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AlanFromWichita
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Dude chill.
All we had to go on was one side of the story.
Now that you are here maybe we can sort through some of the presuppositions that we took on and that haven’t yet been dispelled.
Alan
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All we had to go on was one side of the story.
Now that you are here maybe we can sort through some of the presuppositions that we took on and that haven’t yet been dispelled.
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AlanFromWichita
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That’s what we’re here for, both objective advice and speculation. That’s human discussion.
Frankly, it sounds like your problem may be precisely that we did take what was given to us. Evidently you grossly misunderestimated the effect a brief conversation would have on your partner and until you saw her talking to us you were absolutely clueless about it and causing her a great deal of uneasiness that you must have been oblivious to in order to tell us we are taking this thing all wrong.
You have clearly communicated something to her that you now deny. You can begin to thank us now for helping to get this straightened out before she became much more mixed up.
That is absolutely false. In fact, the advice you’re reeling against most is that I did put myself in the shoes of a man much younger than myself, about whom a woman would say what Angel was saying.
Well, sir, obviously you didn’t. Don’t blame us because you were clueless to the mess. Why do you think your business partner was reluctant to be honest with you on this? What does that say about making business decisions together when you can’t even see the monster that is right in front of your face.
I’m all about starting a new and exciting ministry. You had better learn to weather the storms together better than this or you are in for a lot of unfortunate surprises.
If you are being honest with us now, then she will now know and you can let the healing begin.
In God you can trust. All others pay cash.
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AlanFromWichita
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Dear angel83,
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it now. One thing that makes it hard for us men – especially those new to man/woman relationships – is that women have a much more complex understanding of relationships, and as you have now pointed out, one mention of certain facts can stay alive indefinitely until it is dealt with. Really, men can be that clueless to what may seem obvious to women, and I believe your characterization of him as a good person.
I hope in the future you will find it easier to discuss things directly as you are speaking here. If this guy is like you say then now that the “cards are on the table” it is easier to deal with. I’m sure I would have been as surprised if I had been “blindsided” with that much information at once, so hopefully this will not get worse before it gets better.
Thank you for sharing your personal story here, and as I can see it was at some cost you did so. Hopefully it was useful for you.
Peace,
Alan
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angel83
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Hi everyone! It’s been a few days…haha. Just to let everyone know HFNB06 has completely opened himself to seeking truth and will be getting a spiritual director. He’s no longer minimizing the situation because he sees how much it hurts me and for that I’m so thankful.
For now my mom’s spiritual director has demanded that we suspend contact so some of you were right about that. I’m going to be getting a spiritual director of my own as well but that may take a few WEEKS. So in the mean time I’ve been trying to solve some loopholes that I see in the “I Have Free Will In This” theory. I’ve been searching on-line and haven’t found much on this and thought that you guys could provide some more insight.
#1) Couldn’t things happen to change our free will against our current will? Picture the domino effect. What if God permitted the line up of natural circumstances so a domino (or person) had no other possibility of falling but a certain way?
#2) I’ve been researching and it appears ‘free will’ refers to my ability to control my CHOICES and actions. Not the ability to control my FEELINGS and thus any ‘romanic’ feelings that might come just because ‘I don’t will’ them. Many feelings or things happening to us occur against our wills or desires.
I just don’t understand. If I say today “God I don’t want to be with this person… and it is my strongest will that nothing happens that changes my will.” Is that enough based on the previous two points? These loopholes with free will scare me….
Also this doesn’t relate but one final question.
As for my friend seeing what would happen in the future… this doesn’t normally occur, right? Yes some might have premonitions based on prayer or common sense, of things that might happen in the near future- but I’ve never heard of someone being shown or told the ‘end of the story’ in THEIR lives. He saw everything that would turn out in his life, the end result of the ministry, who he’d be with… I mean I have strong feelings and guesses the ministry will succeed, but I couldn’t imagine God ‘telling’ me that. If one knows the ‘end of the story’ what is the point of having faith or trust?? No wonder he is euphoric and feels his attacks are over… this all just deeply doesn’t seem right.
For now my mom’s spiritual director has demanded that we suspend contact so some of you were right about that. I’m going to be getting a spiritual director of my own as well but that may take a few WEEKS. So in the mean time I’ve been trying to solve some loopholes that I see in the “I Have Free Will In This” theory. I’ve been searching on-line and haven’t found much on this and thought that you guys could provide some more insight.
