Florida's new wild west gun law

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De Maria:
Excellent thread.

I wonder, how would we feel if our priests packed guns?

I know of at least on priest who does. I believe Father Corapi was recently receiving death threats and he responded that his Magnum awaited whomever would try to kill him. He also requested our prayers that it wouldn’t come to that.

Sincerely,

De Maria
About seven or eight years ago, the Diocese of Austin (Texas) celebrated its 50th anniversary. The Austin American-Statesman ran a great special on the Catholic Church in Texas that Sunday. Among the photographs they showed were a band of circuit riding priests in the 1880s, called "Cavalry for Christ.

Texas in those days was full of bandits, wild indians, and people who just plain didn’t like Catholics. The priests were photographed on horseback, facing the camera, each with a Colt revolver and a Winchester rifle.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
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Isidore_AK:
Its all in the degree of violence used. Enough to neutralize the target is required. You want to stop the attacker as quickly as possible, the fastest way to do that is to kill the target…not shoot at their legs or anything else because:
  1. You’d probably miss, then get killed,
  2. A wounded target is often more dangerous.
  3. Its just stupid, aim center of mass.
Correct.
 
“Ye-yaw! Ya’ll get to have lots and lots of guns! How do we stop gun violence? Give 'em more guns!”

Classic conservative logic. This is a flawed bill, and gun-packing Republicans love to push gun un-control laws. Now, you don’t have to wait to shoot. Just hide your gun and pull it out. All those street brawls between kids, crazy adults at sports games, and just people looking to ‘defend’ themselves? Hardly. Gun-control is extremely important.

P.S. Lance, you support Bush, and you are telling someone to “worry about whats going on on your side of the ocean”? Define hypocrisy and then get back to me.
 
Catholicvegan said:
“Ye-yaw! Ya’ll get to have lots and lots of guns! How do we stop gun violence? Give 'em more guns!”

Classic conservative logic. This is a flawed bill, and gun-packing Republicans love to push gun un-control laws. Now, you don’t have to wait to shoot. Just hide your gun and pull it out. All those street brawls between kids, crazy adults at sports games, and just people looking to ‘defend’ themselves? Hardly. Gun-control is extremely important.

P.S. Lance, you support Bush, and you are telling someone to “worry about whats going on on your side of the ocean”? Define hypocrisy and then get back to me.

If you were right, then violent crime would go UP when gun laws are liberalized.

But that’s not what happens – violent crime goes DOWN.
 
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Catholicvegan:
“Ye-yaw! Ya’ll get to have lots and lots of guns! How do we stop gun violence? Give 'em more guns!”
Umm…were talking actual responsible gun ownership. Not crazy loony liberal gun ownership…like John ‘I have a Chinese assault rifle’ Kerry…
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Catholicvegan:
Classic conservative logic. This is a flawed bill, and gun-packing Republicans love to push gun un-control laws. Now, you don’t have to wait to shoot. Just hide your gun and pull it out.
Umm, NO. We’re discussing (mainly) people who legally carry concealed (something which requires adherance to strict ‘gun-control’ in the two handed sense), and not gang-banging punks who toss a pistol down their pants…
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Catholicvegan:
All those street brawls between kids, crazy adults at sports games, and just people looking to ‘defend’ themselves? Hardly. Gun-control is extremely important.
Again…its already illegal for the ‘kids’ to own firearms. Same for criminals. The only people that gun control laws affect are us law-abiding types who aren’t going to use them to commit a crime in the first place…

Also, check out St Gabriel Possenti.
…hopefully he will be made the patron Saint of handgunners.

njguns.com/gabe.htm
 
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Isidore_AK:
Also, check out St Gabriel Possenti.
…hopefully he will be made the patron Saint of handgunners.
Wonderful man. As a seminarian, his town was attacked by a band of Garibaldi’s men.

Grabbing two pistols, he defended the townspeople from the marauders. More specifically, he shot a lizard in half as it was scooting between the feet of the lead bandit.

The sight of the fearless, armed and expert marksman seminarian in front of them caused the bandits to flee.

He sets a great example for all Catholics who seek to defend the helpless. I have his medal embossed on my concealed carry holster.
 
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Brendan:
He sets a great example for all Catholics who seek to defend the helpless. I have his medal embossed on my concealed carry holster.
Thats a great idea! Mind if I steal it…? I could inset his medal into the grips of my 1911…ooh I like that! 😃
 
Catholicvegan said:
" How do we stop gun violence? Give 'em more guns!"

CV,

I have a question for you. Would you attack someone you knew was armed. Do you know anyone would would deliberately attack someone they knew was armed?

As has been shown, every state that enacted concealed carry had a reduction in crime.

Every jurisdiction that ever enacted stricter gun control had an increase in crime.

Do you see why? Criminals will always be armed. Making a gun requires less technical skill than making crack cocaine, and can be done using equiment available at any Home Depot by anyone who ever paid attention in HS shop class.

