Fr John Corapi has Announced in a Video Message that he is Leaving the Priesthood

[Ceil-1]

**I agree with Shoshanna’s posts, esp. 647 where she considers him a prophet. **

He was too political. He knew it, and said it anyway. He has what they call…guts.

He’s paying for it now, as he knew he would, and, like people’s attitude about Mary, the hearts of many have been laid bare. Well, I’ve been seeing the hearts, and, some are as black as can be. Pious on the outside, hypocritical and pompous on the inside.

This poor man is between a rock and a hard place. He is going to be filleted and flambeed no matter which way he turns. The good ones always go through the “gauntlet”.

He couldn’t take not having his say, which is what would have happened had he gone “gently into that good night”. It would have killed him.

Well, it is happening the same as if he had meekly gone into seclusion, which was his only other choice.

Either way, he is going to be crucified. This is the death he was bound to follow Christ to, and he will partake of it however imperfectly. He chose his path long ago.

 

[sambfive]

I was actually just going to post the above article from NCR.

Here’s a quote, although the entire article is informative:

My personal preference (not that it matters) would be for him to take the invitation to live in commuity.

I agree. I wish he would live in community.
Amen. Praying for Fr. John Corapi. This has been devastating. Very sad.

 

[Abba]

Thinking logically, I considered a scenario in where I served as a member of a jury. The twelve jurors enter the courtroom, judge is behind the bench, the defendant and attorneys behind their desk and the plaintiff/prosecutor behind theirs. The defendant is accused of xyz. Out of order, and in total disrespect for the judicial system, the defendant gets up, before proceedings begin and, requests the jurors all rise to demonstrate their position that he should be exonerated from all charges because he wrote successfully about the law, gave conferences and is famous. This exoneration is to be demanded regardless of the charges, guilty or innocent because the defendant is above the law due to his fame.

I would not rise and would actually request a psychological evaluation of the defendant.

Would you rise? Is this logical?

June 23:

Some of you have thought I might have acted too fast and not given the Church enough time to complete their investigation. You could be right, but you also don’t know the facts like I do.

Father Corapi is correct. I do not know all the facts. Why would I blindly follow him in disobedience to Bishop Mulvey and Servant Father Sheehan? Why would I appeal to Pope Benedict XVI when there was intervention with the Church process and his accusers have not so much as said a word?

 

[snowpea]

I found the blacksheepdog announcement ominous and pretty dark-both the voice and the imagery

 

[Shoshana]

Acts 22 22 Up to this word they listened to him; then they lifted up their voices and said, “Away with such a fellow from the earth! For he ought not to live.” 23 And as they cried out and waved their garments and threw dust into the air, 24 the tribune commanded him to be brought into the barracks, and ordered him to be examined by scourging, to find out why they shouted thus against him. 25 But when they had tied him up with the thongs, Paul said to the centurion who was standing by, "Is it lawful for you to scourge a man who is a Roman citizen, and uncondemned?" 26 When the centurion heard that, he went to the tribune and said to him, “What are you about to do? For this man is a Roman citizen.”

Read more: ewtn.com/ewtn/bible/search_bible.asp#ixzz1QJltc5P6

Acts 23

1 And Paul, looking intently at the council, said, “Brethren, I have lived before God in all good conscience up to this day.” 2 And the high priest Anani’as commanded those who stood by him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, “God shall strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me to be struck?” 4 Those who stood by said, “Would you revile God’s high priest?” 5 And Paul said, “I did not know, brethren, that he was the high priest; for it is written, `You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’” 6 But when Paul perceived that one part were Sad’ducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; with respect to the hope and the resurrection of the dead I am on trial.” 7 And when he had said this, a dissension arose between the Pharisees and the Sad’ducees; and the assembly was divided. 8 For the Sad’ducees say that there is no resurrection, nor angel, nor spirit; but the Pharisees acknowledge them all. 9 Then a great clamor arose; and some of the scribes of the Pharisees’ party stood up and contended, “We find nothing wrong in this man. What if a spirit or an angel spoke to him?” 10 ***And when the dissension became violent, the tribune, afraid that Paul would be torn in pieces by them, commanded the soldiers to go down and take him by force from among them and bring him into the barracks.

***Read more: ewtn.com/ewtn/bible/search_bible.asp#ixzz1QJm5J8yz

 

[John_of_Woking]

Did anyone else pick up on his youtube post that he is now going to be commenting on not just religious matters but other matters aswell. What do you think that will be? Baseball? Economics? Any ideas

 

[Shoshana]

Acts 25 7 And when he had come, the Jews who had gone down from Jerusalem stood about him, bringing against him many serious charges which they could not prove. 8 Paul said in his defense, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended at all.” 9 But Festus, wishing to do the Jews a favor, said to Paul, “Do you wish to go up to Jerusalem, and there be tried on these charges before me?” 10 But Paul said, “I am standing before Caesar’s tribunal, where I ought to be tried; to the Jews I have done no wrong, as you know very well. 11 If then I am a wrongdoer, and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death; but if there is nothing in their charges against me, no one can give me up to them. I appeal to Caesar.” 12 Then Festus, when he had conferred with his council, answered, “You have appealed to Caesar; to Caesar you shall go.”

