Fr John Corapi has Announced in a Video Message that he is Leaving the Priesthood

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Then I would have stayed, if she was really that crazy, he should have papers about any assault, he said he has tapes, it would have been fine. If later, something happened and he wasn’t, then he can come out with it, but I still say, it’s too one-sided. Maybe,even if she was crazy, she still had truths to some thngs, if she did it out of anger alone, other people would be character witness’s. If she saw things and others couldn’t testify because of the contracts, that could be problematic. I would let them talk, just about the case, not the business, that is what the bishops said was holding things up. Maybe this wasn’t the first time the bishops heard anything…it’s just to hard to judge, they are priests also and it’s not a job today I would want.

It’s just a mess, but whatever the reason, he wanted to leave for a while and I guess this was the last straw. If he was in a spiritual dryness also, even more understandable.
 
One of my friends is a priest who was falsely accused of “improper conduct”. His father is also a good friend of mine.

The priest-friend had to sit around his parents’ house, going crazy with worry? … with uncertainty? … with absolutely no news, no information, no communication with the chancery office.

They all knew the accusations were false. They were not only false and from a location where he had never been, but they were anonymous accusations, as well. Anti-catholic lawyers even said the accusations were false.

Anyway, after hanging by his thumbs and twisting in the wind, he got a simple phone call to go back to work.

No explanations. Nothing. No trial. No hearings. No questions. No insight into the investigation.

Just, “go back to work”.

How long was he just sitting doing nothing?

Two years.
 
*]Both demanded their civil rights. - **Difference being that Paul demanded his rights as a Roman citizen against the local, civil court. Corapi is demanding his civil rights above his duty to the church. This is the point that bothers me the most. That he could not set aside his right to sue someone until after the church investigation was over. **
 
I thought Father had people alone working on his case and it was thought to be quicker. There really wasn’t much to look at, they had accusations, a few people to ask questions, but who knows?
With children, abuse, even stealing money, that could take quite a while, but this didn’t seem like it should.
If he thinks a civil trial will be quicker, that will be years, but something tells me that wont happen either, I think he just wants it to go away.
I was reading “good” Catholic news again today, vocations up in our Domincan parish, vocations up in some convents, EWTN’s had to branch off and they are growing…it’s time for more of that news and less of this, it’s too depressing.
 
That is a terrible sad story! However, the scandal going on right now is not at all a good way to get cannon law changed over this. I do hope your friend has recovered from his time “in the desert” and has a good parish now. I will pray for him.
One of my friends is a priest who was falsely accused of “improper conduct”. His father is also a good friend of mine.

The priest-friend had to sit around his parents’ house, going crazy with worry? … with uncertainty? … with absolutely no news, no information, no communication with the chancery office.

They all knew the accusations were false. They were not only false and from a location where he had never been, but they were anonymous accusations, as well. Anti-catholic lawyers even said the accusations were false.

Anyway, after hanging by his thumbs and twisting in the wind, he got a simple phone call to go back to work.

No explanations. Nothing. No trial. No hearings. No questions. No insight into the investigation.

Just, “go back to work”.

How long was he just sitting doing nothing?

Two years.
 
We cannot ascertain humility, as this is God’s domain. The outward appearance are very deceiving to gauge true humility.
I couldn’t agree more. Many of us are acting like we can read the man’s heart. We need to stop doing that.
The way I look at it, there are saints (big S or small s) are called to challenge and others do not. It all depends on what God wants from them. And how can one question that? St Francis challenged not even a priest who was having an affair, yet, we have st catherine of siena who challenged a pope…and everything else in between…God’s ways are not our ways.🤷
Yes, very true, God’s ways are most certainly not our ways. Why do people insist that Fr. John MUST do this, or he MUST do that? Are we his spiritual directors?

Since we do not know everything that’s going on, we just need to pray… pray… and pray some more, for Fr., the accuser and everyone else involved in all of this.

Further speculation on this topic is really unnecessary and I think has the potential to do more harm than good. We ought to give Fr. John the benefit of the doubt, I’d say he’s earned it over the years.

Just pray for the man, everyone! Pray for him! :gopray:
 
I couldn’t agree more. Many of us are acting like we can read the man’s heart. We need to stop doing that.

Yes, very true, God’s ways are most certainly not our ways. Why do people insist that Fr. John MUST do this, or he MUST do that? Are we his spiritual directors?

