we will have dodged the bullet narrowly.

As a bright spot, Hillary is leading among white college-educated women (a reversal from other Democratic candidates going back decades). It is unlikely that Trump helped himself with this demographic in the last debate – more likely the contrary.

Well, I’m not pro-Hillary due to her pro-choice stance. I’m just worried about how a guy like Trump is resonating with so many people.

 

[ProVobis]

Who’s the bigger fraud as long as we are calling names? Rhetorical question,BTW

Perfect answer. An admission that both are.

 

[stevegravy]

All these endorsements seem to be virtue signaling by a bunch of posers who want to be seen as being on the right side of history. (Think: Brooks and Obama pants crease)

It is not like there anything to admire about Trump except he seems to thrive in the gutter of the political world. Having gotten into a position where he could actually win this thing. It kind of proves people in large don’t vote on reasoned grounds but on emotions.

On reasoned grounds, it is Clinton’s industrial scale corruption I find totally unpalatable.

I think the country could survive and rebound an ignoramus but it will not survive institutionalized corruption which is where the Clinton’s are taking us.

In the past there had to be certain level of public decorum and morality even if hypocritical for a person to make it in public life. Having said that there are always outliers. However, there was a time the party elite could control who they put up, to be the face of the party before the public. In the 90’s the democrats lost it with the Clinton’s. And if it wasn’t them particularly perhaps it was the changing of the generations. Maybe the baby boomers have no sense of shame.

Oh well… living in interesting times.

 

[Jeanne_S]

All these endorsements seem to be virtue signaling by a bunch of posers who want to be seen as being on the right side of history. (Think: Brooks and Obama pants crease)

It is not like there anything to admire about Trump except he seems to thrive in the gutter of the political world. Having gotten into a position where he could actually win this thing. It kind of proves people in large don’t vote on reasoned grounds but on emotions.

On reasoned grounds, it is Clinton’s industrial scale corruption I find totally unpalatable.

I think the country could survive and rebound an ignoramus but it will not survive institutionalized corruption which is where the Clinton’s are taking us.

In the past there had to be certain level of public decorum and morality even if hypocritical for a person to make it in public life. Having said that there are always outliers. However, there was a time the party elite could control who they put up, to be the face of the party before the public. In the 90’s the democrats lost it with the Clinton’s. And if it wasn’t them particularly perhaps it was the changing of the generations. Maybe the baby boomers have no sense of shame.

Oh well… living in interesting times.

It is bizarre and very telling at the same time.The best the Dems could come up with is a tired retread,HC.The Republicans painted themselves into a corner by not listening to their base.DT seized the opportunity and jumped in.He is a reaction to all of the above.

 

[DeniseNY]

It is bizarre and very telling at the same time.The best the Dems could come up with is a tired retread,HC.The Republicans painted themselves into a corner by not listening to their base.DT seized the opportunity and jumped in.He is a reaction to all of the above.

I’m scared. Hold me!

 

[Al_Moritz]

Well, I’m not pro-Hillary due to her pro-choice stance. I’m just worried about how a guy like Trump is resonating with so many people.

But if you are really so worried, or even terrified as you said, then you should realize that a no-vote, or vote for another candidate, is a vote for Trump.

And Trump has no pro-life bonafides, see also this article written by a sincere pro-life conservative:

There is no Pro-Life Case for Donald Trump

 

[rose_kelly]

iTrump has a long history of being cruel to people in both word and deed, sometimes even to members of his own family. I think that reflects his character, not his manners. He may not be able to empathize with other people’s suffering, like a sociopath. It would be really strange to put someone like that in charge of the most powerful nation on earth and not expect him to use those powers to inflict more pain and suffering on others.

That someone like that could be the next American President is not only utterly inconceivable, it is quite terrifying.
He appears to be nothing but a loud mouth property magnet with no political experience very little compassion and totally lacking in tact and diplomacy,
Is that the leader Americans want representing them on the world stage?

 

[DeniseNY]

property magnet

 

[Ridgerunner]

That someone like that could be the next American President is not only utterly inconceivable, it is quite terrifying.
He appears to be nothing but a loud mouth property magnet with no political experience very little compassion and totally lacking in tact and diplomacy,
Is that the leader Americans want representing them on the world stage?

Very little compassion? Sociopath? When FDR died, his mistress was there, not his wife. And Eleanor had to live with that knowledge and the realization that people knew it. Jackie Kennedy had to live with JFK’s many escapades. And Hillary Clinton had to live with Bill’s.

