Five myths about antifa

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JonNC said:
There is a foundational belief that individual rights take primacy over government power.
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Foundational to whom? Heck liberals argue in favor of individual rights for foreigners, homosexuals, and women who want to abort their kids.

Conservatism has been in a steady retreat since Buckley and the neo-cons took over the movement. A philosophy dedicated to forswearing the exercise of power will be dominated by one that that focuses on acquiring and exercising power. Your choices are to rule or be ruled. The state is inevitable, best to use it for the proper ends.
Liberals are not progressives. Progressives are authoritarian.
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This is not real “capitalism”. This is not really “liberalism”. This is not true “communism”. Is anyone else starting to see the pattern here?
 
WingedHussar said:
Foundational to whom? Heck liberals argue in favor of individual rights for foreigners, homosexuals, and women who want to abort their kids.
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You’re talking about progressives.
WingedHussar said:
Conservatism has been in a steady retreat since Buckley and the neo-cons took over the movement. A philosophy dedicated to forswearing the exercise of power will be dominated by one that that focuses on acquiring and exercising power. Your choices are to rule or be ruled. The state is inevitable, best to use it for the proper ends.
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Interesting that the framers understood a different paradigm.
WingedHussar said:
Your choices are to rule or be ruled. The state is inevitable, best to use it for the proper ends.
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This is an argument from the left. While the state is inevitable, even necessary, it does not govern well from the attitude “rule or be ruled”.
WingedHussar said:
This is not real “capitalism”. This is not really “liberalism”. This is not true “communism”. Is anyone else starting to see the pattern here?
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I don’t know. What’s your pattern.
 
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JonNC said:
You’re talking about progressives.
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They are left-wing liberals and you are a right-wing liberal. Both are children of the Enlightenment.
Interesting that the framers understood a different paradigm.
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They theorized it, and put it to the test. As we can see, that test has failed.
This is an argument from the left. While the state is inevitable, even necessary, it does not govern well from the attitude “rule or be ruled”.
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It is an argument from reality. “Well” depends on your definition and your goals for the state.
I don’t know. What’s your pattern.
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Real liberalism has never been tried, despite all the failures of people who really tried to implement it. All liberals argue from the same playbook and use the same excuses.
 
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WingedHussar said:
They are left-wing liberals and you are a right-wing liberal. Both are children of the Enlightenment.
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Actually, no. I’m a constitutional conservative
WingedHussar said:
They theorized it, and put it to the test. As we can see, that test has failed.
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So you’re ready to defeat authoritarianism with authoritarianism. Sort of like the Weimar Republic? How did that work out?
WingedHussar said:
Real liberalism has never been tried, despite all the failures of people who really tried to implement it. All liberals argue from the same playbook and use the same excuses.
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Thrn make sure you don’t act like them.
 
Actually, no. I’m a constitutional conservative
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Still a child of the Enlightenment, call yourself what you will. Your movement has conserved nothing and more importantly has not gained anything.
So you’re ready to defeat authoritarianism with authoritarianism. Sort of like the Weimar Republic? How did that work out?
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Germany is a very special case. Communist revolutions, economic desperation, and degeneracy that makes our sexual revolution in the 60’s look tame. Franco’s Spain worked out pretty well. So did Chile. The difference is, non-liberals have real world successes and failures. Enlightenment philosophies keep assuring us that their pet system has never been really been properly implemented.
Thrn make sure you don’t act like them.
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Not sure what that is supposed to mean.
 
The Real 5 Myths about Antifa:
  1. They are peaceful
  2. They have the United States best interests at heart
  3. They believe in individual/personal rights
  4. They are not targeting innocent people with acts of violence
  5. They are not organized and funded*
This is obviously false when you look at reports from police in major cities experiencing protesting. Whenever there’s a new shooting of a POC by a police officer, there are literally organized caravans of cars/vans shuttling people into the area (oftentimes with out of state plates). People who don’t know each other can’t randomly coordinate like that. These protests have been targeted by an organized effort (and the level of organization suggests they are receiving funding from somewhere). I’m not saying it’s from George Soros. But it’s obvious they are being paid to flood into protest areas and cause violence and mayhem. Anyone who can’t see the plain writing on the wall is clearly favorable to the intentions of these domestic terrorists.
 