Since we do not know everything that’s going on, we just need to pray… pray… and pray some more, for Fr., the accuser and everyone else involved in all of this.

Further speculation on this topic is really unnecessary and I think has the potential to do more harm than good. We ought to give Fr. John the benefit of the doubt, I’d say he’s earned it over the years.

Just pray for the man, everyone! Pray for him! :gopray:
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I can’t agree with you more. Prayer is greatly needed…the video that CatholicFireman put up is TOTALLY awesome about gossip and/or slander and the difference. Godd topic for meditation. Lord have mercy! Thank you Catholci Firmean! God bless you and all here…but especially for all who are involved in this drama.

Prayer is needed, not advice to Fr corapi and certainly not anything else…presumption is also a sin.
 
Rather than Paul I think a comparrison between Corapi and Malachi Martin is more appropriate. And I like Malachi Martin!
 
One of my friends is a priest who was falsely accused of “improper conduct”. His father is also a good friend of mine.

The priest-friend had to sit around his parents’ house, going crazy with worry? … with uncertainty? … with absolutely no news, no information, no communication with the chancery office.

They all knew the accusations were false. They were not only false and from a location where he had never been, but they were anonymous accusations, as well. Anti-catholic lawyers even said the accusations were false.

Anyway, after hanging by his thumbs and twisting in the wind, he got a simple phone call to go back to work.

No explanations. Nothing. No trial. No hearings. No questions. No insight into the investigation.

Just, “go back to work”.

How long was he just sitting doing nothing?

Two years.
That’s what we agree to abide by when we either enter a seminary and become deacons or priests or when we enter a religious order and make vows. Our lives are not our own.
The way I look at it, there are saints (big S or small s) are called to challenge and others do not. It all depends on what God wants from them. And how can one question that? St Francis challenged not even a priest who was having an affair, yet, we have st catherine of siena who challenged a pope…and everything else in between…God’s ways are not our ways.🤷
Don’t be fooled by what people say about St. Catherine. Those who need an excuse to challenge the Church at every turn have conveniently inflated that story and the story of Paul and Peter.

Let’s look at the real facts. First, Catherine physically punished any member of her community who dared speak against a cleric or a religious. It was not allowed, because Dominic did not allow it. It’s against Dominican statutes.

Second, it is true that Catherine wrote letters to the pope and to other religious leaders. However, those letters were confidential. No one was not know what they said, except the recipient. We know about them, because they were published after her death. During her lifetime, no one knew about these ongoing dialogues between her and Church authorities. She did not make her concerns public. The only people who knew were her Dominican superior and her scribe, because Catherine didn’t learn to write until very late in life.

Third, Catherine closes every letter with a promise of fidelity and obedience. She tells her reader that if she is wrong, she willingly submits to his authority. She does not claim to be right. She is encouraging, not challenging in her letters. Read them.

Let’s look at Paul. If Paul had believed that he had the right to rule on the case of the Gentiles, he would have done so and not bothered to go back to Jerusalem to the Council. If the other Apostles had felt that they could run the Church as they saw fit, they would not have gone back to Jerusalem. Paul and the others knew the danger of going back to Jerusalem. The Romans were still in control and being a Christian was a capital offense. They went to Jerusalem because Peter was there. It was very important to them to plead the case of the Gentiles before Peter, to get his verdict on the matter.

Peter concedes the point, because circumcision is not a moral law. It was a custom. The Jewish customs were no longer necessary. The moral laws were. That’s why they kept the OT and the Commandments. Paul manages to persuade Peter. He does not question is authority. If Peter had ruled against Paul, he would have submitted. This is very visible in the way that Paul addresses him. He never calls him by his name, Simon. He calls him Cephas (Rock). Titles were very important to Jews. No Jew would ever call another man Rock, but Paul does.

There is a lot of misrepresentation of these great saints and their obedience to the Church. They were persuasive, but they were also submissive.

The problem with Father Corapi’s case is that many people feel that they have a right to know. This is not true. Canon Law does not guarantee us the right to know. In fact, Canon Law protects the privacy of the accused and the accuser. There is no moral right to know what happens in the private life of another person. It is up to the person to reveal whatever they choose to reveal.

