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Victoria33
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Voting for a person, not a policy? Alrighty…
I reject too, your characterizations of my words, now this is confusing the words. I never used “must”, etc. etc.
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Follow up question: What voting issue could possibly outweigh the murder of millions of unborn babies?
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I reject too, your characterizations of my words, now this is confusing the words. I never used “must”, etc. etc.
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Nepperhan
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Out here on the prairie they are having an election for county recorder of deeds. I don’t think I should worry about a person’s stance on abortion before voting in that election.
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TheLittleLady
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Here is my (likely unpopular with many) opinion. Local races are often where a person is introduced to the constituents and to the county level party leaders. These offices are used as stepping stones to larger, more powerful offices. State offices are often those that have the most actual impact on you or me as citizens.
For that reason, and because the candidates for these small offices are far more reachable, they are likely to return your phone call or make an appointment to sit down with you, I WANT to know their positions on the big issues.
For that reason, and because the candidates for these small offices are far more reachable, they are likely to return your phone call or make an appointment to sit down with you, I WANT to know their positions on the big issues.
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Ridgerunner
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Things might have changed, but back when I was chairman of a party committee, the candidates were expected to contribute to the party twice in close succession; once upon filing and once upon being elected. Then they were expected to contribute annually.
So if your recorder is a Democrat, he/she will be contributing to the abortion candidates up the food chain.
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RuthAnne
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My experience with this sort of thing is that the candidates who you actually talk to seem to get memory losses when it comes time to vote on the issues.
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Yes, and this medium (the internet) is very “cold” even without the outside influences and interferences of the evil one – and it can fail to convey the nuances of meaning that face-to-face talking can convey.
But I must add - the abortion issue is not, to me, a political matter. It is a moral issue, a religious issue, a spiritual issue that deals with the most helpless and vulnerable of human persons - each one created in the image and likeness of God, and intended by God for happiness here and now, and for eternity with Him and all His people. We must supply a voice for these, the truly voiceless and dependent.
But I must add - the abortion issue is not, to me, a political matter. It is a moral issue, a religious issue, a spiritual issue that deals with the most helpless and vulnerable of human persons - each one created in the image and likeness of God, and intended by God for happiness here and now, and for eternity with Him and all His people. We must supply a voice for these, the truly voiceless and dependent.
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Victoria33
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My experience is Planned Parenthood has set aside millions ($50 million?) to fight pro-life politicians while the Susan B Anthony list has set aside $35 million, a well known pro-life organization, in favor of pro-life politicians.
So, I’ll follow the money. I don’t know what is to be expected when some have said they don’t vote to begin with.
I vote for candidates, I am very happy with the many pro-life accomplishments they have.
In case you ask, only 1 clinic in some states like Missouri and Mississippi and others. If you need more, I’ll be glad to provide.
So, I’ll follow the money. I don’t know what is to be expected when some have said they don’t vote to begin with.
I vote for candidates, I am very happy with the many pro-life accomplishments they have.
In case you ask, only 1 clinic in some states like Missouri and Mississippi and others. If you need more, I’ll be glad to provide.
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Nepperhan
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That seems a little attenuated. Many states still have execution laws. So paying taxes in those states is supporting execution?
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Peeps
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Of course no one asks about politics. But they do ask if you are pro-life (anti-abortion). The answer is generally a huge clue as to political party.
In our city, the women who are active in politics are fairly well-known because they are out there organizing rallies and marches, giving speeches at those rallies and marches, running websites and Facebook pages, writing op-eds for the local newspapers, and getting interviewed for local political shows on radio and television.
There is a very clear divide between those who are Republican and pro-life, and those who are Democrat and pro-choice-to-abort. It’s obvious. There’s no need to ask.
I try to stay on the good side of the Democrats/liberals, but I have a very very hard time tolerating those who believe that killing a baby should ever be an option. On the other hand, should a debate come up in a restaurant or public place, I will not stand by politely and allow pro-choice Democrats to spew their lies about the science of human development. And I’m not worried–they’re supposed to be the “tolerant, accepting, loving political party” and I remind them of that!
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TheLittleLady
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Then I will hope you pray hard about the loopholes that are all the rage with Republicans.
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Aquinas11
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No, USCCB is politically compromised. Received over $2 BILLION in Government funding (largely to push Democrat policies) means Catholics cannot rely on them for Catholic teaching on abortion. You can’t receive $2 BILLION from politicians and remain politically neutral.