Read more: ewtn.com/ewtn/bible/search_bible.asp#ixzz1QJnXijXe

 

[ac_claire]

My gosh. “Put up or shut up”? The man suggesting he’s using cocaine should bet his house or put up $100,000 and give it John Corapi if it the test comes back negative? “Not once did the church lift a finger to help me”? “Over a hundred thousand dollars in medical bills above in insurance.” and church didn’t help him but he’s “not bitter”. He believes certain persons in position of authority are the enemy of the Catholic church -none the less you (we) should love them and obey them… I used to love Fr. Corapi. I’ve seen him speak at conferences, and I own video of some of his talks. I find nothing priestly about his words. Deeply troubling to say the least…just very,very sad. I hate to say this but it seems he thinks far too much of himself instead of being a servant of Christ. That’s what his words speak to me anyway.

I, too, am also bothered by the contradictions. In some ways I’ve been able to understand his position more with every recorded statement or tweet or Facebook message he releases. But the contradictions are still there and they’re jarring. Why keep saying that he’s not bitter when the rest of his words and maybe his actions as well show that he’s so obviously bitter?

 

[valient_Lucy]

Father Corapi is correct. I do not know all the facts. Why would I blindly follow him in disobedience to Bishop Mulvey and Servant Father Sheehan? Why would I appeal to Pope Benedict XVI when there was intervention with the Church process and his accusers have not so much as said a word?

The reality is, none of us have to follow him. We never did. We have to follow the Magisterium, the pope and the bishops. None of us have to watch or listen to his videos or audio tapes, buy his products or hear him speak in person. We never did. We’re perfectly free to ignore him, as long as we follow the Church.

When Buddha died, he gave his followers permission to forget him, as long as they remembered his teachings. I think it’s the same with Corapi. As long as we remember the teachings of the Church, we’re perfectly free to forget him. If he’s a true servant of the Church, he would agree with that idea.

We don’t have to appeal to the Holy Father, nor should we. The Holy Father shouldn’t be troubled with something this unimportant.

It’s that simple.

 

[catharina]

**Thinking logically, I considered a scenario in where I served as a member of a jury. **The twelve jurors enter the courtroom, judge is behind the bench, the defendant and attorneys behind their desk and the plaintiff/prosecutor behind theirs. The defendant is accused of xyz. Out of order, and in total disrespect for the judicial system, the defendant gets up, before proceedings begin and, requests the jurors all rise to demonstrate their position that he should be exonerated from all charges because he wrote successfully about the law, gave conferences and is famous. This exoneration is to be demanded regardless of the charges, guilty or innocent because the defendant is above the law due to his fame.

I would not rise and would actually request a psychological evaluation of the defendant.

Would you rise? Is this logical?

June 23:

Some of you have thought I might have acted too fast and not given the Church enough time to complete their investigation. You could be right, but you also don’t know the facts like I do.

Father Corapi is correct. I do not know all the facts. Why would I blindly follow him in disobedience to Bishop Mulvey and Servant Father Sheehan? Why would I appeal to Pope Benedict XVI when there was intervention with the Church process and his accusers have not so much as said a word?

Calling your impression “logical” does not make it logical.
What you present is, instead, an action/scenario of your imagination.

Father Corapi needs our prayers.
The situation needs our prayers.
Indeed, we can pray for a peaceful resolution
and for abundant grace for all involved in the situation.

 

[surfinpure]

Thinking logically, I considered a scenario in where I served as a member of a jury. The twelve jurors enter the courtroom, judge is behind the bench, the defendant and attorneys behind their desk and the plaintiff/prosecutor behind theirs. The defendant is accused of xyz. Out of order, and in total disrespect for the judicial system, the defendant gets up, before proceedings begin and, requests the jurors all rise to demonstrate their position that he should be exonerated from all charges because he wrote successfully about the law, gave conferences and is famous.** This exoneration is to be demanded regardless of the charges, guilty or innocent because the defendant is above the law due to his fame. **

I would not rise and would actually request a psychological evaluation of the defendant.

Would you rise? Is this logical?

I understand your point, however I think we must not put words into anyone’s mouth. He has not claimed to be above the law and has not appealed to his fame. It would be wrong to speculate that this is what he believes.

Rather, he has complained that the process is unjust and is being wrongly applied to him. Whether either of those claims is true I have no way of knowing. I do know that he has compared the Church’s legal system with our United States legal system, which I don’t believe is entirely a reasonable thing to do. My own opinion there, of course.

 

[Abba]

Calling your impression “logical” does not make it logical.
What you present is, instead, an action/scenario of your imagination.

How is it illogical. I find it very applicable to the situation and I am just trying to put it in perspective.

Father Corapi needs our prayers.
The situation needs our prayers.
Indeed, we can pray for a peaceful resolution
and for abundant grace for all involved in the situation.

I am glad to learn that you are praying.

