Follow up question: What voting issue could possibly outweigh the murder of millions of unborn babies?

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Sure, hon. He hates white supremacists so much that he has Steven Miller in the White House and attended his wedding. They hate him so much that he gets regular praise from David Duke and the neo-nazi leader.
David Duke? Big fan of Tulsi, Omar and so on and the Trump administration certainly is not for eliminating about half of the black population with birth control policies and funding Planned Parenthood clinics all over minority neighborhoods.

Steven Miller? Desperation.
 
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Jesus had a posse committing infantaside but fortunately Egypt must have had proto-Democrats in leadership. Lol. They welcomed the stranger and he grew into a young man there
 
The SCOTUS would overturn Roe v. Wade
if the majority of those who Opine in accordance to their legal Whimsy
give Abortion the Thumbs Down

Abortion is Murder of babes in the Womb.

The Prince of this world - and those who follow his lead - peddle, support, promote, nudge - Death.
None of this is actually addressing my point at all.
Actually, indirectly it does… 🙂

Since it connects with the OP - It’s important for all to know this… .
 
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That seems a little attenuated. Many states still have execution laws. So paying taxes in those states is supporting execution?
If you support a candidate who votes to preserve execution, you’re supporting execution as a remedy for whatever crimes it’s provided for.
 
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Jesus had a posse committing infantaside but fortunately Egypt must have had proto-Democrats in leadership. Lol. They welcomed the stranger and he grew into a young man there
Freedom of movement was permissible all over the Roman Empire. Are you saying Octavian was a Democrat?
 
Sure, hon. He hates white supremacists so much that he has Steven Miller in the White House and attended his wedding. They hate him so much that he gets regular praise from David Duke and the neo-nazi leader.
Still, Democrats keep blacks in crime-infested, poverty in all the major cities, providing only abortion as the “remedy”. So, as between having some racist say he supports you and actually keeping an entire race down, the former is less blameworthy, particularly since Trump has no control over that.

And just because the fascist Southern Policy Law Center has “interpreted” some of Miller’s writings as “racist”, it doesn’t mean that’s what they really are. Outfits like SPLC “interpret” everything that isn’t hard left as “racist”.
 
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TheLittleLady:
American Catholics are to turn to the USCCB
No, USCCB is politically compromised. Received over $2 BILLION in Government funding (largely to push Democrat policies) means Catholics cannot rely on them for Catholic teaching on abortion. You can’t receive $2 BILLION from politicians and remain politically neutral.
You would rather sow distrust in God’s appointed shepherds of the Church than lose a political battle? . . .
 
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Though they are our shepherds the amount of federal money they take is worrying.
 
Though they are our shepherds the amount of federal money they take is worrying.
I think it is comforting that the US government is in agreement with at least some of the Catholic values these grants support. In some countries the Catholic Church does not even get permission to build churches, let alone grants to administer charitable works.
 
Though they are our shepherds the amount of federal money they take is worrying.
I agree. While I am sure there are some very worthwhile works the various Church organizations perform in using this money, some of them are, to me, pretty questionable. Given that Democrats control much of government, now including the “power of the purse”, the likelihood is that distrust ought to be there.

I will grant that some of my state’s programs that benefit Church organizations are pretty good. Tax credits for donations supporting “birthing homes” for women in danger of abortion are one of them.
 
This wasn’t directed to me, but…
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  1. reinstated and broadened the Mexico City policy, among others
You mean the policy that studies indicate actually increases abortions?
DEFINE_ME
It is a tad misleading to claim the policy of non-funding “actually increases abortions.” Besides the fact that the paper you referenced uses very tenuous language like “could have the unintended consequences of…,” the truth is that directly funding abortion is evil, and that while other ‘forces’ then become militant in support of abortion, it isn’t very truthful to claim that abortion ought to be funded because if it isn’t the other sources of funding will be forced to provide the funding.