Church authorities do not have an obligation to reveal anything about this case. There is no crime. If there were, the Church would only be obliged to reveal whatever the DA’s office needs to know and they only need to reveal it to the DA’s office and the police, not to the world. Since there is no crime here, there is nothing that needs to be revealed. The most charitable thing to do is to let Father and the Church figure out what he’s doing next and stop giving too many opinions. Too many opinions can often lead to speculation and gossip. We don’t want to go there.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I just heard Fr. Wade Menezes homily and you really can’t get any better of an explanation then this. The internet forums and blogs are not the place for this. I had enough. I hope he works things out with the Church and God. He’s an adult. God Bless.🙂

Homily 06-20-2011 - Fr. Wade Menezes, CPM - Weekday
youtu.be/Bk9AA9WWT84
 
Thank you Bro for this lesson! Your teachings always inspire me…:)…you must be avid reader or have a photographic memory or something…can you start a community here? (just kidding but wish you could…:))
 
I just heard Fr. Wade Menezes homily and you really can’t get any better of an explanation then this. The internet forums and blogs are not the place for this. I had enough. I hope he works things out with the Church and God. He’s an adult. God Bless.🙂

Homily 06-20-2011 - Fr. Wade Menezes, CPM - Weekday
youtu.be/Bk9AA9WWT84
Certainly a good examination of conscience…must share with my spiritual director. And here I thought the Way of Perfection was enough I could handle at this point…:o I wonder if I could find the text to this for my personal use?
 
Well, that is literally what Our Lord Jesus did, he died for us. He did not quit his mission nor resigned from his priesthood.
Yes, of course! But then, that was His purpose. Fr. Corapi is not here to die for our sins. Jesus already did that!

Clearly from his own messages, Corapi feels that his mission is not completed, and that silencing himself is equivalent to “lie down and die”. So it seems clear to me that he continues to be passionately committed to his mission.

He does not want to resign from the priesthood. This is what he has said. I see no reason not to take it at face value.

He can no longer function publicly as a priest. This was the decision of his bishop, and he has accepted it, and decided to “move on”.
Praise be to God! And, that is exactly what Paul did. Now, that I type Paul’s name, I cringe at the thought that people have claimed that Father Corapi is a prophet like Paul.
Perhaps you have not listened to his preaching? Of course there is no prophet like Paul (he was a one and only) but Corapi has a gift, and has exercised it to the best of his ability for 20 years. He has produced some marvellous fruit. Even if the Catechism was the only thing he had done, the contribution to our generation is massive.
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To carry on, and that is exactly what Peter did. I don't see how Father Corapi is justified in comparing himself with Moses and capitalizing "I AM " oh, sure, sure, it was just to emphasize it, but, he is an educated priest and knows what that would recall to those of us familiar with Sacred Scripture, yet, he still capitalized it.
I think you misunderstood. He was emphasizing “I AM LISTENING”. He got a great deal of chastizement after his announcement, heard the admonitions of the faithful, and reversed his course. He realized it was not right to publish any more audio of his accuser. I thank God he is listening! I am very grateful he accepted this admonishment and repented of his plan. I see the HS at work in that. I thought the reference to Moses was a little strange, but I understand the point he was making is that the battle will be lost if he does not allow others to help him hold up his arms. This is very true. He needs support and humility right now. That is how the people helped Moses. When his arms got tired, they held them up so that the battle would not be lost. I can see how the reference might be taken as arrogant, though. People might think he sees himself as a “Moses”.
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As I said, you have an answer for all the thinking that is not blindly following Father Corapi.
I am sorry, Abba, you lost me here. I do not understand what you are trying to say.

I think it is a mistake for human beings to “blindly follow” anyone. I often engage in debates with my separated brethren here on CAF who believe Catholics “blindly follow the Church”. I find it an offensive accusation, as I have had to think, study, pray, and work out my understanding of the faith. None of it is “blind” for me.

If there are people “blindly following” Corapi, then maybe this whole thing is for the greater good, since such a situation is not good for them, or for him.
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As for me, I try to discern keeping in mind the Creed, the teaching of Holy Mother Church and in this situation additionally the fact that Bishop Mulvey is the authority in this matter and I trust he has made a correct decision.
Yes. I do too.
 
I am just waiting for his final decision regarding this matter.
I don’t really think he will have one. Since Corapi has effectively blocked the investigation, there is really nothing more he can do, is there? I think that is why Corapi says that there was no chance that his faculties would be restored, and so he is choosing to “move on”.
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 What is wrong with this::)
What is wrong with waiting for the Bishop to make a final decision?

