Former spiritual advisor to Medjugorje "seers" - Tomislav Vlasic - laicized by the Holy See

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This post is being updated as additional links become available. Vatican Radio has just announced this news in German. If an English version becomes available, I will provide it.
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Thanks to Richard Chonak at Catholic Light, we have at least a rough translation of the decree above in which a priest - Fr. Tomislav Vlasic - a central figure in the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje, has been laicized. You can read about the “severe canonical sanctions” taken last year against Fr. Vlasic by the Holy See in this link - Medjugorje: Canonical Status of Fr. Tomislav Vlašić, OFM.
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The latest development, which came to light this weekend: Fr. Vlasic is now Mr. Vlasic.
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te-deum.blogspot.com/2009/07/spiritual-advisor-to-medjugorje-seers.html
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Here is a history of the priest, but it’s only from one perspective - not to say that perspective is deceptive: cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=227
 
Is this supposed to shake the authenticity of the messages and the final occurrences that are supposed to take place? The warnings that are to come and to be made known to
the world?

What have the seers themselves said? What can we expect?
 
sauce said:
Is this supposed to shake the authenticity of the messages and the final occurrences that are supposed to take place? The warnings that are to come and to be made known to the world?
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Certainly can’t help.

I notice that the Minister General’s letter includes an "Absolute prohibition of releasing declarations on religious matters, especially regarding the ‘phenomenon of Medjugorje’ on “pain of excommunication which the Holy See would declare, and, if necessary, without prior canonical warning”. That sounds to me like a message about Rome’s views of Medjugorje. (The local ordinary has already made his position quite clear.)
 
The blog post in the OP seems to imply that the laicization was some sort of penalty for Vlasic. Is that accurate? I am skeptical because I am unaware of the Church using laicization as a penalty ever. Excommunication, yes. Laicization, no. Was the laicization simply a request that Vlasic made that was granted? That seems more likely to me.
 
Eucharisted said:
Here is a history of the priest, but it’s only from one perspective - not to say that perspective is deceptive: cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=227
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Too many exclamation marks in this article. They’re not needed if Don Ante Luburic truly knows what he’s talking about. He only “hopes” he knows what he’s talking about. Also detected a bit of spin. Clearly, he’s more than a tad ticked off.

So why doesn’t the Church rule on this?

The frequency of visions needn’t be compared with other apparitions down through the years. These things have a life of their own. Who can criticize it? If it is the Blessed Mother, then she must have good cause to be appearing. If it isn’t, then that needs to be determined by the Vatican authorities. They sure are taking a long time.
 
Joe_5859 said:
The blog post in the OP seems to imply that the laicization was some sort of penalty for Vlasic. Is that accurate? I am skeptical because I am unaware of the Church using laicization as a penalty ever. Excommunication, yes. Laicization, no. Was the laicization simply a request that Vlasic made that was granted? That seems more likely to me.
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Some priests are laicized, though it is very rare.
 
Joe_5859 said:
The blog post in the OP seems to imply that the laicization was some sort of penalty for Vlasic. Is that accurate? I am skeptical because I am unaware of the Church using laicization as a penalty ever. Excommunication, yes. Laicization, no. Was the laicization simply a request that Vlasic made that was granted? That seems more likely to me.
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A priest can be dismissed from the clerical state. However, the Minister General’s letter says the Holy Father granted Vlasic the favor of laicization, so it looks to me like he asked for it. However however, Vlasic has been in hot water for some time now (see this statement by Bishop Peric from August 31st of last year).
 
Victorious said:
A priest can be dismissed from the clerical state. However, the Minister General’s letter says the Holy Father granted Vlasic the favor of laicization, so it looks to me like he asked for it. However however, Vlasic has been in hot water for some time now (see this statement by Bishop Peric from August 31st of last year).
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Thanks for clearing that up. 👍
 
The mills of the Church grind slowly …

Another clue to Medj. fans, in this, I hope. The Vatican can’t stop the pilgrimages, if people want to go there. The local ordinary, the bishop, who is the supreme arbiter on religious phenomena in his diocese, has ruled on this phenomenon a long time ago; the phenomenon is bogus.

But still the pilgrimages go there.
 