First of all I agree God wouldn’t ‘force’ anything but…
#1) Couldn’t things happen to change our free will against our current will? Picture the domino effect. What if God permitted the line up of natural circumstances so a domino (or person) had no other possibility of falling but a certain way?
#2) I’ve been researching and it appears ‘free will’ refers to my ability to control my CHOICES and actions. Not the ability to control my FEELINGS and thus any ‘romanic’ feelings that might come just because ‘I don’t will’ them. Many feelings or things happening to us occur against our wills or desires.
I just don’t understand. If I say today “God I don’t want to be with this person… and it is my strongest will that nothing happens that changes my will.” Is that enough based on the previous two points? These loopholes with free will scare me….
Also this doesn’t relate but one final question.
As for my friend seeing what would happen in the future… this doesn’t normally occur, right? Yes some might have premonitions based on prayer or common sense, of things that might happen in the near future- but I’ve never heard of someone being shown or told the ‘end of the story’ in THEIR lives. He saw everything that would turn out in his life, the end result of the ministry, who he’d be with… I mean I have strong feelings and guesses the ministry will succeed, but I couldn’t imagine God ‘telling’ me that. If one knows the ‘end of the story’ what is the point of having faith or trust?? No wonder he is euphoric and feels his attacks are over… this all just deeply doesn’t seem right.
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anna1978
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I don’t know this guy, but if you’re not attracted to him, it ain’t gonna happen…pure and simple. I do believe in God sending us our ‘soul-mate’, but NOT in the situation you describe…
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AlanFromWichita
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I’ve thought things like this, where it seemed things were just too well lined up to be a coincidence. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t know whether to blame it on “circumstances,” or on “luck,” or on “God cleared the way” for whatever it is.
Personally I may speculate that events going a certain way is a message from God but I am extremely reluctant to claim as much, especially around someone else who could be affected by it and isn’t used to me making such pronouncements.
From my experience, I can just as easily find a string of negative events and say “God is testing me” or “God is letting me be tested by satan” or whatever. For the most part, I think if you live an active, eventful life, there will be times it seems God has arranged everything in a certain way. Since my idea of God is more like “the Cloud of the Unknowing” I’m not trying to put faces or assign human personality attributes and conclusions therefore, onto God.
Strategy-wise, I try not to look at any particularly obvious setups as a specific gift from God any more than I look at obvious traps as specific tests from Him. I simply look at my situation, and decide based on what I know from the past and what I perceive about the present, to decide how to travel into the future.
Some disagree but I think we can, in fact, control how we feel by changing the way we think about. Most people don’t maybe realize this because they’ve been told too many times (and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy) that their feelings just “are.”
Maybe that is true, but our feelings come directly out of our thoughts, and we can, given the will and perhaps some guidance, change the way we think about things. Most of the ways we think about things are adopted and borrowed from other people and that’s why it can even be hard to even know what our own “value system” given a difficult situation. Everything we use to describe and measure our situation is a borrowed thought.
When we conform our hearts and minds to the Holy Spirit, our “feelings” will have less power – if any – to run interference with us. Feelings can be good indicators that something doesn’t add up right, but they can actually dictate how we think instead of the other way around. Short term, I accept that people don’t know where there feelings come from, nor do they have the resources to battle them. Take it from me, though, a person who has nearly completely recovered from “severe bipolar illness” that yes, one can get control over his own feelings and emotions – and it is partly an act of will to do so.
I’m not sure whether God works as an “enforcer” of your own personal will if you pray to Him. It’s like, if I tell someboedy not to let me out of the closet no matter what I say, and then start pleading with them to let me out of the closet, how are you to know whether I meant it before. Maybe when we locked ourselves in (for what I don’t know maybe a 1 hour escape or something) we must have realized that our will would change or we would have not needed a sentinel. Similarly, if we “bind ourselves” to a future will and asks God to uphold it, is sounds to me like we are asking God to be responsible for a decision that we are afraid to go back on later.
In the example you gave, you are asking God to bind your will, and in essence take away your free will in the future so that the current decision overrides what comes later. Either that or you are asking God to remove your free will so that it does not change. Either way you are not exercising your free will, but trying to offload it to God. If we really wanted to put our will aside, we would simply ask God to show us a direction. In this case, we are brandishing God as a rod of correction against ourselves – at least that’s my first take on it until others can add.