I think his decision is final. Corapi is under suspension, and this will not change. Did I misunderstand your question?
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 If the allegations against Father Corapi are true, in whole or in part, then it is best for all concerned—including the Church as a whole—that he be laicized.
How do you figure that? That seems to me to be a bad idea.
The behavior he is alleged to have engaged in is consistent with Father Corapi’s own account of his life before his mother, with the perseverance of Saint Monica, prayed him back into the Church. If he has relapsed into the self-destructive behavior that once left him penniless, homeless, drug-addicted, and near death, he will never be able to function as a priest again without causing scandal.
Yes, but if he is laicized, then the Church does not have the level of jurisdiciton over him as they do should he remain a priest. The potential is much greater of a loose canon bringing harm to the flock. If he remains a priest under Holy Orders, he can be reassigned, and effectively kept quiet and out of the public eye. I live out here in a hotbed of sexually abusive priests, and two treatment centers for them in the area. I have seen that it is much more effective to separate and control priests with harmful behaviors if they are not laicized. There are many of them that have been “disappeared” into cloistered desert monasteries. This was the practice before all the sex scandals hit the news.
If, on the other hand, the allegations against Father Corapi are completely untrue, then the action that he took on “both Trinity Sunday on the Catholic liturgical calendar and Fathers’ Day on the secular calendar” is, in some ways, even worse than what he was alleged to have done.
How so?
Drug abuse could destroy his health and affect the people around him; having (presumably consensual) sexual relations with several women would be a violation of his vows and affect his spiritual life and theirs.
Yes, but if none of this happened, why should he be treated as if it has, when it did not?
I understand, with regard to the protection of children, it is necessary to respond immediately and sometimes drastically to prevent abuse. But he is being treated as a child molester would be, when the allegations have nothing to do with that.
But in leaving the priesthood (and, in so doing, bringing the investigation into the allegations against him to a crashing halt), Father Corapi is breaking the most important promise he has ever made, the vows that he took at his ordination.
I am confused by this. It was not his choice to be relieved of his duties as a priest. He did not want this, and can’t do anything to change it.

I think you have it backwards. His choice to accept that he will be suspended permanently had nothing to do with the investigation coming to a halt. It would remain halted had he returned to his community and lived out the rest of his days as a suspended priest.
And by doing so publicly, and by publicly damning the ecclesiastical authorities that even he acknowledges have “the right to govern” as they see fit, he not only places his own soul in danger but encourages distrust, anger, and even hatred of Church authorities in his many followers, putting their souls at risk as well.catholicism.about.com/b/2011/06/21/a-priest-forever-the-strange-case-of-fr-john-corapi.htm
I don’t hear any “damning of authorities” at all. He does not think the process is fair, he feels mistreated, and he believes he and his Bishop are the victims of politicians and other Bishops he has pissed off over the years. When you listen to his talks, it is easy to see how many bishops would complain about him. He has a very “in your face” way of confronting Bishops tolerating sin. In one story he told at a meeting he attended in South America, or about the Latin Church losing members to evengelicals, it sounded like he got on the wrong side of a whole roomful of them! I can only imagine how many complaints get back to his bishop.
 
And to the poster that said he never said he wanted to leave, although we didn’t see the letter, SOLT said he was unhappy for years as a priest and wanted to leave that and SOLT. It’s in their statement and I doubt they are lying…he never said it wasn’t true.

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On 16 March 2011, the Bishop of Corpus Christi, Texas, and the SOLT received a complaint against Fr. John Corapi, SOLT. As is normal procedure and due to the gravity of the accusation alleging conduct not in concert with the priestly state or his promises as a member of a society of apostolic life of diocesan right, Fr. Corapi was suspended from active ministry (put on administrative leave) until such a time that the complaint could be fully investigated and due process given to Fr. Corapi. In the midst of the investigation, the SOLT received a letter from Fr. Corapi, dated June 3, 2011, indicating that, because of the physical, emotional and spiritual distress he has endured over the past few years, he could no longer continue to function as a priest or a member of the SOLT. Although the investigation was in progress, the SOLT had not arrived at any conclusion as to the credibility of the allegations under investigation." end quote

That letter also preceded his announcement to us, maybe to coincide with Father’s Day/ordination, he waited.
I read this post also, but I don’t see anywhere that “he has been unhappy as a priest for years”.

