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Are there? I haven’t met any. Perhaps where you live it’s different. Maybe the local government isn’t doing a good job?
Florida's GOP gubernatorial nominee says a vote for his black opponent would 'monkey this up'
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Anti-intellectualism seems to be making a huge comeback these days. Kind of like Aerosmith did a while back.
Nice to see the old acts go on tour again.
Nice to see the old acts go on tour again.
Venezuela. East Germany. Cambodia. USSR, Cuba, North Korea.JonNC:
Socialism is an awful system of economics
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Yes, yes, we all know that.
Doesn’t mean that the humanities are worthless, or that we don’t need historians. As well as poets and artists and art historians and philosophers.
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Well we do have a Dem Governor and Mayor of Denver so yeah thTs probably not helping matters any.However this is t a regional issue its across the board
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Your impression of my tone is not proper matter for posting. But I deleted the post.
But then you run into the problem of huge sampling errors that make it essentially impossible to test hypotheses.
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Jeanne_S
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Well then clarify for me just exactly what you. Rant by that comment
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Jeanne_S
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Ahh therein lies the issue.Vouchers by way of allowing parents tax credits towards a school of their choice would open the doors for many who otherwise wouldn’t be able to attend anything other than a public school.
Gotta wonder why the Dems are so opposed to this option.Oh wait rhetorical question…they are in the back pocket of the teachers’ union,that’s why!
Gotta wonder why the Dems are so opposed to this option.Oh wait rhetorical question…they are in the back pocket of the teachers’ union,that’s why!
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I mean that the inference drawn about the quality of private schools lacks sufficient number of observations to attach any kind of general reliability, i.e., proof, to it.
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I don’t think that anyone teaches that the countries had anything economies that failed to deliver.
Who is touting them as models?
LeafByNiggle
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Many…how many? All? 80%? I am asking you for the third time, when has a private school system ever benefited as large a proportion of the population better than a public school system? When? Where?
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You know, we could actually have a serious conversation about the merits and drawbacks of vouchers, but it’s impossible when it starts like this. I don’t think you’re interested in a serious conversation, just kind of ranting about the “Dems.”
Too bad. Actual real conversations often lead to mutual understanding, good compromises, and even winning a convert once in a while.
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Actually Colorado has a specific problem. And it isn’t that too many students are taking majors that some would-be central planners find useless. You may like to read about the Colorado paradox:
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How does this work for those (many) who don’t make enough to be subject to federal income tax (Mitt Romney’s infamous 47%)? For them, is it a cash grant? Does this work on the federal level, or the state level? How is the amount of the credit or grant determined? Is the money redistributed this way taken from the school budget? How do we then fund public schools?
Are we still going to need state and federal departments of education to ensure that the schools that will no doubt open up (including for-profit schools, which are a whole issue in and of themselves) to reap that voucher money are up to standards? Are there going to be standards? Who determines the standards?
Why are unions such a terrible thing (other than the fact that they often endorse the more pro-labor, or at least less anti-labor, of our two major political parties)? It’s undeniable that unions played a major role in the building of the American middle class, and absolutely helped to make America great (something I would expect a Trump supporter to get behind wholeheartedly). Seems to me they are a very, very good thing.
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Unions served a purpose back in the day .They for the most part have overstayed their welcome.When they become a behemoth like the teachers union( largest union in the country) they exert a lot of clout,oftentimes,to the benefit of those they represent yet the losers n this are the kids .I find it reprehensible that teachers can walk put sometimes for weeks at a time leaving students in the lurch,all because they want and crease n pay.Nurses aren’t allowed to do this why are teachers? Add to that,I think the tenure aspect lends itself to mediocrity.Again the children are the losers n this situation.
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LeafByNiggle
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Congratuations on deflecting the discussion to a discussion of unions. How far down this rabbit hole will this discussion go?
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Given that wage stagnation is now a fact everyone has to deal with, I’d say that unions are far from unwelcome, and in fact we desperately need to reverse the downward trend of unionization and get out there and organize more workplaces.
In the case of teachers’ unions in particular, I’d say that in many places, given that teachers generally have graduate degrees, much like an MBA or a JD, teachers are under-compensated. I don’t resent paying taxes (or private school tuition) so that my children have highly-qualified teachers. It’s no place to cheap out. My girls’ teachers contribute a heck of a lot more to society than some Wall Street type making $400K a year.
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Seemed natural – once they’re brought up, people are going to talk about it.
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LeafByNiggle
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Tsk, tsk. You fell for it. 
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Well, steer the conversation back to wherever you want it, then.
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