Oh, quite the contrary – I have no interest in hearing others attack the pope. What I find curious though is that discussions of him typically turn into a discussion of modernism. If what he says and does are not examples of modernism, I don’t understand why every thread on him brings up the topic.Finally, while I realize you want to push my comments into an attack on Pope Francis, sorry, I am not taking the bait. I am a Catholic and I like Pope Francis very much. I don’t agree with every thing he says, such as this recent statement, but in my comments, I was only explaining that modernism has been around and attacking the Church for more than 60 years.
God bless.
I suspect that there are threads about the Pope where modernism is not brought up and threads where modernism is brought up but have nothing to do with Pope Francis.I don’t understand why every thread on him brings up the topic
then you believe he has modernist leanings?bemoaning his modernist leanings.
I believe there are times he has modernist leanings, not always, but yes at times he does and what he says confuses Catholics, but he is the pope, and I was taught to respect those in authority, even if I disagree with them, so that is what I do .No. I was using the language of those who believe he does.
As one of the persons described, I must say that the Holy Father’s refusal to clearly and consistently proclaim the Church’s teachings on marriage and the family has made my job as a parent much, much harder. I can no longer trust the institutional Church with the upbringing of my children. Now I have to personally vet the Catholic schools and their staff to make sure that they haven’t bought into the media’s narrative of distortion and misinterpretation… a narrative that wouldn’t exist if our Shepherd wasn’t so nice to the wolves.Father forgot a group: Catholic parents and grandparents who have been working very hard and will be working hard trying to teach their children God’s desire and purpose for marriage and relationships.
They are all falling on their knees in deep prayer.
I like this very much; forgiving and praying.this helps me relate to and forgive the Holy Father for his failings. It also helps me to pray for him.
Argumentum as populum fallacy, followed by an post hoc ergo prompter hoc.And I don’t need to cite any source. You know as well as anyone that I’m right.
You might be speaking of individuals though, and then you would be quite right.Over the past 115 years, the global Catholic population has more than quadrupled, from 266 million in 1900 to 1.2 billion in 2015, according to the World Christian Database. This growth mirrors the world’s soaring population in the same period, with Catholics hovering around 17% of the total population throughout.
When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. - Galatians 2:11Even Peter was rebuked by Paul.
Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that as you lose members.Argumentum as populum fallacy, followed by an post hoc ergo prompter hoc.
Africa and Asia Catholics reject alot of the modernism found in the western Catholic Church.Africa and Asia, there is not even good correlation, and no evidence of causation
These statistics are usually not correct because they dont take into consideration those who are Catholic in name only, or those who exit right after confirmation.the past 115 years, the global Catholic population has more than quadrupled,
You’re kidding me right? Ultra-conservative, borderline Jansenist Catholicism, caused nearly my entire province of Quebec to lose its faith.Liberal approaches to faith have caused more to lose the faith.
If I remember right this was something that happened in your own province, not everywhere, especially since Jansenism mostly died out in the late 1700’s.You’re kidding me right? Ultra-conservative, borderline Jansenist Catholicism, caused nearly my entire province of Quebec to lose its faith .
Here in Québec, most simply left the Church during the Quiet Revolution. Which happened to coincide with Vatican II time-wise, but make no mistake Vatican II is not why the Church emptied. In fact based on my contacts within the local Church where I visit (or rather visited due to the pandemic) multiple parishes each year with our schola, while the Gregorian chant is appreciated on an occasional basis, the vast majority of the small minority that remained in the Church did so because of Vatican II, not in spite of it.One of the largest denominations today is “ex-Catholics”. Non denominational churches are packed with them.
I think we will have to agree to disagree here. This has not been my experience. I also have anecdotal experiences that say different and that Vatican II took away the Church they loved. Not true, the Catholic church is still there but that was how they saw it.the vast majority of the small minority that remained in the Church did so because of Vatican II, not in spite of it.
As a Catholic revert who spent many, many years in non denominational Churches, one of the main reasons cited for Catholics being there is that the Catholic church has become worldly and has turned away from Scripture.I’m willing to bet that many of the ex-Catholics in non-denom churches were in fact not driven out by modernism, but were driven out because they couldn’t find their place due to the Church’s rigidity
This might seem to some as being a Church “rigidity” but it is Christ’s teaching on marriage and to look at it differently is modernism.due to the Church’s rigidity on certain issues (the main one being divorce and remarriage).