Take those guys to the present and they go back to their own time to take the fight to the USSR to eliminate communism.
 
I wonder what Fascism they are fighting in the U.S.A. We do not have a Fascist government.
 
I have yet to see a good definition of “fascism” from people who use it as an insult. Based on the way they use it, it seems to mean exercises of government power that the user disagrees with.
 
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Imagine thinking Trump is a fascist dictator despite being able to criticize his every move on every single platform every single day.
 
The term fascism was largely butchered after the Second World War, when the democratic narrative of the war justified it as a “crusade against fascism.” Now every example of government “overreach” is fascism. Ironically the Allied and post-war governments essentially came to adopt elements of social-corporatism themselves. The post-war governments were much better integrated with both capital and labour, and generally had more control over trade unions and business. This trend has continued.

You yourself do seem to be an actual fascist though. You advocate some kind of “Third Positionist” anti-capitalist nationalism, attacking capitalism and liberalism from the right. You didn’t answer my question in the previous post. Do you believe that fascism in Italy and Germany were necessary measures against the rise of communism?
 
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Tridentine2Byzantine said:
This is obviously false when you look at reports from police in major cities experiencing protesting. Whenever there’s a new shooting of a POC by a police officer, there are literally organized caravans of cars/vans shuttling people into the area (oftentimes with out of state plates). People who don’t know each other can’t randomly coordinate like that. These protests have been targeted by an organized effort (and the level of organization suggests they are receiving funding from somewhere). I’m not saying it’s from George Soros. But it’s obvious they are being paid to flood into protest areas and cause violence and mayhem. Anyone who can’t see the plain writing on the wall is clearly favorable to the intentions of these domestic terrorists.
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I guess we could say the same thing about the organized militias and white supremacist groups.
 
Tridentine2Byzantine said:
This is obviously false when you look at reports from police in major cities experiencing protesting. Whenever there’s a new shooting of a POC by a police officer, there are literally organized caravans of cars/vans shuttling people into the area (oftentimes with out of state plates). People who don’t know each other can’t randomly coordinate like that.
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This is a good example of:
Balto1 said:
This one trips up conservatives because they can’t imagine any sort of political movement that isn’t hierarchical. People across the country independently organizing anti-police protests and mutual aid networks couldn’t possibly be doing it on their own, they must be getting marching orders from somewhere (every leftist protester must be cashing checks from George Soros) .
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Regular_Atheist said:
You yourself do seem to be an actual fascist though. You advocate some kind of “Third Positionist” anti-capitalist nationalism, attacking capitalism and liberalism from the right. You didn’t answer my question in the previous post.
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Still too vague. Plenty of people advocated government intervention in the economy pre-fascism and wrote about how a “free market” had deleterious effects on the culture. Nationalism was also a thing long before WWI and WWII. I still have yet to see an actual policy or clear explanation of a governmental structure that could be uniquely fascist. This is in contrast to monarchies, republics, democracies, communism, socialism and capitalism.
Do you believe that fascism in Italy and Germany were necessary measures against the rise of communism?
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I think it was the inevitable counter to the communist coups, degeneracy, economic desperation that were affecting all of Europe. Someone was going to fight, Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler (later Pinochet) just happened to be the first.
 
JonNC said:
Really. So, you think we have less freedom today than the colonists did.
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As I recall, King George wanted the Americans to pay a 3 pence tax on a pound of tea and sent the Redcoats out to enforce it. He did not think drag queen story hour was a necessity.

At the end of the day, politics is downstream of culture. A virtuous man will always be free in a righteous culture no matter what the government looks like. Freedom is not an end in itself, it is a means.
Your rhetoric sounds like an authoritarian
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People need authority to establish order, so what exactly is your point?
 
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