If you tossed every gun in the world into the sun and shut down every gun company, I can guarantee that criminals will have new ones within a week. And there would be no one to stop them.

heck, I’d probably make a new one myself, just to defend my family.
 
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Isidore_AK:
Thats a great idea! Mind if I steal it…? I could inset his medal into the grips of my 1911…ooh I like that! 😃
Since it’s a 1911, I will permit it, and even forgo my standard royalty fee 😉

I also do some historical re-enacting, and have a ‘cut in half lizard’ carved into the grip of my wheellock pistol, again in honor of St. Gabe.
 
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Brendan:
Since it’s a 1911, I will permit it, and even forgo my standard royalty fee 😉

I also do some historical re-enacting, and have a ‘cut in half lizard’ carved into the grip of my wheellock pistol, again in honor of St. Gabe.
Very very cool. Do you have any pics?
Now I just have to find a catalog that has St Gabe’s medal in it…
 
I remember when Fla. first considered allowing concealed weapon carry. All the liberals and the appointed police chiefs did the same thing they are doing now, trying to whip people into a frenzy using faulty logic and stupid slogans. Well, guess what? The bloodbath they predicted when the started letting people carry guns NEVER happened :tsktsk: . In fact, most states followed Florida’s example and allow their citizenry to carry concealed, much to the amazement of liberals, there are no shootouts by honest people suddenly possessed by evil gun spirits.

As far as being the bringing back the Wild West…

GOOD! :clapping:

If liberals actually read history books instead of trying to rewrite them, they would know that the per capita incidents of weapon crimes was actually LOWER in the Old West than it is in a major city in the 21st Century America. I live in Wichita, Ks. One of the cowtowns, like Dodge City (which is not too far away), and we were considered to be such a wicked town, back in the day, that the Methodist Church refused to send Bibles here because they thought it would be a waste of time! :bigyikes: Having studied the old newspapers, history books, and taken classes at the local university, I can tell you the crime rate is much, much higher now than it was in days gone by. Wyatt Earp, who used to be a police officer here, would probably be shocked at how far we have sunk since the old days.
 
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Isidore_AK:
Very very cool. Do you have any pics?
Now I just have to find a catalog that has St Gabe’s medal in it…
I don’t have a pic of my wheellock, but here’s one from the supplier

albion-small-arms.freeserve.co.uk/ASAGraphics/502a.jpg

And here’s an Elizabethan Snaphaunce that I made
home.comcast.net/~bnewell100460/images/snaphaunce2.JPG

I machined the lock and carved the stock, I did custom order the barrel, I didn’t want it to explode in my face.

I took it out hunting 2 years ago and got a nice buck.
 
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Styree:
I remember when Fla. first considered allowing concealed weapon carry. All the liberals and the appointed police chiefs did the same thing they are doing now, trying to whip people into a frenzy using faulty logic and stupid slogans. Well, guess what? The bloodbath they predicted when the started letting people carry guns NEVER happened :tsktsk: . In fact, most states followed Florida’s example and allow their citizenry to carry concealed, much to the amazement of liberals, there are no shootouts by honest people suddenly possessed by evil gun spirits.
Whenever another state takes up the debate over liberalized concealed carry laws, the same patten is followed:
  1. Liberals scream and predict bloodbaths, shootouts over parking spaces, etc.
  2. The media reports the predictions, but NEVER asks why these horrible things didn’t happen in the OTHER 37 states that have liberalized concealed carry laws.
  3. When the law passes, the liberals publicly announce they will keep track of EVERY crime due to the new law.
  4. The liberals accuse gunowners of CHEATING, failing to do what the liberals predicted (we all know they WANT to, right? They’re just NOT doing it to make liberals look bad!!)
  5. Dead silence. "We don’t want to talk about it!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
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Brendan:
I don’t have a pic of my wheellock, but here’s one from the supplier

albion-small-arms.freeserve.co.uk/ASAGraphics/502a.jpg

And here’s an Elizabethan Snaphaunce that I made
home.comcast.net/~bnewell100460/images/snaphaunce2.JPG

I machined the lock and carved the stock, I did custom order the barrel, I didn’t want it to explode in my face.

I took it out hunting 2 years ago and got a nice buck.
You must have been at the Infantry School after me – when I was there, they were still debating that gunpowder thing.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
hmmm, seems to me that folks across the ocean think us americans just whip out guns like candy bars…

I for one am all for guns! I am not for idiots with guns. And no that is not the same thing. Anyone who thinks to bring a gun into their home should have at least 12 training sessions and keep up their training at least every 6 months, in my opinion. Training will not keep you from being scared, but it sure can help eliminate cases of “twitch triggers” and “damned stupid head shot himself in the foot” .

Although I’m well aware there are some people who are a little too trigger happy in the world - most of us gun owners are extremely aware of the value of life and would avoid killing if given the choice.