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AlanFromWichita
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No, it doesn’t seem right to me either. First, I doubt that a person gets visions (like the TV show “That’s So Raven”) of the future, and if they do – as on the TV show – I suspect these visions can be misleading. I think most of the time “visions” are compilations of a person’s thoughts and desires, so I’m not sure how I would recognize a vision “truly” from God. That said, I can accept that God formed us so that we may have such visions or ideas about the future, with our experience that we can never bind the future with certainty. Without visions or ideas, cars and cities and water wells would never be built; whether these visions are of divine origin on an individual basis is something I’m very skeptical about.
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bekalc
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Angel, I think that if God wants two people together, it is because God (being all knowing) knows that these people will be happy together. Thus, in reality God doesn’t have to force anything because it all happens naturally… He may bring them together but that’s about it… He doesn’t have to force attraction etc. He doesn’t force them to marry. He’s not like that.
If people become attracted to each other later, it may mean that previously they didn’t know the person that well, or the person has changed/grown up etc…But God doesn’t force people into anything.
I think that we have to be really careful though about feelings because feelings can be really misleading. For example, I may be really attracted to a guy but he could be a big jerk and have a bad character…Perhaps thats why Scripture says not to marry for the reasons the heathen do…
That’s why we really should be praying really hard when it comes time to make a decision because we want God’s will not ours.
I do think that feelings are important to a marriage… If your not in love with someone No. But they aren’t the only thing. I think in the end head/heart (feelings)/God all have to line up…
I’m glad your not working with him right now…He has things he obviously needs to work on, and its not healthy for a single girl and a single guy to be in a ministry along together. I don’t think it would be that healthy for two people of the opposite sex who are married to others to be doing a minstry alone together either. Healthy Boundries are really important.
In the end trust God. If He wants you to marry someone, you’ll marry the person. You want be forced into it, and it will be a joy. Why worry about what could happen in the future. If you don’t want to be with someone right now, than that’s God saying No right now, and more than likely no in the future.
If people become attracted to each other later, it may mean that previously they didn’t know the person that well, or the person has changed/grown up etc…But God doesn’t force people into anything.
I think that we have to be really careful though about feelings because feelings can be really misleading. For example, I may be really attracted to a guy but he could be a big jerk and have a bad character…Perhaps thats why Scripture says not to marry for the reasons the heathen do…
That’s why we really should be praying really hard when it comes time to make a decision because we want God’s will not ours.
I do think that feelings are important to a marriage… If your not in love with someone No. But they aren’t the only thing. I think in the end head/heart (feelings)/God all have to line up…
I’m glad your not working with him right now…He has things he obviously needs to work on, and its not healthy for a single girl and a single guy to be in a ministry along together. I don’t think it would be that healthy for two people of the opposite sex who are married to others to be doing a minstry alone together either. Healthy Boundries are really important.
In the end trust God. If He wants you to marry someone, you’ll marry the person. You want be forced into it, and it will be a joy. Why worry about what could happen in the future. If you don’t want to be with someone right now, than that’s God saying No right now, and more than likely no in the future.
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Vatican2Rocks
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I believe that if its not YOUR will then its NOT God’s Will either.
for something as important as marraige it would be totally immoral and unethical to be forced against your will to marry someone…anyone.
here are examples of unethical, immoral marriages. lady di and prince charles. why? wrong reason to marry. he was really in love with lady camilla. but because of the rules of the house of windsor he had to marry someone in the family…lady di. in order to retain the crown and the wealth.
what a horrible deal she got. she was just a baby machine for the royal family to faciliate their wealth crown and kingdom.
old queenie wouldn’t have allowed him to marry camilla back then.
so like a previous poster said…listen to YOUR feelings of attraction. you don’;t have feelings of attraction for this guy…so he’s not the one. so put it out of your mind.
its his problem that he feels attracted to you and its not your fault that you don’t return them. this is known as unrequited love.
unrequited love means…when the feelings of attraction are not mutual. last i checked mutual feelings of attraction are necessary for marriage.
who wants to have sex with someone they aren’t attracted to? can we all say YUCK
who wants to have sex with jabba the hut for example? no one! he’s greasy and slimy.
jabba the hut and princess leia are a total mismatch…even now the picture of her chained to the beast disgusts me on the inside.
that is how one should feel when they see someone chained to the devil…disgust
ok so i hope this puts your mind at ease. sorry if i grossed you out…but that is what the thought of sex with someone i am not attracted to looks like. totally disgusting.
for something as important as marraige it would be totally immoral and unethical to be forced against your will to marry someone…anyone.