This has always been a hard one for me to understand. My one big problem with Medjugorje is that the visionaries have all gone on to become physically prosperous. You don’t see that with approved apparitions and visionaries who are declared saints, they all seemed to have suffered greatly in this life. I have personally always seen the physical prosperity of the visionaries as a warning sign, because I know that the Evil One will reward his own with physical prosperity (not saying that these apparitions are from the devil!). Yet I know many devout people are absolutely convinced of the authenticity of Medjugorje.

I can’t believe that the local bishop and the Vatican have just decided for no particular reason not to approve these apparitions. There has to be a valid reason.

Mary
 
Did the apparitions give warning about the swiftly approaching war with the Serbs? If not, wouldn’t that be kind of a colossal omission for the Mother of God who, in 1917, warned the children of Fatima about the coming of World War II? And wouldn’t that come pretty close to telling us everything we need to know?

You can read Bishop Zanic’s 1990 statement about Medjugorje here (three parts).
 
Isn’t the important thing what is being communicated?
Is everyone supposed to be poor? Just asking. Does God always deliver a prophecy
in a raggedy container, and is that supposed to prove worthiness of the recipient?
They didn’t look rich to me when I saw an early documentary done by a family from
Pennsylvania. The seers just appeared to be average type young Croatians. And devoted
Catholics. Again, just asking. I know someone who met one of the seers and found
her to be quite solid as an individual…not a flake.

I’m not so sure these apparitions can be compared to other apparitions.
I think apparitions are a complicated matter which also involves the education, experience
and maturity of the seer as well as their sense of spirituality. The children at Fatima
saw purgatory and explained it in a certain way. St Catherine of Genoa wrote a treatise
on Purgatory and explains it in a more mature form of reality.

So go figure.
 
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Isn’t the important thing what is being communicated?
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Not if the whole thing is bunk.

And even if there are some good things communicated, so what? An arsenic-laced chocolate cake also contains some good things, but that doesn’t mean you should eat it.

The Blessed Mother doesn’t need the assistance of frauds.
 
Victorious said:
Not if the whole thing is bunk.

And even if there are some good things communicated, so what? An arsenic-laced chocolate cake also contains some good things, but that doesn’t mean you should eat it.

The Blessed Mother doesn’t need the assistance of frauds.
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Who has determined that the whole thing is bunk? And where has this been reported in the United States? Haven’t seen anything.

The children at Fatima were also given a hard time. And the 3rd secret was written about by Cardinal Ratzinger not too long ago. Took a long time for him to get to it. I actually thought he did a good job explaining it.

Jesus is Lord. Not too much else matters.
 
Thank you for that information, but Remnant Press doesn’t mean a thing to me.
 
I’ve posted this before.

Here’s an interesting read:

cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=219

As if we don’t have more important Church issues to deal with in these difficult times and as if there don’t exist more pressing social issues that require our attention in this country, amongst our people and in this region, than the spreading of unfounded, incoherent news and contradictory statements on the phenomenon which was already in 1991 theologically and authoritatively resolved at the level of the Bishops’ Conference which declared: On the basis of comprehensive investigations on the entire phenomenon of Medjugorje – to this day – there has been no valid proof that these events concern supernatural apparitions or revelations!
Don Ante Luburić, Chancellor
Diocesan Chancery Office

Emphasis mine. I can’t see how anybody still believes this hoax.

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The local bishop has the authority to discern revelations in his diocese. His ruling is final - end of story. That’s the pre-requisite to being able to put your faith into the apparitions.

God, in His Infinite Wisdom, no doubt created that pre-requisite and takes this into consideration when choosing to reveal something to the world. God will choose the apparitions to occur in a diocese where the bishop is likely to approve of them. If the bishop makes a mistake and does not approve of them, surely God would waste no time in starting up the apparitions in another diocese where that bishop would approve of them since His message must permeate.

The real nail in the coffin is when the local bishop does not approve of the apparitions and yet the apparitions and the seers defy the bishop’s authority by still spreading the messages. Then you really know the apparitions were false and the bishop was right in not approving them since if the apparitions were real, it and the seer would be obedient to the Church.

The nail in the coffin of Medjugorje was pounded in 19 years ago and has not rusted one bit nor will it ever rust.
 
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