It sounds like he has been wounded, and increasingly constrained. When he says that the “physical, emotional, and spiritual distress” makes him no longer able to function, I don’t see that as unhappiness over his priesthood. To me that means that he is wounded, depleted,and is unable to comply with what he is being asked to do. One of his messages indicated strong sentiments of “the church never lifted a finger to help me”. That speaks to me of feeling unsupported in his role as a priest.
 
I guess it’s up for interpretation, but he was absent for a long time and they also said they would help him be laicized if needed. Why bring it up? It seemed like he might have discussed it with them. This case wasn’t going on for years and I remember him saying he wanted to take a year or two off to write…he seemed tired of touring, etc. He said although others thought he should preach, he really didn’t like it early on.
The spiritual distress is the most depressing, you really feel disconnected then.
Hopefully he’ll find the right thing to do.
 
I just dont see why people can take up this man’s rhetoric and side with him against not jsut one bishop but MANY bishops. Sounds like we have a problem of respect and obediance. I am astounded and humbled by the patience of Holy Mother Church and her Bishops.
I don’t think it is at all necessary to take sides. He has been clear that he does not want an “adversarial” relationship with the authorities, even though he does not agree with the process. He has urged people to obey the bishop.

Maybe he does have a problem with respect and obedience. I am sure there are many character flaws that he must struggle with daily as we all do. His expressions seemed angry, frustrated, and betrayed. I think a lot has happened that we don’t know about, and will never know about. When he refers to “the last few years”, it seems like calumny of this kind has been going on for some time, and his feeling of being unsupported in his apostolate as well.
 
You say several times that John Corpai is permanently suspended. That is not the case. That was made clear from the quotes by his religious superiors in the NCR article. He, like every other priest under investigation, was temporarily suspended. He, like many priests before him, could have been reinstated if the investigation proved him innocent.
I admit that I don’t know much about canon law, or these kinds of procedures. And perhaps I did not express myself well. On Ash Wed. he was put on admin leave. During the next 3-4 mo. it seems that he became pursuaded by his advisors and canon lawyers, that he was not going to be reinstated. If he cooperated with the process, he would only be exonerated “by accident”. It seems rather far fetched to me, because I don’t want to believe that an innocent person would be treated guilty, but I know it does happen. What matters is that HE is pursuaded that he will not be reinstated - that his faculties being suspended will continue indefinitely. This makes sense to me, since he has stymied the investigation by filing a lawsuit against his accuser for violating her non-disclosure agreement. Since his privileges are suspended pending investigation, and the investigation is stopped because of the lawsuit, he views his status of suspension as permanent - or perhaps “indefinite” is a better word?
The investigation under cannon law did not permanently suspend him. However, his decision to pursue his civil case before the church finished his investigation does mean that the investigation cannot proceed. His status “in limbo” is a direct result of his own actions.
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You also say that the Bishop "just wants Corapi to go work under some other Bishop who has time to deal with such things".
Honestly, I don’t know what his Bishop wants! But, would this not be understandible? I mean, he has a diocese to run, and it sounds like these kind of issues have been going on with Corapi for at least a decade, and have gotten worse in the past few years. It must create a lot of headaches for the man.
That is a highly uncharitable thing to say about any Bishop.
Why should he be expected to deal with all this drama? Why should Corapi not be under someone else’s jurisdiction? Nobody ever asked him if he wanted to take on the duty! He was appointed over the diocese. It happened that Corapi belonged to the SOLT that is headquartered there. My understanding is that he doesn’t even live in that diocese! How come it has to land in his lap?
Yes, I’m sure it is difficult to be in charge of a priest who does not live in your diocese and does not have facilities to function as a priest in the diocese where he does live.
I am glad I made this part clear, at least. :o
However, to claim that Bishop of Corpus Christi (or the Bishop of Helena) just can’t be bothered, is unbecoming, even if said in jest.
I don’t mean it that way. Obviously he is most certainly “bothered” and trying to respond appropriately. I was not “jesting”. Just trying to get into his shoes, and seeing how dealing with this takes his attention away from other duties toward his flock.
I am very saddened by this whole situation. The worst of it being what some Catholics are saying about bishops in a case in which we all know so little.
I think a lot of negativity has been flung on both sides. It is not necessary for this to be adversarial or for either one or the other party to be in the wrong. I dont’ know either Corapi, or the Bishop, but I trust that both of them are men of God, who have devoted their whole lives to serving the flock of God.
St Michael, pray for us!
Amen!
 
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