here are examples of unethical, immoral marriages. lady di and prince charles. why? wrong reason to marry. he was really in love with lady camilla. but because of the rules of the house of windsor he had to marry someone in the family…lady di. in order to retain the crown and the wealth.
what a horrible deal she got. she was just a baby machine for the royal family to faciliate their wealth crown and kingdom.
old queenie wouldn’t have allowed him to marry camilla back then.
so like a previous poster said…listen to YOUR feelings of attraction. you don’;t have feelings of attraction for this guy…so he’s not the one. so put it out of your mind.
its his problem that he feels attracted to you and its not your fault that you don’t return them. this is known as unrequited love.
unrequited love means…when the feelings of attraction are not mutual. last i checked mutual feelings of attraction are necessary for marriage.
who wants to have sex with someone they aren’t attracted to? can we all say YUCK
who wants to have sex with jabba the hut for example? no one! he’s greasy and slimy.
jabba the hut and princess leia are a total mismatch…even now the picture of her chained to the beast disgusts me on the inside.
that is how one should feel when they see someone chained to the devil…disgust
ok so i hope this puts your mind at ease. sorry if i grossed you out…but that is what the thought of sex with someone i am not attracted to looks like. totally disgusting.
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Vatican2Rocks
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here’s another thought on people who say they didn’t like someone at first then changed their mind and totally fell for them.
big mistake in my book.
some people will intentionally tick someone off to get ‘closer’ to them. its a way to get them ‘emotionally involved’ in gameplaying lore its called ‘hooked’ its immoral and unethical because its abusive and unloving. its totally a game. manipulative. and not the kind of love God calls us to.
as far as this guy’s visions go…i am feeling they are from the devil…and it makes sense too with all the spiritual attacks you and he are under. when did these attacks come on? when you two started working together? if so, i would sincerely consider removing him from your life. how much do you want to bet that you are restored to peace?
he may have a curse upon him or something.
big mistake in my book.
some people will intentionally tick someone off to get ‘closer’ to them. its a way to get them ‘emotionally involved’ in gameplaying lore its called ‘hooked’ its immoral and unethical because its abusive and unloving. its totally a game. manipulative. and not the kind of love God calls us to.
as far as this guy’s visions go…i am feeling they are from the devil…and it makes sense too with all the spiritual attacks you and he are under. when did these attacks come on? when you two started working together? if so, i would sincerely consider removing him from your life. how much do you want to bet that you are restored to peace?
he may have a curse upon him or something.
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KCT
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I’ve never heard that one person’s spiritual director could demand something of another person. —KCT
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bekalc
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Vatican2Rocks!:
I don’t know. I had a friend who knew a guy a bit. And when she first met him she wasn’t all into him. She thought he was a nice guy, and he wasn’t like a jerk or anything but he did a couple of things that annoyed her. But later on she started spending more time with him, and getting to know him better as a person and fell for him hook, line, and sinker. They are happily married now… So I don’t know if you always know immediately that this person is the one etc. Sometimes a person can become more attractive as you get to know them and their character better…
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anna1978
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And vice versa…she may work with this guy long enough to REALLY go off him
Just kidding…but it is true: you may feel someone is/isn’t ‘The One’, but you need to get to know them first!!!Anna x
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angel83
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Doesn’t that sort of sound like predestination?
See that is EXACTLY what I am scared of… he feels it won’t be forced but will happen naturally. That my ‘free will’ will be changed and it won’t be a big deal cause it will make me happy. But if this happened I’d feel very betrayed by God. I don’t want my free will to magically change. I want to have control over my free will.
I see your point about your friend not liking the guy at first and then later becoming attracted and happy because I had this happen to me before in high school! And it was fine! This is so different though, I know him pretty well, and I have repulsed feelings. My mom is saying our ‘pheremones’ if you guys have heard of that just don’t click.
Anyway I talked to a priest today. Allan you made some excellent points and I agree-I’m not sure if God acts as ‘enforcer’ of our free will as you point out. The priest seemed to infer that WE were the enforcer of our free wills. We guard our wills by either being open or closed- and he seemed to be saying that God couldn’t allign the universe so I would be forced to be open to my feelings changing.
Vatican2Rocks- Ewwwww please don’t make me go there mentally… haha
KCT- It’s more like she ‘strongly put her foot down’ casue she saw how much this was hurting me. She overwhelmingly encouraged!
