Follow up question: What voting issue could possibly outweigh the murder of millions of unborn babies?

[HarryStotle]

The Catholic position of no birth control and no abortion is simply not feasible.

The question of “feasibility” is one that rides on the nature of reality.

If God exists, and everything the Catholic Church teaches about God and morality is true, then your insistence that “no birth control and no abortion” is not a feasible position floats on absolutely no supporting truth except your insistence on the matter, which is, itself, not very feasible.

Ultimately, the question of feasibility depends ENTIRELY upon the nature of reality and the moral order underpinning that reality, all your declarations to the contrary notwithstanding.

As human beings we can think whatever we like and delude ourselves with all manner of justifications and excuses. What will count in the end is what is true in reality, not in our opinions.

 

[Elf01]

I have said many times I am not pro-abortion.

The rest of your post: I am pro abortion.

 

[Maximus1]

The SCOTUS would overturn Roe? When? They have a 5 to 4 now. They relied on Stare Decisis In the past.
There is no evidence after Goresch or Kavenaugh that SCOTUS justices make more difference on abortion at this point.

 

[EndTimes]

The SCOTUS would overturn Roe? When? They have a 5 to 4 now. They relied on Stare Decisis In the past.
There is no evidence after Goresch or Kavenaugh that SCOTUS justices make more difference on abortion at this point.

That’s sort of besides the point.

Were all 9 SCOTUS Justices Followers of JESUS - ABORTION would never have been Legalized

 

[Maximus1]

In 1973 the Baptist Convention was pro choice. So you may want to modify from " believers in Jesus to Catholics in 1973( when Roe was issued).
Whatever was in 1973 is meaningless to the abortion issue of today. Today, there seems to be 5 to 4 but no action yet.

 

[EndTimes]

In 1973 the Baptist Convention was pro choice. So you may want to modify from " believers in Jesus to Catholics in 1973( when Roe was issued).

Any so-called Christian

• such as Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians are indeed technically “Catholic”
  but that alone - does not equate to being Loyal to Catholic Teachings
  They are Guilty of Mortal Sin. .

IF the SCOTUS were populated by 9 Catholics - Totally Loyal to Catholicism,
Abortion would have never been legalized

Which is why the ProAbort ProSodomy Enemy ALWAYS works way overtime
, so as to ensure that GOD never achieves SCOTUS Majority
when it comes to making Laws for the US of A

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[pnewton]

Any so-called Christian

No true Scotsman?

 

[Elf01]

NOW - whether you agree with the above will work or not, you really would consider such a s person “PRO-GUN”?

Yes, I would.

 

[Ender]

The policy of denying access to abortion while claiming those that use birth control will burn in Hell for eternity simply is not a rational position.

The church has been quite clear that not everything that is immoral ought to be made illegal.

Were all 9 SCOTUS Justices Followers of JESUS - ABORTION would never have been Legalized

If they were followers of the Constitution abortion would never have been declared a protected right. Their religious views are irrelevant. One would expect a constitutional atheist to come to the same conclusions as a constitutional true believer.

 

[otjm]

You can’t educate the dead.

That, and a goodly number of the living, not to make too fine a point of your comment.

 

[otjm]

OK, consider this example: I hate guns.

I don’t hate guns. I am definitely concerned about the extremely small minority of people who misuse them, however. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) - hardly what one would classify as a conservative group of folks - was tasked to determine how often a gun was used in self defense (as in legal self defense) and review of their data came up with a number possibly as high as 500,000 times a year. Use in self defense includes all times an individual might use a gun without discharging it.

The police have no moral or legal duty to protect you, and they are rarely less than 5 minutes away when needed - for example, during a burglary of a home.

Your suggestions are not going to occur, for one simple reason; they are the means the liberals would (and if ever passed, will) use to violate our Second Amendment right to a firearm.

I understand Joe Biden made a comment recently about 150,000,000 people… as the total population is about 382 million, I have no clue as to his source. Clearly, it is not correct. Gun deaths in 2016 were approximately 38,000; of that, approximately 23,000 were suicides; approximately 14,000 were homicides (which includes self defense shootings - so not all were murders as might be presumed).

