Fr John Corapi has Announced in a Video Message that he is Leaving the Priesthood

[valient_Lucy]

You’d think they request our Pope to investigate and discover the truth -whatever it maybe. That’s like saying “this our petition -we want you to investigate and this is what we expect you to declare”.

I think the “fans” are a bit out of touch with the reality that John Corapi is not next in line of importance after the Pope. His Holiness has a huge responsibility to the faithful world wide. One American priest who walked away from the investigative process of his own accord is hardly a comparison to life and death issues, Christians are still being martyred for their faith outside of the western world bubble, abortion is still legal -their are too many pressing issues even to recount. Really, some people need a reality check.

Amen. With the persecutions of Christians in the Middle East and the Anglican Ordinariate getting off the ground, this is hardly worth the attention of the Holy Father.

I also agree that the petition is poorly worded, with the call to exhonerate. We have to accept the Church’s decision on this matter. If she decides that Corapi is doing the right thing, then he’s doing the right thing. If she decides that he’s not doing the right thing, then he’s not.

 

[Shoshana]

All devout souls ought to limit their publicized words on Corapi to a sensible statement like EWTN’s. But instead we have well known faithful Catholics spewing great venom at him. Dc. Kandra, in the first paragraph of his article on the subject, abandons common manners by calling Corapi’s statement “bizarre” and “rambling.” Then Dc. Kandra unjustly concludes, from Corapi merely relaying how he spent his time, that to Corapi the sacraments “… really didn’t matter so much.” Mark Shea (also extremely well-known and highly regarded), in his post, declares that Corapi “Sets world record… for most passive-aggressive manipulative self-aggrandizement ever squeezed into 8 and a half minutes.” and continues to lambaste him in the following paragraph (Shea apologized for his attitude but stopped short of deleting his post which continues to pile on views.). What is going on here?
(Update: on 6/24 Mark Shea removed the post I have here quoted. Thank you, Mark. I urge you next to read Page 70 of the Pieta prayer book and delete your other posts passing judgments on him.)

danieloconnor.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/picture1.png?w=201&h=300
PRAYER FOR THE CONTROL OF THE TONGUE
Dear Holy Spirit, My God. Teach me to speak wisely.
Let me avoid useless thoughts and useless conversations. Help me to speak often for You. Grant that my words may never hurt men of goodwill. May My words always bring consolation to those in sorrow and guidance to those in need. Take my lips and make them Yours. Take possession of my mind and make it an instrument of Your goodness and a channel of truth. I hope to become a man of silence, who prefers to talk to God then to men. In my human conversation, may I always bring them closer to You and You closer to them. I ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen

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[PPeterson]

I don’t see how the new website sheds any light on the accusations in question. Whether or not someone bears scrutiny and allegation the same way as the saints has nothing to do with his guilt/innocence. My position is:

a) it’s wrong to assume Fr. Corapi is guilty
b) it’s wrong to assume the woman (women?) are lying
c) it’s wrong to assume representatives of the Church are acting maliciously in their investigation.
d) it’s wrong to assume that any person who criticizes, fails to enjoy, or causes difficulty for Fr. Corapi is in the direct employ of satan.

I will say that if your particular approach to life involves heavy doses of “us against them” themes, and blaming others for your own problems and the problems of the world, don’t be surprised when drama follows your every step.

 

[valient_Lucy]

I don’t see how the new website sheds any light on the accusations in question. Whether or not someone bears scrutiny and allegation the same way as the saints has nothing to do with his guilt/innocence. My position is:

a) it’s wrong to assume Fr. Corapi is guilty
b) it’s wrong to assume the woman (women?) are lying
c) it’s wrong to assume representatives of the Church are acting maliciously in their investigation.
d) it’s wrong to assume that any person who criticizes, fails to enjoy, or causes difficulty for Fr. Corapi is in the direct employ of satan.

I will say that if your particular approach to life involves heavy doses of “us against them” themes, and blaming others for your own problems and the problems of the world, don’t be surprised when drama follows your every step.

 

[yosupman]

Father Corapi is being extremely selfish in this whole endevor. Fr. Corapi has caused huge scandal, not by the accusations against him, but by the way he is dealing with this.

When Padre Pio was persecuted, he humbly submitted.

Eventually Padre Pio was exonerated.

Fr. Corapi is taking things into his own hands. Frankly Fr. Corapi’s actions are absolutely weird and his statements are strange to say the least.

We need to pray for him. We need to pray Fr. corapi comes back to his senses and accepts the authority of the church.

I can see an “Archbishop Lefevbre” type of disobedience comming. Not good. Not good. Not good.

Fr Corapi will claim “I’m still in the church”, when in fact the church has said “you’re not in the church”. Frankly, I’ll stick with the representative of Jesus Christ. Not a wayward priest.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Why are people continuing to spread these lies? Are they hoping, or merely gossiping?

“Once a priest, always a priest.”

Even IF Father is guilty of all he was accused of and more, it does not change one word of his teachings on Orthodoxy.

And if guilty, why is he not in need of prayer?