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Victoria33
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They aren’t a rage with Republicans. It’s just reality and everyone knows that. Politics is the art of compromise. You want some perfect anti-abortion bills while I have witnessed you find fault with the Republicans, I earnestly think that above, when someone is pointing out the nurses might have committed manslaughter and again, that one statement in the past about if one was not able to procure an abortion, they’d just go to the next country. The Republicans certainly don’t have anything to prove. They have given it their best. I think your viewpoints are what are questionable.
There are human beings involved. Maybe 2 female Senators vote for funding planned parenthood. It happens, it’s a struggle. It sounds like you just think it can be done with a magic wand.
If I used this “loopholes” to find fault with others, I could find a lot.
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Victoria33
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Senator Tom Cotton. We’re getting closer and closer. At least, we should not have brutal laws for the full term of the pregnancy, things like that.
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Peeps
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I pray that God’s righteousness will be “rule” of our country.
But I don’t give up on others when they aren’t “Jesus” and get everything right as He does.
I DO give up on others when they make it clear that they will walk away from God’s righteousness if it doesn’t agree with their self-created definition of righteousness.
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Yes, I have heard this assertion made before, mainly about immigration policy, I am for aiding refugees in a reasonable way.
Infanticide doesn’t make your list that some in one party have been said to be supporting like Buttigieg, Northram and so on? Just claiming loopholes? Er. Okay.
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20 weeks is half way through out pregnancy.
Most abortions happen in the first trimester.
Most abortions happen in the first trimester.
Amy Klobuchar is marginally, just marginally, more desirable than most of the other Democratic primary candidates — at least has a door open to pro-life voters, isn’t “too old to be President” (she’s my age, that’d better not be too old to throw in the towel on life!
), and would be a middle-American, Midwestern foil to Trump, whereas Bernie and Mike Bloomberg are just two other, ahem, blunt-spoken New Yorkers. I have already given Tulsi too much of my support (made two very modest campaign contributions and have two bumper stickers on my car!) to turn my back on her now — the least-objectionable Democratic candidate with a few conservative and libertarian credentials — but if not for that, I’d be very tempted to vote for Amy. I just took it for granted that she was Catholic (Slovenian American), but apparently not — is she a fallen-away, or has she always been Protestant? Anyone know?
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Victoria33
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I looked up her wikipedia bio the other day in fact, she is “Church of Christ”, guess who else has been Church of Christ? Obama and Judge William Rehnquist. And for that matter, Jackie Robinson, read the wiki article on the Church of Christ.Amy Klobuchar is marginally, just marginally, more desirable than most of the other Democratic primary candidates — at least has a door open to pro-life voters, isn’t “too old to be President” (she’s my age, that’d better not be too old to throw in the towel on life!
There, I went ahead and pulled it up… you can read, she has a lot of Swiss in her, I think that name may well be Swiss… it doesn’t sound very Slavic. But yes, she is half Slovenian and the article says that.
Amy is pretty nice, I’ve got my litmus test but I’ve already reviewed this, she is a bit reasonable.
As for Bloomberg, I’m not going to put him down, apparently, he can make the trains run on time. He can build an economy. He is good at that.
For all the Democrats, none can I vote for in a general election unless they seriously overhaul their pro-life outlook, they are run by Planned Parenthood in this regards, I’m not kidding, former Planned Parenthood workers are on a lot of staffs of Senators and Representatives. Senator Tina Smith, MN was a Planned Parenthood director even.
So, I think a lot of the Democrats like Bloomberg and Klobuchar are basically nice and good people but I have fundamental differences. But Amy is nice, I don’t object to Tulsi.
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To address the OP’s thread title, the only way we could ever prefer a pro-choice candidate over a candidate who opposes abortion, is if that candidate embraced a stance that is equally or more offensive. Purely hypothetical situations might be if a “pro-life” candidate advocated rounding up illegal immigrants and putting them in concentration camps to an uncertain end (think “ethnic cleansing” or, worse yet, the Holocaust), or advocated playing fast-and-loose with the possibility of using our nuclear arsenal (“winnable nuclear war”), some wild-eyed warhorse who would be willing to use a first strike against a hegemonic adversary.
Keep in mind that no one is forced to have an abortion, and at least up until now, taxpayers generally haven’t been asked to pay for it. Theoretically, if the entire populace were pro-life, and nobody resorted to abortion, then whether it is legal or not, or whether the law is silent on it or not, would be of no importance.
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