Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

[debraran]

At the very least, this is just plain tacky.

Oh My, I thought that was a joke…this is very tacky but it’s a marketing tool to get more sales…the “only 4 hours left before the stuff is gone” routine…maybe it will get cheaper as the days go on.

I know some people are saying since the other side were not pristine ciitizens, they might not be truthful, there were others named who said they coudln’t talk unless he said so, and he said No. SOLT investigators mentioned they had evidence, recent and older.

My thoughts are that he wanted to leave for a long time, he wrote them a letter June 3rd, he waited until Father’s Day to tell us for the buildup and his aniversary. He might have meant every word of that but even if it was to explain his behavior, he wanted to leave.
I know many want him to stay, but if he really doesn’t want to be there, he wouldn’t be very good.

Fr Francis, I always wondered if he would have stayed a priest if his indiscretion wasn’t so complicated, but he had to do what was right for him at the time.

We had another priest accused (not convicted) in my state, but I didn’t look up any more info, I just remembered what nice priests we have at our parish and how hard they work…it’s all you can do.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I am sure that those who father opposed are more than happy to see him gone since he always stood in opposition to those who were destroying the faith of the Church.

I hope father Corapi find a place in the CC where he can be at peace.

 

[debraran]

What I fear and what I think the bottom line is for many people with this case, is if he spoke the truth but didn’t live it, then who cares? We all sin, many preachers have fallen and gotten back up again, but if he lived a life of decadence as they are hinting at, then telling a young man to be chaste is good, but without the example, it’s hard not to be cynical. You can march with a pro-lifer but if you tell your daughter to get an abortion, is the message muted?
He knew he was weak, talked of his fears and warned everyone (although they thought he was probably joking) that they could find him in a gutter.He kept people away, his company seemed to be his bubble, but I think it’s sad, he never mentioned family, his mom, anyone. A man is not an island.

 

[vz71]

Wouldn’t it be awesome if her repented. What a witness that would be.

 

[onenow1]

OK, guam. My stand is my response to Brother. I ama loving child of the Church seeking admission into the carmelite order. I am not a fanatic at all…just trying to follow in st francis’s footsteps. I do not want to be guilty before the Lord on deliberating on a priest who may or may not be guilty. It doesn’t really matter, as I believe one way or another, we have no right to deliberate at all when it comes to a priest. I have enough sins to confess without having to confess this one…

Hi,Shoshna,

Our Lord’s revelation to Mutter Vogel: True or not seems very good advice below.

One should never attack a priest, even when he is in err, rather one should pray and do pennance,that I’ll grant him my grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after my example.

St. Grignion Publishing House, Altoting, South Germany 1929.

Jesus will use Father Corapi as He sees fit…

Peace

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I am sure that those who father opposed are more than happy to see him gone since he always stood in opposition to those who were destroying the faith of the Church.

I hope father Corapi find a place in the CC where he can be at peace.

No one is happy to see him “gone,” he alone has ever said those things. There is not a Church conspiracy against Fr. Corapi, in fact, hardly anyone knows of him so his delusions of grandeur are just that. He’s been a public figure but the more I think about it, I wonder if he really has ever been truly faithful. His supporters all seem to pit him against the Church, and we know how that ends up. Something like

Non Serviam.

 

[cecilia97]

He said it had been “a hard 10 years.” So if the last 10 years were hard for him, I guess he has wanted o.u.t. as you say. Wasn’t he doing what he wanted, speaking and preaching, during the last 10 years? Why would it have been hard - he could have stopped doing that at any point? I’m so confused…

Many, many people have had a “hard ten years”…and more! What is a Catholic called to do? Cling to the Cross! Who do we have to comfort us? Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, the Holy Spirit, the Communion of Saints, and the Church!

I believe Fr. Corapi was in the best place to endure hardship, and now he is walking away. He needs our prayers.

 

[whm]

I repeat - how is it that ANY human being can engender such an extraordinary amount of loyalty from his followers that they willingly suspend all sense of logic and reason in order to exonerate and defend him. It is breathtaking to see, and truly very sad.

Some people don’t have all the same information or haven’t worked through the shock and processed the information yet. I think there a lot of good people that just don’t understand what has happened yet. Others see a few posts, perhaps without understanding the context that reinforce the idea that people are out to get Fr. Corapi or that there is a conspiracy of some sort.

 

[debraran]

Father was hit hard by the scandals and the very thing that made me admire him, his honesty about it, also turned me off a bit. He was very “me-me”, how if affected him, his longing for the love and affectioin from before. I didn’t realize how popular he was then for some Catholics but I also thought (and this is just MY opinion) that he was embarassed by it, it was personal.
He always had fans but maybe the demographic changed…who knows, but it just got worse.

 

[debraran]

Some people don’t have all the same information or haven’t worked through the shock and processed the information yet. I think there a lot of good people that just don’t understand what has happened yet. Others see a few posts, perhaps without understanding the context that reinforce the idea that people are out to get Fr. Corapi or that there is a conspiracy of some sort.

I think that’s true, and it’s like any “idol” or even a spouse, some wont see anything bad because they don’t want to feel betrayed, but many I feel also, it’s where they got their information from.

This was from the scandal talk:

youtube.com/watch?v=2RNZ6pFQJGY&feature=related

 

[franas]

What further facts are you talking about? The fact finding panel has hard evidence from witnesses other than J.C.'s goddaughter that he committed acts unbecoming of a priest…

Hard evidence, really? There’s something called credible evidence. As far as I can tell, no names have been named, nothing is authenticated. If we only have the quality of witnesses like the accuser’s husband, the whole judicial system will collapse in one day. From where I’m looking at, there’s just uonconfirmed rumors and heresays. Anyway,we can agree to disagree. God bless.