 

[yosupman]

Why are people continuing to spread these lies? Are they hoping, or merely gossiping?

“Once a priest, always a priest.”

Even IF Father is guilty of all he was accused of and more, it does not change one word of his teachings on Orthodoxy.

And if guilty, why is he not in need of prayer?

Actually, the way Fr. Corapi is handling this situation is not orthodox at all, and is really hurting the cause for orthodoxy in the church. It is a huge witness against the truth. Fr preached all of these years, but when the time comes to humbly bear this, Fr. goes bezerk, doing all of these weird things. It does not take away the orthodoxy of Fr Corapi’s teaching all of these years, but it does hurt the overall message of the church and sets a bad example.

 

[catharina]

Fr Corapi will claim “I’m still in the church”, when in fact the church has said “you’re not in the church”. Frankly, I’ll stick with the representative of Jesus Christ. Not a wayward priest.

When and where did the Church say that Father is not in the Church?
As far as I know, that has never happened. Please don’t invent things.

 

[redrosetea]

Why are people continuing to spread these lies? Are they hoping, or merely gossiping?

“Once a priest, always a priest.”

Even IF Father is guilty of all he was accused of and more, it does not change one word of his teachings on Orthodoxy.

And if guilty, why is he not in need of prayer?

I agree His teaching on the catechism is wonderful…I am sure some on here feel a whole lot better about themselves after giving Fr C a thrashing…charity is mighty thin

on the water around here

 

[Lujack]

This is the kind of calumny and baseless accusation that will get the thread closed. He has done nothing of the kind!

His attitude about seminaries has not changed since he made this video.

I don’t appreciate the charges that I was lying. My point is this-any Catholic who breaks out the “some seminaries and some* bishops” card (as in “Well, some bishops aren’t trustworthy…”) as Father Corapi has done in the past is indicting all of them, because by just leaving that out there without specifics he’s providing everybody and there brother an opportunity to charge that whatever bishop or seminary they don’t like is one of them. Father Corapi has done that, and it was wrong-I never claimed that he attacked all bishops as in “All the bishops are awful!”, but the “some bishops…” card is always trouble.*

 

[randrada]

Obedience ? If I understand it right suspending Fr. Corapi was illicit, how can one be obedient to that ? It is about time that we send messages to our bishops that their actions that are incompatible with the Church’s teachings are no longer tolerated.

I want my Church back.

Ok I mis spoke, Fr. Corapi’s suspension has nothing to do with it being illicit but against the wishes of his superior. Here is the link and excerpt from Fr Corapi himself

      [theblacksheepdog.wordpress.com/](http://theblacksheepdog.wordpress.com/)

excerpt :

…I did not start this process, the Bishop of Corpus Christi, Texas ordered my superiors, against their will and better judgment, to do it. He in fact threatened to release a reprehensible and libelous letter to all of the bishops if they did not suspend me. … My canon lawyer and my civil lawyers have concluded that I cannot receive a fair and just hearing under the Church’s present process.

Rey

 

[randrada]

“Once a priest, always a priest.”

I agree as Fr Corapi explained in his blog

theblacksheepdog.wordpress.com/

excerpt

Once a man is ordained a priest he remains a priest for all eternity. Holy Orders is one of the three sacraments that imprints an indelible mark on the soul. What the Church can give or remove is “faculties”, which authorizes the person to publicly administer the sacraments. I always cringe when I hear “he’s not a priest anymore.”

Rey

 

[Teelynn]

All devout souls ought to limit their publicized words on Corapi to a sensible statement like EWTN’s. But instead we have well known faithful Catholics spewing great venom at him. Dc. Kandra, in the first paragraph of his article on the subject, abandons common manners by calling Corapi’s statement “bizarre” and “rambling.” Then Dc. Kandra unjustly concludes, from Corapi merely relaying how he spent his time, that to Corapi the sacraments “… really didn’t matter so much.” Mark Shea (also extremely well-known and highly regarded), in his post, declares that Corapi “Sets world record… for most passive-aggressive manipulative self-aggrandizement ever squeezed into 8 and a half minutes.” and continues to lambaste him in the following paragraph (Shea apologized for his attitude but stopped short of deleting his post which continues to pile on views.). What is going on here?

(Update: on 6/24 Mark Shea removed the post I have here quoted. Thank you, Mark. I urge you next to read Page 70 of the Pieta prayer book and delete your other posts passing judgments on him.)

danieloconnor.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/picture1.png?w=201&h=300
PRAYER FOR THE CONTROL OF THE TONGUE
Dear Holy Spirit, My God. Teach me to speak wisely.
Let me avoid useless thoughts and useless conversations. Help me to speak often for You. Grant that my words may never hurt men of goodwill. May My words always bring consolation to those in sorrow and guidance to those in need. Take my lips and make them Yours. Take possession of my mind and make it an instrument of Your goodness and a channel of truth. I hope to become a man of silence, who prefers to talk to God then to men. In my human conversation, may I always bring them closer to You and You closer to them. I ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen

danielsvenoconnor.com/2011/06/22/catholic-venom/

Boy Shoshana, do I agree wholeheartedly with you or what? WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!!! BTW, I posted this link (I believe it was) yesterday. He hit the nail on the head as well.