So am I and many people. I cannot imagine how many prayers have gone up to heaven this past week. Nor do I know, how many Masses have been afforded up, nor how many people have fasted and made sacrifices and this for our Bishops, the Church and her flock and for the priest.

I have the right to share my understanding even when it may differ with yours. I hope you are also advising the fans of Father Corapi (as he himself refers to his followers) to pray too. I hope it is not an attempt to silence me. Don’t worry about asking me to pray with such a tone. That is between me and God.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Father Corapi has never been accused of being a shrinking violet.

Some years back, he was told he had to have heart surgery but later found out the diagnosis was bogus. What did he do? He SUED! And he won.

Maybe he is a little tired of the milquetoast attitude of the church bureaucracy and maybe this is his way of shaking things up a bit.

Maybe, God is working through him … in the tradition of St. Athanasius, perhaps.

Sticking up for yourself is not always a bad thing.

 

[catharina]

I have the right to share my understanding even when it may differ with yours. I hope you are also advising the fans of Father Corapi (as he himself refers to his followers) to pray too. I hope it is not an attempt to silence me. Don’t worry about asking me to pray with such a tone. That is between me and God.

As I stated very clearly and will now state again:

"Father Corapi needs our prayers.
The situation needs our prayers.
Indeed, we can pray for a peaceful resolution
and for abundant grace for all involved in the situation."

It’s beyond me that such a statement might offend you or anyone.
“Such a tone?” That must mean something to you.
It means absolutley nothing to me.

 

[Teelynn]

Did anyone else pick up on his youtube post that he is now going to be commenting on not just religious matters but other matters aswell. What do you think that will be? Baseball? Economics? Any ideas

Probably the sad state or our totally immoral political system.

 

[whm]

How is it illogical. I find it very applicable to the situation and I am just trying to put it in perspective.

I am sorry but your analogy came across as very biased it ends up being kind of a straw man argument. I understand everybody is very emotional about all this it is really hard to put all emotions aside and analyze all these weird pieces of information we get.

If all we had was the basic facts about a stalemated proceeding, none of the emotional blacksheepdog stuff/posts, speculations, polarization etc. perhaps there could be a reasonable discussion to be had on the legal process or when to take a stand to fix the system or whatever I think there could be a great discussion about these things. I just don’t think it is possible right now.

I see points on all sides to either defend or I think is unfair (both for both sides), but it is so polarized right now that any comment is seen as 100% backing of everything that has gone on for one side or the other. So what’s the point, it just makes more people upset and I don’t want that, it ends up making everybody more upset.

 

[debraran]

This is just a thought, but since Father has been unhappy for a while, a few years, he told his superiors, maybe more, do you think he started to look at the priesthood like a business instead of a sacrament? If he could do the same thing as a layman, why not and not have to deal with the “boss”.? That said, he wouldn’t have these choices without the priesthood, the business, DVD’s, all of that wouldn’t have happened.If he had the same thoughts, same drive, no one would really listen if he hadn’t been a priest.
That is what I think is sad, not that he is leaving that 90%, using the 10% as he put it, that he thinks of it that way. He is a priest, ordained a preist and although he wont be calling himself a priest, felt he could just carry on without the title. His old tapes on humilty, trust, obedience, just don’t ring the same now that when tested, he left.

A priest that leaves to get married, to have a family, I understand in a way, but to do the same thing, but without the rules, it’s all business, money and power. I wished he gave it more time, secular cases take a long time, it’s not like sueing is fast in any court if he goes that route. (if he filed a case it would be open to public)

I will wait and see, but whether he uses his gifts preaching and selling or just lives off his made money, I hope he is always a good example.
He has a gift, how he uses it, will be the question.

 

[Shoshana]

His teaching, whether on humility or not, are still very valid for now. Whether he or anybody else passes the test, God knows. Jesus’ apostles certainly did not. My soul or mind is not affected or is clouded when it comes to his teachings as being not real…because…well…they are REAL! and HOLY!

 

[debraran]

You are right, although it’s nice to see people practice what they preach. Jesus’s followers later did more than I can imagine doing. When I read how much people like Mother Theresa and Mother Angelicas suffered, both in many ways without saying anything, I just know Father would make a statement that way also if he stayed.

He has all he had before he fell, the homes, boat, fast cars, trips, and there is a part of me that prays the secular toys and things don’t cloud the prayers and devotion to God…I pray everyday, God, I’m still a work in progress and so is Father Corapi (or John Corapi) whatever he wants it to be.

 

[PbloPicasso]

I have a feeling that this is a game of musical chairs. The advice to take legal action this way may be a way to circumvent the ridiculously unfair canon laws set before clergy. Even if Padre were guilty of something, this is still unfair, unless he raped the woman. And I seriously doubt that he would stoop to that or using his place of authority to manipulate a woman into a sexual relationship. Further, there is such a thing as being very tired to the point of appearing drunk or stoned. Fr. Corapi may not be a Saint, but I do believe he lives a holy life. The choices he’s made are for a reason. It may be to simply save his sanity. He will live chaste I’m sure. It’s sad, but now it’s up to him and God.