Follow up question: What voting issue could possibly outweigh the murder of millions of unborn babies?

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I don’t believe I was challenging that.

Legal abortions have gone down in numbers, and it appears that life issues are becoming more and more relevant to the youth. Will it ever end completely? On the Judgement day, and not likely before, any more than any other sin will be done away with.

Which absolutely is not to say that one should not seek life, and an end to abortion.
 
jan10000 said:
Just look at Africa, as one example.
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Africa isn’t the U.S. where birth control is easy to find and use.
jan10000 said:
I made this proposal - let’s ban abortion but all childless couples (or individuals) that make more than 100K per year MUST either adopt or sponsor an orphan child.
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I don’t have any problems with that and I support it.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Now you are comparing anti-abortion with anti-sodomy?
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Yes - Because - Abortion and Sodomy are not only Grave Sins -
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But you did not address the issue raised by Thomas Aquinas:

“Now human law is framed for a number of human beings, the majority of whom are not perfect in virtue. Wherefore human laws do not forbid all vices , from which the virtuous abstain, but only the more grievous vices, from which it is possible for the majority to abstain; and chiefly those that are to the hurt of others , without the prohibition of which human society could not be maintained: thus human law prohibits murder, theft and such like . ” ST I-II, Q. 96, Art. 2.

Sodomy is not like murder and theft. Do you think we should return to days when sodomy was severely punished by civil authorities? I have heard plenty about the push to make abortion a crime, but I have not heard the Church say anything about making sodomy a crime.
 
EndTimes said:
Yes - Because - Abortion and Sodomy are not only Grave Sins -
They are the main issues always Peddled by the Enemy who nudge for no Catholics on the SCOTUS
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Don’t get distracted by side issues, however important you find them to be. The issue for this thread is abortion. Raising other concerns simply allows others to chase after squirrels and leave the issue of abortion entirely. This is the main problem with the “seamless garment” argument: it includes all kinds of issues that, while important, do not rise to the level of significance of abortion, and lead the discussion away from it.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
But you did not address the issue raised by Thomas Aquinas:
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No need to… Thomas’ so-called “authority” ranks below Scriptures and Magisterium

ABORTION and Active SODOMY are Mortal Sins…

Those who support them and refuse to Repent - are very arguably on their way to Hell.

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LeafByNiggle:
But you did not address the issue raised by Thomas Aquinas:
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No need to… Thomas’ so-called “authority” ranks below Scriptures and Magisterium

ABORTION and Active SODOMY are Mortal Sins…

Those who support them and refuse to Repent - are very arguably on their way to Hell.

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Fornication is also a mortal sin. Do you think the civil government in the US should establish criminal penalties for fornication?

Also there is a difference between supporting a sin and allowing a sin.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Fornication is also a mortal sin.
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So can stealing be…

And… bringing up sins besides abortion and sodomy
does not impact upon the truisms that
abortion and active sodomy are mortal sins…

And - those who support them and refuse to Repent are said to be on their way to Hell.

Anything else?
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Fornication is also a mortal sin.
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So can stealing be…

And… bringing up sins besides abortion and sodomy
does not impact upon the truisms that
abortion and active sodomy are mortal sins…
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I never disputed the fact that abortion and sodomy are both mortal sins. I agree with that. I was only disputing the idea that sodomy should be made a crime.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I was only disputing the idea that sodomy should be made a crime.
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God’s Laws supersede the varying laws of Man which exist around this planet.

The Catholic Church certainly wants politicians and secular laws, lawyers and judges
to be in agreement with God’s Laws
  • including laws connected with Murder and Sodomy
  • believe ye not?
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LeafByNiggle:
I was only disputing the idea that sodomy should be made a crime.
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God’s Laws supersede the varying laws of Man which exist around this planet.

The Catholic Church certainly wants politicians and secular laws, lawyers and judges
to be in agreement with God’s Laws
  • including laws connected with Murder and Sodomy
  • believe ye not?
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Nope. I do not believe the Church wants civil laws against every single mortal sin. You are entirely too casual in dismissing a recognized Doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, as if he were nothing more than an Internet troll.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I do not believe the Church wants civil laws against every single mortal sin.
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No one save you - has even suggested such a notion… 🙂

I Know the Church does not want civil laws allowing Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage …

Anything Else?
 
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Guess what sex education leads to? Young people having sex earlier on.
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EndTimes said:
Planned Parenthood is famous for doing this…

And then go whole hog on $upporting ABORTION…
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Oh please. Teenagers have been having sex since the beginning of time. It has nothing to do with sex education. The kids already know about urges and how to relieve them. They aren’t learning that in sex education.
 
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There is no evidence to support your claim. Sex education is a class that provides information.

Kids know how to relieve their urges already. Sex education teaches the biological consequences of doing so, along with information about hygiene, etc.

If parents don’t want their kids having sex, then it is up to them to teach whatever morality they want to teach with regards to sex.
 
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Yeah right, like he cares about children. He only cares about Ivanka. Don’t kid yourself. 16,000 lies and climbing…
 
Having utilized the services of Planned Parenthood, I can assure those who have not, that as an organization, they are neither horrible or wasteful.
 
You still have not provided proof that providing sex education increases sexual activity.

Please don’t try to shame me for my view. I don’t believe the Church’s teachings with regards to human sexuality. I am a cafeteria Catholic.

As human beings, we should be educated about how our bodies work. Hiding education from kids (especially those who are old enough to be sexually active) about the basic biology of human sexuality is the wrong thing to do.
 
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There is no evidence to support your claim. Sex education is a class that provides information.
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Sex education is not mainly about the facts of sex; it is primarily about the indoctrination of students to set their attitudes about sex. In my city even twenty years ago schools were teaching about the pleasures of oral sex. To fifth graders.
 
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