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

The policy of denying access to abortion while claiming those that use birth control will burn in Hell for eternity simply is not a rational position.

Since there are other alternatives it is logical. Amd if people don’t listen that just makes the original point you raise moot since it didn’t affect anything and says nothing about how logical it is.

If the Church realized birth control is not only a viable solution but also moral (or at least not immoral), it would be much easier to promote anti-abortion laws. Approximately 90% of Catholics don’t think birth control is morally wrong or even a moral issue. Why can’t the Church modify its position?

Birth control is already available and people use it anyways so the Church don’t have any negative impact on the issue.

Don’t you think that if pro-life people promoted birth control, sex education (along with abstinence), health care, support for the poor, support for foster care and adoption, women’s rights, and so on and so forth, it would be much easier to gradually implement anti-abortion laws?

I do think supporting mothers is a good idea and I completely supported it.

 

[Ender]

What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Church wants to keep birth control legal and available but at the same time claim its use is immoral?
How can anyone take such a position seriously?

Now human law is framed for a number of human beings, the majority of whom are not perfect in virtue. Wherefore human laws do not forbid all vices, from which the virtuous abstain, but only the more grievous vices, from which it is possible for the majority to abstain; and chiefly those that are to the hurt of others, without the prohibition of which human society could not be maintained: thus human law prohibits murder, theft and such like (Aquinas ST II-II 96, 2 ad 2)

 

[Elf01]

What do you mean by that? Are you saying the Church wants to keep birth control legal and available but at the same time claim its use is immoral?

Isn’t that what you claim to think about abortion?

 

[EndTimes]

If they were followers of the Constitution abortion would never have been declared a protected right

It’s not the Constitution… It’s the OPINION of the Constitution…

Justices are empowered to opine however they will

The DP has been legal … .illegal . legal.

Which Very Obviously is Why

– It’s the IDEOLOGICAL LEANINGS of the Justices are always the one and only genuine Concern

God certainly would want ALL on this planet be followers of His Son, Yes?

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[VanitasVanitatum]

Are you saying the Church wants to keep birth control legal and available but at the same time claim its use is immoral?

That doesn’t matter as far as abortion is concerned. If the Church does as you say then evidence should be provided otherwise bringing it up serves no purpose.

 

[otjm]

I have twin daughters; when they were born 9+ weeks early, they were about 3lb. 5 oz.

I cannot even begin to wrap my mind around killing one of them; yet selective abortions occur with multiple births.

There is going to be an accounting for the slaughters; most likely not in this life, but most definitely in the next.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Maximus1:

The SCOTUS would overturn Roe? When? They have a 5 to 4 now. They relied on Stare Decisis In the past.
There is no evidence after Goresch or Kavenaugh that SCOTUS justices make more difference on abortion at this point.

That’s sort of besides the point.

Were all 9 SCOTUS Justices Followers of JESUS - ABORTION would never have been Legalized

Not necessarily. If Roe v Wade had gone the other way, it would still be up to the individual states, and it was already legal in some states.

 

[EndTimes]

Not necessarily. If Roe v Wade had gone the other way,

Roe versus Wade would have never gotten to First Base were all SCOTUS Justices followers of Jesus

The Enemy always works overtime

• to block anyone who even suggests being ANTI-ABORTION . . . POTUS POTENTIAL a KNOWN CHRISTIAN?

The Unfriendly to Christianity Media Machine goes in to 3rd Degree Mode

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Not necessarily. If Roe v Wade had gone the other way,

Roe versus Wade would have never gotten to First Base were all SCOTUS Justices followers of Jesus

That is true. But even if Roe vs Wade had never gotten to first base, abortion would still have been legal in New York like it was before Roe vs Wade.

The Enemy always works overtime

• to block anyone who even suggests being ANTI-ABORTION and/or ANTI-SODOMY

Now you are comparing anti-abortion with anti-sodomy? I think it is pretty much universally accepted in the Christian world that laws that throw consenting adults in jail for what they do in their bedrooms are not desirable. Thomas Aquinas had a lot to say about which vices should be criminalized.