 

[jwinch2]

Respectfully, I would encourage you if possible to read through all of the threads associated with this topic, although they are many. People ARE praying for Fr. Corapi. I do not know that a dedicated thread, etc., has been started to that end, but nearly everyone who has posted to date has mentioned that they have been and are continuing to pray for him. Beyond that, I am not sure how we can help a man who apparently sees nothing awry in what he is doing and therefore doesn’t see himself as in need of assistance. And that is the crux of this biscuit - he initiated the break from his Order, not the other way around, he is the one who wants to enter this “new era” as he has called it. His Order and the Bishop just want him to return home.

I would also suggest that it is quite possible to be praying for someone and at the same time be disappointed with their public actions. Just because some people on here may be critical of some of the decisions Father C. is making, that does not mean they want him to be doing those things; or that they are not praying for him.

The Church teaches that love is an act of the will. Therefore it is more than possible to be upset at someone, be disappointed greatly in their actions, and still show them an act of love through prayer.

 

[debraran]

Franas, they can’t release names, things like that, you either trust what they said about credible evidence or you don’t.

I listened to the link I put a couple of posts back, Father said he wouldn’t leave the priesthood about 6 minutes in…sad to hear that but I know husbands that said they wouldn’t leave and they did or wanted too.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

This is not necessarily true. For the most part I think he could be “living large” off of the $2.7 million dollars whistle blowers reward he received in 2002(I believe). It is certainly enough to purchase the luxury items alluded to in the SOLT release. We don’t know for sure how much “profit” he made off of dvd sales etc. to support an extravagant lifestyle. You didn’t mention it, but even so there may be an issue with him living his reported lifestyle based on promises made to SOLT when he joined (promise of poverty?).

To tell the truth, I don’t care how he made the money. I still find it scandalous for a priest to be buying “man toys” and living luxuriously. No, he’s not Mother Teresa, but it is still possible to live a perfectly comfortable life without boats, ATVs, personal trainers, etc. etc. Yes, he may have given to charities (and the SLOT), but certainly not enough to preclude all his fun stuff. And certainly he didn’t share the rewardwith any of Dr. Moon’s real victims–the ones who had and paid for unnecessary surgery! Since I did not regularly listen to his talks, I was not aware of all his “stuff” until this scandal broke. It is a very big red flag to me.

 

[jwinch2]

Hard evidence, really? There’s something called credible evidence. As far as I can tell, no names have been named, nothing is authenticated. If we only have the quality of witnesses like the accuser’s husband, the whole judicial system will collapse in one day. From where I’m looking at, there’s just uonconfirmed rumors and heresays. Anyway,we can agree to disagree. God bless.

Did you ever stop to think that the persons who are making the decisions, (e.g. the Bishop of Corpus Christi and the Major Superior of SOLT) might have more information then they have put in the public forum?

You really ought to go back and read every one of Brother JR’s posts in this, and the other threads on Father Corapi. If you do, you will learn that the Superior is not subject to the standard of a criminal trial or even a civil trial. It his his judgement to make, period. If Cather Corpai believes that he is being treated unfairly he has the right to appeal to Rome for a trial. To date, he has not done so.

Please stop comparing this situation to the US Judicial system. It is not the same thing and not subject to the same standards.

 

[jwinch2]

To tell the truth, I don’t care how he made the money. I still find it scandalous for a priest to be buying “man toys” and living luxuriously…

I believe you are right to feel that way. Canon 282 states that priests are to live simple lives and avoid opulence and ostentatious living. By any stretch of the imagination, that does not seem to have happened.

 

[debraran]

On page 61 of “Coronary” a book about Father’s lawsuit, it said, he got nothing from EWTN but a tag at the end for his web site, a million dollar tag. At that time his website was bringing in 100.000 a month, it would be 2 million a year in no time. He said someone willl figure that out sooner or later and want it and they aren’t going to get it.

You can google the book on amazon and read it yourself. That’s not a sin, but if many people had that amount of money, the joy in giving it away, so many people need it. I hope he did.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I am sure that those who father opposed are more than happy to see him gone since he always stood in opposition to those who were destroying the faith of the Church.

I hope father Corapi find a place in the CC where he can be at peace.

I too hope Fr Corapi finds a place where he can be at peace. But what does the first part mean? He is now the one destroying people’s faith, confusing people, and sowing discord. I have heard no one say they were happy to have him gone. All the comments here are saying how people are praying for him to return to the SOLT and stayin communion with the Church.

 

[mom4mary]

Hard evidence, really? There’s something called credible evidence. As far as I can tell, no names have been named, nothing is authenticated. If we only have the quality of witnesses like the accuser’s husband, the whole judicial system will collapse in one day. From where I’m looking at, there’s just uonconfirmed rumors and heresays. Anyway,we can agree to disagree. God bless.

What makes you believe that the statements of the Bishop of Corpus Christi, the priests at SOLT, and the 3 person investigative panel are neither credible nor authentic? Are you really suggesting that they are ALL knowingly putting forth misinformation? If so, why isn’t Fr. Corapi hitting them with a civil suit, since he seems to be so willing to do so in other circumstances? Furthermore, SOLT has not released all of their information for public scrutiny, nor should they. Witnesses names should not be splashed all over the internet and print media to “prove” to the public that witnesses and the evidence and testimony they have provided are credible.

*Again I ask, how is it that one man - Fr. Corapi - has engendered such loyalty in his followers that they freely, willingly, suspend all logical and reasonable thought in order to exonerate and defend him? *

 

[mom4mary]

Franas, they can’t release names, things like that, you either trust what they said about credible evidence or you don’t.

That’s exactly right.