In any case, I suppose your overall case is that because the Republicans haven’t done everything they ought, then we ought to throw our lot to the side that does everything to force taxpayers to pay for abortions and to oppose even the most reasonable of measures such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act and the Born Alive Abortions Survivors Protection Act, which Democrats virtually unanimously (exceptions Manchin and Jones for the latter) voted down, while Republicans voted unanimously for (exceptions Collins and Murkowski against the first)
Both Collins and Murkowski voted with Democrats against the Republican-backed Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, while Democratic Sens. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Doug Jones of Alabama voted with Republicans on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.
Source: Here Are The Two Republicans Who Voted Against Protecting Unborn Babies After 20 Weeks | The Daily Caller
It ought to be noted that Republicans have been Democrats lite from Reagan until Trump, while Trump has given Republicans something resembling a spine since being elected. He deserves a chance to follow through on his stronger pro-life position and, hopefully, will win a majority in both the House and Senate in November.

After that point we can see which side will howl the loudest regarding what Trump has or has not accomplished.
 
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In any case, I suppose your overall case is that because the Republicans haven’t done everything they ought, then we ought to throw our lot to the side that does everything to force taxpayers to pay for abortions and to oppose even the most reasonable of measures such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act and the Born Alive Abortions Survivors Protection Act, which Democrats virtually unanimously (exceptions Manchin and Jones for the latter) voted down, while Republicans voted unanimously for (exceptions Collins and Murkowski against the first)
No, the Democrats are bad too. My argument is to forget both of those parties and support the American Solidarity Party instead.
 
Hey that’s who I’m planning on voting for! Cool to see someone else here even knows about them. 🙂
 
No, the Democrats are bad too. My argument is to forget both of those parties and support the American Solidarity Party instead.
Well, no. The Democrats and Republicans are NOT equally bad on the abortion issue.

The question of whether their relative goodness or badness ought to make a reasonable person go to a third party instead, requires you making a case, not merely unilaterally declaring that they are “equally bad.”

You seem unable to admit that there are differences, so you haven’t exactly shown yourself to be a credible case-maker.
 
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That is an opinion that I could never accept. Rejection of Church authority over politics does not seem Catholic. If you claim our bishops are teaching wrong doctrine on abortion, which it sounds like, that would be the sin of slander, so I will have to assume I misunderstood you.

I would hope that all Catholics are more willing to listen to the USCCB over internet posters, political pundits, or party leaders.
 
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Did someone say they were equally bad? I read through and might have missed it. The question for me each time is how bad does the better of the two have to be before I can no longer vote for such a person in good conscience.
 
Did someone say they were equally bad? I read through and might have missed it. The question for me each time is how bad does the better of the two have to be before I can no longer vote for such a person in good conscience.
In the assessment of “good” and “bad” I suppose we can only properly undertake it in “good conscience” when what is determinably good or bad gets separated from what is merely apparently so.

I wouldn’t trust the MSM to reliably determine what is either good or bad, and neither do I trust very much what the progressive left claims about those it maligns.

Now if you wish to elaborate on how we could know with certainty when some policy or behaviour is determinably bad for a polity as a whole rather than merely offends the palates of the current crop of progressive social behaviour moulders we might have something to discuss.

When those most offended by the “character” of their opposition are completely on board with killing off a sizeable portion of the next generation on the pretext that it is the “right” of potential care-givers to do so, I strongly suspect the entire moral compass of society has lost all grounding in reality.

So, again, I would appeal to the need to find some properly moral ground for determining with certainty the difference between what is determinably good or bad from the ersatz rendition that has taken hold in modern western society.
 
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I wouldn’t trust the MSM to reliably determine what is either good or bad, and neither do I trust very much what the progressive left claims about those it maligns.
I agree with this, though I also throw Republican politicians and pundits in there. Best just to stick with the Church for moral teaching. And just to clarify, totally rejecting the character of the current incumbent in no way necessitates being “completely on board” with abortion.
 
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How can any Catholic vote for a ProChoice candidate when a ProLife candidate is running?
BXVI answered that question when he was prefect pf DoF

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (the future Pope Benedict XVI), while he was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, addressed this question directly in a letter he wrote to a fellow cardinal.

And here’s what he said:

“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”

Here’s what this means: Catholics must oppose abortion, not simply morally but also politically; but a Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion politician as long as

(1) the Catholic does not support the politician’s pro-abortion position , and

(2) the Catholic has “proportionate reasons” for supporting the politician despite his pro-abortion position .
 
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