And yet, nobody, and particularly not Democrats, label any of them “sociopaths” or having “very little compassion”.

And nobody was “terrified”, either.

 

[_Abyssinia]

But if you are really so worried, or even terrified as you said, then you should realize that a no-vote, or vote for another candidate, is a vote for Trump.

And Trump has no pro-life bonafides, see also this article written by a sincere pro-life conservative:

There is no Pro-Life Case for Donald Trump

Here is a different view:

The Pro-Life Case for Trump

m.townhall.com/columnists/marjoriedannenfelser/2016/05/09/the-prolife-case-for-trump-n2160264

And here is a list of pro-life organisations that have endorsed Donald Trump:

The West Virginians for Life Political Action Committee: lifenews.com/2016/07/22/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-is-committed-to-supporting-pro-life-values/

The Right to Life of Michigan Political Action Committee: lifenews.com/2016/08/04/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-millions-more-babies-will-die-under-hillary-clinton/

Missouri Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/07/18/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-and-mike-pence-they-will-pursue-pro-life-goals/

The National Right to Life Committee Pac: lifenews.com/2016/08/30/national-pro-life-group-supports-donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-a-pro-abortion-extremist/

Cincinnati Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/09/28/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-will-nominate-pro-life-justices-defund-planned-parenthood/

Ohio Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/08/01/pro-life-group-supports-donald-trump-there-is-no-bigger-threat-to-unborn-babies-than-hillary/

Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation: lifenews.com/2016/06/20/pennsylvania-pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-will-be-a-defender-of-human-life/

 

[ShrodingersCat]

But if you are really so worried, or even terrified as you said, then you should realize that a no-vote, or vote for another candidate, is a vote for Trump.

And Trump has no pro-life bonafides, see also this article written by a sincere pro-life conservative:

There is no Pro-Life Case for Donald Trump

I don’t have a vote. I’m concerned that Trump is up there for election in the first place, whether he wins or not.

Trump will likely appoint pro-life supreme court justices and his vice is apparently pro-life. I can relate to people who would grudgingly vote for him to keep Hillary out for that reason, since the pro-life cause is the most important one. Even if Trump is only nominally less pro-choice. Or people who would go third party for the same reason.

Catholics who care a lot about the pro-life issue were pretty much never going to be voting for the Dem nominee anyway. The really concerning thing is how Trump is the alternative that they are being offered.

 

[7_Sorrows]

That someone like that could be the next American President is not only utterly inconceivable, it is quite terrifying.
He appears to be nothing but a loud mouth property magnet with no political experience very little compassion and totally lacking in tact and diplomacy,
Is that the leader Americans want representing them on the world stage?

I think Trump has a business personna. the business world is very tough - like the political world. I am sure there is Trump the private person - family man as well.
I certainly have more confidence in Trump leading our country than Hillary and Bill. That would be a nightmare. Trump has flaws, but he also has promise. Hillary has flaws, numerous corruption scandals and no promise.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Here is a different view:

The Pro-Life Case for Trump

m.townhall.com/columnists/marjoriedannenfelser/2016/05/09/the-prolife-case-for-trump-n2160264

And here is a list of pro-life organisations that have endorsed Donald Trump:

The West Virginians for Life Political Action Committee: lifenews.com/2016/07/22/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-is-committed-to-supporting-pro-life-values/

The Right to Life of Michigan Political Action Committee: lifenews.com/2016/08/04/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-millions-more-babies-will-die-under-hillary-clinton/

Missouri Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/07/18/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-and-mike-pence-they-will-pursue-pro-life-goals/

The National Right to Life Committee Pac: lifenews.com/2016/08/30/national-pro-life-group-supports-donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-a-pro-abortion-extremist/

Cincinnati Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/09/28/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-will-nominate-pro-life-justices-defund-planned-parenthood/

Ohio Right to Life: lifenews.com/2016/08/01/pro-life-group-supports-donald-trump-there-is-no-bigger-threat-to-unborn-babies-than-hillary/

Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation: lifenews.com/2016/06/20/pennsylvania-pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-will-be-a-defender-of-human-life/

thank you!

 

[gracepoole]

I freely admit that this is mere speculation. But a friend who has doctorate in psychology claims that habitual sniffing in stressful situations can be a sign of bipolar disorder. We’ll likely never know but that diagnosis would answer a good many questions.