Florida's GOP gubernatorial nominee says a vote for his black opponent would 'monkey this up'

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I’ll do my best, but these things do tend to have a life of their own.

By the way, my “congratulations” was to Jeanne, not you. But somehow your post got inbetween. I can see how my post could be misinterpretted.
 
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It can stop here as far as I’m concerned.Debating issues on this Forum become exercises in futility.Pretty much a waste of time IMO.I regret getting lured back into the tedium of it all.Really pointless.
 
It can stop here as far as I’m concerned.Debating issues on this Forum become exercises in futility.Pretty much a waste of time IMO.I regret getting lured back into the tedium of it all.Really pointless.
A little less ranting about “Dems” and a little more thoughtful exposition of your ideas and you might actually find that people are interested in hearing what you have to say.
 
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JonNC:
Venezuela. East Germany. Cambodia. USSR, Cuba, North Korea.
Socialism is an awful system of economics
Yes, yes, we all know that.

Doesn’t mean that the humanities are worthless, or that we don’t need historians. As well as poets and artists and art historians and philosophers.
I didn’t say it did.
 
Bernie Sanders, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore and many others praised Chavez for his leadership and Venezuela’s economic achievements.
Except it was all a mirage. Venezuela sits atop the world’s largest proven oil reserves and Chavez cashed in on strong global oil prices. His socialist policies, meanwhile, caused dysfunction throughout the economy.
 
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Somewhere in my home I have a picture of me in Cuba, standing in front of a giant wall mural of Fidel and Che, with that slogan (Socialismo o Muerte) painted on the wall.

I put it on my brother’s Facebook page once in a while. He’s an ardent Trump supporter. It drives him insane with rage. Which I think is really funny.

I’m going to have to find it and start posting it here.
 
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Somewhere in my home I have a picture of me in Cuba, standing in front of a giant wall mural of Fidel and Che, with that slogan (Socialismo o Muerte) painted on the wall.

I put it on my brother’s Facebook page once in a while. He’s an ardent Trump supporter. It drives him insane with rage. Which I think is really funny.

I’m going to have to find it and start posting it here.
I am a firm believer in free speech. Having pictures of those two murderous thugs or what they believed is an important reminder of what people like Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez, Sanders, and Gillum want for America, not the murderous oppression (those socialism inevitably has to be authoritarian), but the economic catastrophe it always brings.
So, please yes, post them. And I will repost them.
And I won’t be angry
 
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I am a firm believer in free speech. Having pictures of those two murderous thugs or what they believed is an important reminder of what people like Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez, Sanders, and Gollum want for America, not the murderous oppression (those socialism inevitably has to be authoritarian), but the economic catastrophe it always brings.
So, please yes, post them. And I will repost them.
And I won’t be angry
Oh, please. You really think that Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (I have no idea who you mean by Gollum - is this some Lord of the Rings reference?) want American to become what Cuba or Venezuela are today?

I suspect that Bernie Sanders wants the same things for America and Americans that you do – peace, prosperity and security. He has some different ideas about how to get there, sure. And Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, too. She’s very young – she’ll grow up a bit after a term or two in the House.

And, no, I’m not going to post the picture here, because I’ve received threats via PM from some of our “conservative” posters here at CAF, and I’m hardly going to help them find me.
 
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Oh, please. You really think that Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (I have no idea who you mean by Gollum - is this some Lord of the Rings reference?) want American to become what Cuba or Venezuela are today?
It was a mistype of Gillum. I’ve corrected it.
If they really want socialism, what else am I to believe? This is what socialism brings.
I’ve never thought of Trump as being an intellectually gifted speaker, so while the bar is not particularly high, his most brilliant quote by far is: “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented“

In fact, it may be one of the most brilliant political quotes in a generation
I suspect that Bernie Sanders wants the same things for America and Americans that you do – peace, prosperity and security. He has some different ideas about how to get there, sure. And Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, too. She’s very young – she’ll grow up a bit after a term or two in the House.
By definition, socialism does not provide prosperity. By history, socialist states tend to be more violent and less peaceful. As for security, the greatest security comes from individual liberty, limited government, and free market capitalism.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez Is highly educated in economics and has still come to school ch erroneous conclusions. Perhaps you’re right, that her terrible conclusions are due to youthful inexperience and being easily influenced.
And, no, I’m not going to post the picture here, because I’ve received threats via PM from some of our “conservative” posters here at CAF, and I’m hardly going to help them find me.
Is it something you can PM to me that I can post without those thugs being able to trace it?
Let me put it out there: One is not a true conservative if one threatens others because of their beliefs. It is actually rather cowardly, in my view.
 