 

[Sheeniac]

I’d like to thank catholic.com and the mods for allowing this thread to stand. I think that we all have a desire to talk this out amongst ourselves, and see what others are saying. While it can get a little boisterous at times, the expressions of concern, anguish, love, charity, exhorting each other to act as Christians, etc., have helped me clear my thinking and realize that this is certainly not a simple affair.

So many posters with very different perspectives have made good points. I am dismayed over the whole episode, but find myself considering points of view that I would have otherwise dismissed due to the posters on this thread.

 

[Marie5890]

I don’t see how the new website sheds any light on the accusations in question. Whether or not someone bears scrutiny and allegation the same way as the saints has nothing to do with his guilt/innocence. My position is:

a) it’s wrong to assume Fr. Corapi is guilty
b) it’s wrong to assume the woman (women?) are lying
c) it’s wrong to assume representatives of the Church are acting maliciously in their investigation.
d) it’s wrong to assume that any person who criticizes, fails to enjoy, or causes difficulty for Fr. Corapi is in the direct employ of satan.

I will say that if your particular approach to life involves heavy doses of “us against them” themes, and blaming others for your own problems and the problems of the world, don’t be surprised when drama follows your every step.

Amen.

 

[Catholicpotato]

I think one of the things that concerns others as it does me is that Father is publically making this an issue and it confuses us. I do not think people are gossiping or making stuff up I just think that we are seeing a process that we should not see. And the person bringing this visible to the rest of us is Father.

What I am nervous about is if we are seeing the start of a bad situation in the future. Sometimes you hear about a former priest on TV, or writing a book where they claim to be a “Catholic” preist when really they are just spreading their own agenda. I hope it isnt the case that in 10 years we are watching CNN and Father is on talking about how wrong the Church is and needs to change on a bunch of issues.

I hope and pray that this works out in benifit to the Church.

 

[yosupman]

When and where did the Church say that Father is not in the Church?
As far as I know, that has never happened. Please don’t invent things.

I’m not saying Fr. Corapi is out of the church yet. But if he continues down this disobedient route, he will be at the least, not obeying church authority. Fr. Corapi will claim he is right and the church is wrong. The church is always right in her authority, which Fr. Corapi must obey.

 

[catharina]

I’m not saying Fr. Corapi is out of the church yet. But if he continues down this disobedient route, he will be at the least, not obeying church authority. Fr. Corapi will claim he is right and the church is wrong. The church is always right in her authority, which Fr. Corapi must obey.

To imply that you are certain re future events is problematical.
You are doing a dis-service to the Church and the faithful.

The focus needed in this circumstance must be one of prayerful charity.
Nothing else will suffice. “Predicting the future” is always an error.

 

[guanophore]

I don’t appreciate the charges that I was lying. My point is this-any Catholic who breaks out the “some seminaries and some** bishops” card (as in “Well, some bishops aren’t trustworthy…”) as Father Corapi has done in the past is indicting all of them,

I am sorry you don’t appreciate it, but you are presenting falsehoods that need to be confronted. If you looked at the link I posted, it is clear the he esteems that particular seminary, as well as all those that represent the Truth. He indicts, just as his mentor Bishop Sheen, schools that call themselves Catholic and depart from the Truth. He earned 4 university degrees, and has many years of experience in various schools of theology. If he says people can be “educated into imbecility” then think he is speaking of experience. He also gives many examples during his talks to support his point.

Some bishops are not trustworthy, sad to say. There have always been wolves among the sheep. I am studying the Reformation, and history will easily confirm that corrupt bishops have existed, and some of them rose to the Papacy. Of course he is not indicting “all of them”. This is just an unjustified calumny.
Lujack;8033892:

because by just leaving that out there without specifics he’s providing everybody and there brother an opportunity to charge that whatever bishop or seminary they don’t like is one of them.

That would be teh fault of everybody and their brother, then. He has clearly not said that.

 Father Corapi has done that, and it was wrong-I never claimed that he attacked all bishops as in "All the bishops are awful!", but the "*some*

bishops…" card is always trouble.

I agree it is trouble. I think he started getting in trouble over a decade ago, when he started speaking out publicly about bishops that don’t do their job, and bishops that allow the flock to wander off because they are not feeding them properly. From the examples he has given in his talks, it is a wonder he has not already been assasinated.

 

[guanophore]

I’m not saying Fr. Corapi is out of the church yet. But if he continues down this disobedient route, he will be at the least, not obeying church authority. Fr. Corapi will claim he is right and the church is wrong. The church is always right in her authority, which Fr. Corapi must obey.

He has been suspended. He is accepting his suspension, and moving on. How is that “disobedient”?

He has restricted himself to all the limitations of being on administrative leave. He recognizes that this may be the case “indefinitely”.

His community changed their constitution. It may be that his apostolate is no longer consistent with those changes. How is that “disobedient”?