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MikeInVA
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That was what I thought you meant!
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MikeInVA
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Absolutely, we are all called to chastity according to our status in life!
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Annie
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Possibly in response to the much greater discussion, etc., of how homosexual activity is not wrong?
How many Adulterers Pride parades are there, how many Fornicators Pride flags are there?
How many Adulterers Pride parades are there, how many Fornicators Pride flags are there?
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Imdaman
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I know of no other sin where organizations are formed in order for their particular sin to be normalized. Can you?
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TheLittleLady
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There will also be many Saints in heaven who sinned against chastity yet they repented and die in friendship with God.
One sin, one thousand sins, does not negate the mercy of God. What matters is that we repent of that sin, go to Confession and keep getting back up off the mat.
One sin, one thousand sins, does not negate the mercy of God. What matters is that we repent of that sin, go to Confession and keep getting back up off the mat.
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Canvas
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It is absolutely shameless.
Fortunately, among normal Catholics I know in real life, it is nothing like this nonsense. Nobody is trying to score points off of a sex abuse crisis/scandal.
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gracepoole
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Homosexuals are a small minority of the population. Many more are likely committing adultery, using birth control, having abortions, and masturbating. It would seem much more reasonable to hear more about these topics from the clergy since they affect a far greater number of people. (And, uh, yeah – there are organizations that normalize birth control and abortion…)
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Annie
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Oh, well from the clergy! I have heard on average fewer than one homily on any of these topics–none on homosexuality–and all of them were from two priests. Therefore I conclude that the discussion Dr Martin referred to (which you brought up above) is not homilies and sermons.
If these discussions are not discussions among lay people, then what discussions are they?
Assuming that the discussions referred to are regular lay communications then, and repeat what I said earlier.
Before the Will and Grace era, late 1990s, I could go for years without a single discussion about homosexuality.
If these discussions are not discussions among lay people, then what discussions are they?
Assuming that the discussions referred to are regular lay communications then, and repeat what I said earlier.
Before the Will and Grace era, late 1990s, I could go for years without a single discussion about homosexuality.
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Imdaman
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Tell me something grace. Out of all those "activities you mentioned including homosexuality, which is the lesser sin? Which One of these "activities do you think is OK to commit if their is love involved. Please answer truthfully.Annie:
Homosexuals are a small minority of the population. Many more are likely committing adultery, using birth control, having abortions, and masturbating. It would seem much more reasonable to hear more about these topics from the clergy since they affect a far greater number of people. (And, uh, yeah – there are organizations that normalize birth control and abortion…)
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gracepoole
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Your question is completely irrelevant. If the Church teaches that all of these things are sinful, we should be hearing about all of them. We should be speaking out against all of them.
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Imdaman
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I agree. When was the last time you talked about any of them outside of caf. But why can’t you answer my question?
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gracepoole
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Um, I talk about them quite a bit. And why would I answer a completely irrelevant question?
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anon10271182
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And isn’t that an inconvenient truth, for some.
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Annie
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“Having love involved” does not reduce a sinful act’s sinfulness.
And it is difficult for anyone but God to rank sins.
And it is difficult for anyone but God to rank sins.
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bullish1
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lust, bad, rape, worse, murder, worst! Pretty easy to rank sins after all and I didn’t even need to phone a friend.
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Annie
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I don’t think you understand what is going on here. Or maybe you are trying to join in?
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bullish1
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I know exactly what’s going on. Some are arguing for Bernadine’s silly seamless garment argument. As a reasonable man, I can tell what sins are venial and which are mortal. And I can tell which of the mortal sins are worse than the others. Sure, we should strive for saintliness and no sin but morally grave and depraved sin is worse than cheating on the geometry test. Sexual sin between two consenting adults is not as bad as sexual sin inflected on another without their consent. Not rocket science!
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Annie
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The discussion was of certain specific sins, one of which would be considered worse. The main point is that Imdaman was trying to trap GracePoole by the question, which is why she refused to answer and why I answered as I did. One sin committed in ignorance and out of desperation might be a lesser sin even tho in the abstract it would be considered greater.
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Imdaman
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Yes and not only that but both have the potential to keep you out of heaven and obviously that is the main reason for all of this isn’t it to make it to heaven.
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Imdaman
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It is relevant because all mortal sin has the chance of keeping you from heaven. With that said are we not to help people get to heaven? Both homosexuality and abortion are made to be normal and even virtuous. Do you think we should ignore that fact? The reason why it is brought up in conversation more than other sins is because "society is falling for the lie that it is not harmful when in fact it is very harmful both to the people involved and society as a whole!
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