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Inisfallen:
Oh, please. You really think that Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (I have no idea who you mean by Gollum - is this some Lord of the Rings reference?) want American to become what Cuba or Venezuela are today?
It was a mistype of Gillum. I’ve corrected it.
If they really want socialism, what else am I to believe? This is what socialism brings.
…in some places. In other places, not so much.
I’ve never thought of Trump as being an intellectually gifted speaker, so while the bar is not particularly high, his most brilliant quote by far is: “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented“
How does Trump get to be an expert on what is “faithful” socialism? How would you like a Muslim telling you what it means to be a “faithful” Catholic?
By definition, socialism does not provide prosperity.
…claiming something “by definition” that is not in the definition.
By history, socialist states tend to be more violent and less peaceful.
Prove it. The general tendancy, that is, and not by citing examples, because we can cite examples pro and con until the cows come home.
As for security, the greatest security comes from individual liberty, limited government, and free market capitalism.
Economic security? It is a toss-up.
 
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How does Trump get to be an expert on what is “faithful” socialism? How would you like a Muslim telling you what it means to be a “faithful” Catholic?
They call themselves socialist… Then you could compare the points and try to make your case that Venezuela is not really socialist.
Oh, I quite agree that Venezuela is socialist. And so is Norway. Venezuela has a failing economy. Norway does not.
 
Why not indeed? Why not provide tuition-free college and pre-K education to all? It does no good to teach someone to fish if that person has no access to the water.
Why would any responsible Catholic or principled anyone want to have their tax dollars go to fund essentially post-modernist institutions, run by overpaid leftist administrators and instructed by teaching faculties that are made up of 90% socialist or progressivist atheists and agnostics where the mere mention of God, binary genders, conservative principles, morality, Christianity, the benefits of western civilization, or the existence of truth and reason could very likely get you failed, or much worse?

Case in point: You would be laughed out of the majority of university classrooms if you said what you posted a few posts back: “The only sure way to judge good and evil is through the teachings of the Church and the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the law written into our hearts by God.”

And you want our tax dollars to fund such institutions where our children would have the opportunity, FOR FREE, mind you, of being de-Christianized, de-Catholicized and secularized, and indoctrinated into far left pathologies?

Give your head a shake.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
How does Trump get to be an expert on what is “faithful” socialism? How would you like a Muslim telling you what it means to be a “faithful” Catholic?
They call themselves socialist… Then you could compare the points and try to make your case that Venezuela is not really socialist.
Oh, I quite agree that Venezuela is socialist. And so is Norway. Venezuela has a failing economy. Norway does not.
The only reason Norway does not have a failing economy is that the people there are smart enough to keep their economy a market based capitalist one.

Norway is a free market economy with some social programs. That is a mixed political system, at best. It is not purely socialist. Venezuela was pretty much that. Which is why it is failing.
 
In addition to HarryStotle’s point, Norway is a high trust, high-iq society with its defense subsidized by the United States.
 
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Jeanne_S:
It is proven right here in the good old USA.My daughters are proof of what comes out of a private school education.
You missed the point. Where has a private school system benefitted the whole nation, not just the few who are fortunate enough to have access to it? That has not happened here because very few do have access to free private schooling.
To be fair, it has never been allowed to benefit the whole nation, has it?

How about education vouchers that permit parents to choose their school, and by so doing put a little incentive into the delivery of education?

As it is, the more that California, for example, spends public monies on education the worse the students perform.

Kind of makes you rethink the idea of throwing money at it until it is completely free, no?

You know what happens when most people have things just handed to them? They tend to view those things as worthless.
 
I suspect that Bernie Sanders wants the same things for America and Americans that you do – peace, prosperity and security. He has some different ideas about how to get there, sure. And Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, too. She’s very young – she’ll grow up a bit after a term or two in the House.
Like Canada’s Mr Trudeau, who is young, and likely won’t grow up before the country is in receivership. That will probably only take one term (and not two) in the House (of Parliament.)

As someone said in a comment box I read somewhere: That’s what we get for voting a head of hair into the office of Prime Minister.

You really should watch Kevin’s take on the “monkey” comment of DeSantis…


Apparently Kevin himself was told not to monkey around when he was young. So now he’s left with quandary of not knowing (but only suspecting) that his grandfather might have been a racist since his grandfather was directly speaking to a black man (Kevin) when he used the monkey reference.
 
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This is a little more nuanced than your original claim, :
My ‘original claim’ as you quoted it was neither original nor a claim. It was a question asking for your response and it was included in a set of several other questions in response to your statement about blacks voting for the Democrats. You didn’t engage with those questions but ran to the politically correct cowardice of trying to see the other as racist. exactly the same way that certain talking heads on CNN cowardly tried to make the discussion of this thread about Republican racism. This is what you guys do and it ridiculously insane and predictable.

This underpins the whole discussion here because this is what so many Democrats do.

In order to get into the nuance you have to have a dialogue so that we can discuss things in detail.

The politically correct offense taking is running away from that nuanced discussion.

If you now want to get to the discussion instead of the pc cowardice then that is a move forward. So back to the discussion.

The population percentage of blacks in the south was/is much larger than than that of the north so the issues are different and different again depending on the timeline. The north also had a great history of Republican anti slavery.

The Democrats in the north were converted before the Democrats in the south as you would expect. It is a good thing that the Democratic position has changed on this both north and south.

It needs to do more though including stopping the automatic response to try and bring race into the discussion and fantasize blame.
 
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