Now as a woman, I’ll tell you that this is my thought on the supossedly non-threatening burgular scenario.

It’s 2 am and I hear a noise from the dining room. Sounds like the backdoor being messed with?? I pick up my cell phone from the nightstand, dial 911 and say I’m going to see what this noise comming from the back is… and think how silly I’m going to feel explaining this to my husband when he gets back into town next week… then I hear it! The backdoor’s wood has split, someone’s broke the handle! I get my gun from — and walk to the bedroom door.

In my room behind me is the baby, in the 3 rooms across from me are 6 other sleeping little ones. This isn’t a ritzy neighborhood - we have nothing for this guy to use! I make a split second choice: if he enters the hallway, I’m going to shoot first and ask questions later. Then I see 2 black shadows turn to enter the hallway… I scream “RUN!” “GO AWAY!” as I go down the hallway to get between them and the first children’s bedroom door and then … I shoot! I shoot again! Are they dead? Are they on the run? Are they mad and comming at me?

I can wait for the police to grab them getting my t.v. - but my kids…my own person… this precious baby in my bed??? No way am I giving him even a moments chance to hurt them! And if I have to choose, it’ll be over his dead body rather than mine. My goal is going to be to stop him. Period. It just so happens that dead does that very well. Shoot him in the leg/arm you say? Let me tell you something about drugs - some drugs can get their system pumping so wild he may not even feel the bullet, much less stop beating the c**p out of me. Not to mention, you have to be a hell of a crack shot to get a moving target in the arm/leg in a moment of chaos while in survivor mode.

Now, tell me Fighting Fat, would you say I was wrong to assume the worst here? After all, their vary presence in my home is sinister to say the least! Most of these cases do not promote themselves to a dialog of “Hello there sirs! You must have the wrong house? No? Well, I guess if the electronics, jewlery, and cash is all you want it’s okay. I’ll just go tie my self up while you pack up. Oh and please be quiet could you? I wouldn’t want the children woken up. Thank you. Such nice young men you are. why, it’s just been a pleasure having you steal my property! I may not call it in at all! What?! You want rape me and kill any poor child that might wake up and see?!! Why that’s just horrible, if you don’t change your mind this instant - why, why… I’ll just have to shoot you in the shoulder!”

I am not prone to the “shoot first and let God sort them” attitude, but common sense says you should be able to defend yourself, family, and property - blind trust that help will arrive in the nick of time is just stupid. That a fickle government will always seek the common good of it’s people has been historicly proven wrong too many times to count. And the less able to defend themselves those people are - the more brutish the govenments were in their treatments.

If those men turn and run out of the house, I’ll be weeping glad to see them gone and thrilled to let the police go get them and have the law run it’s course (which I would hope to be considerable and deterring punishment!). But if not, I’m not going to just sit and watch my family suffer until some one else decides it’s worth the trouble to help.

Just another perspective from a just another american gal…
 
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FightingFat:
Then you know, grasshopper, there is no defense against gun-fu, the most powerful martial art of all!
😛
We call it “click pow” and they have to have it in hand to use it… I don’t let 'em get it out…and within arms reach…i may get deafened, but I won’t get dead. 😉
 
Gun. Backup. Knife. Whatever is handy. THEN karate. In that order. 😃
 
Sometimes I find myself distressed by the attitudes of posters here. I have to say that this has been the most distressing series of posts I have experienced on CA. I can’t reconcile this pro-gun attitude with my own faith. I am frankly shocked that some have posted on this thread about a Patron Saint of gun-handlers, and priests who tote weapons.

I think there is an argument for self defense, wouldn’t argue that, but I cannot believe that meeting violence with violence is a way forward for humanity. Violence on this sort of level is not something I have had cause to seriously contemplate. I have always been brought up that it is wrong to kill someone- to take a life. I do not think, ‘given these circumstances I would feel justified in taking a life…’ I just think that I would not. If I were killed as a consequence of that decision I will hope that I meet my heavenly Father with a sound conscience. I find myself uncomfortable and deeply saddened that we have such incredibly different views and yet are all members of the one Church.
 
FightingFat,
All I can tell you is that in very many cases there is no choice but to meet violence with force, but because I come from a Japanese self-defense style I know that the real meaning of Budo is the way to end fighting…the way to end war. It’s not about killing, though the techniques are there. The important thing is to meet violence with a reasoned response if possible and avoid injury to myself and those I love or am responsible for (the weak, helpless, the old) and if at all possible avoid the death or serious injury of the attacker. Force is applied in a measured way for protection because every real martial artist…or real man/woman, for that matter, knows that they will have to find a way to live with what they do in that situation. there is no joy to the good soul in harming another…but there is much less joy and a great deal more shame if I allow an innocent to suffer because I do nothing. I, personally, could not live with that.
Pax vobiscum,
 
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