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SemperJase
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Then again, because you were happy, you wouldn’t feel betrayed. This can turn into an infinite feedback loop. You’ve created a chicken or the egg quandry.
If you change your mind about this guy (however unlikely that is), that will happen because you will realize he has qualities that you didn’t recognize before. Not that you suddenly think you like what repusled you in the past.
That is how it ALWAYS happens in these cases. You mentioned that there is physical and personality traits that you aren’t attracted to. What would theoritcally happen is that other personality traits are revealed that become more important to you. Unless that happens, I don’t see how you would ever end up with this person. God won’t brainwash you into liking things you don’t want.
I notice that everyone here, plus you mother, plus a priest you spoke to have all said the same thing - you will not be joined to a man who repulses you. Now the question is, why can’t you find peace about this?
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angel83
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I’d ‘be happy’ but I’d feel betrayed because I’d feel my free will was messed with when I didn’t will it. That’s the one seed of doubt that has been thrown around in my head by the enemy. “You have no control over your free will… it can magically change!”… and I didn’t talk to people until today to resolve that fear. I think I’m finally beginning to see how rediculous that is.
Sorry everyone, for all my questions… I know the answer had been obvious to you all from the start. I want to thank you for your patience, and your answers have really helped me get to the point I am at now… I finished a letter to my future husband today that I had started last week…haha.
I’ll attach it in case anyone is really bored and wants to see where they’ve helped me get to- to being able to write that.
Thank you all so much. Peace.
To my beloved future husband,
Your name is Isaaic and you bear a face unknown. This is the first of any letter I’ve ever written you unfortunately. As you know me now you know I could have concerning many things- the break up with (name)- my years of clubbing that have gotten me by. But I find myself now in one of the darkest crisis’s imaginable in relation to my journey toward you- and so I write this to you now as a declaration of faith.
God made a covenant with me a long time ago during my breakup with (name) and a woman had a vision that a rainbow encircled me. This covenant was furthered a few years later at (name of place) when the prayer teams had a vision of you and I at the alter on our wedding day and Jesus was saying to me “I WILL be faithful to you.” Despite the visions though I know God made a covenant with me in the depths of my heart- that you existed and that you would be everything I’ve dreamed you would.
It’s this inner covenant and not the outer communication that is calling me to push visions aside for now. To trust on a level that I’ve never had to trust at before.
(name) my current ministry partner, had a vision of his own of the future- that God is specifically telling him that he and I are going to be together. My spirit revolts and abhors even the thought of this as it cries out that he is not my unknown face. I am not attracted to his personality, him physically, his vibe, the very essence of who he IS- as I know I will be to you. There just wouldn’t be a chance in a million years that he would be it.
However he tells me that God tells him I am ‘the one’. I’m not sure if you can imagine what that is doing to me. Could he be right? If this is so than God is going to permit feelings for him to come eventually- against my strongest will now. How can he even allow such a thing if I will so violently against it? And this is what (name) says, that God won’t force, but the feelings will happen naturally ‘with’ my will? He has ‘foreseen’ the future and this is what will take place.
You have no idea the pain I’m going through now. You’re in my heart and I love you and I don’t want to give up on you. Tell me you’re not HIM are you? I have faith that you aren’t- but there’s always that one little seed of doubt. It at times springs me into panic attacks, crying myself to sleep at night, shivering and feeling numb. And I’m cold- like death. Headaches. Nausea. Every day I suffer in some form and I wonder how long I will have to- for months, years even? Until one day those horrifying feelings grip hold of me and I like him. But it has all happened against my will. I didn’t want him. I want you. I want to choose you.
The temptations for me to entertain these seeds of doubt are extraordinary. He was before the Eucharist and saw white light, his life flashed before his eyes and he saw the future. He saw all good holy things with our ministry. But at the end he saw himself with me. It was that which made him start doubting his experience until he heard a voice saying “Why do you doubt me? Where is your faith?” He tells me his own will isn’t important and that as he continues to go before Jesus in the Eucharist his feelings that I am ‘the one’ get even stronger.
Continued in next post…
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angel83
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Letter continued for the really bored…haha…
I know I keep saying this but do you know what this does to me mentally? I don’t want him. I don’t have ‘neutral’ feelings towards him but ‘ewww/I’m gonna cry’ feelings towards him. Where is my free will? Not only personally, but this is threatening the very ministry I’ve dreamt and worked so hard for. On the bright side every wise spiritually discerning person I’ve talked to tells me not to worry, he isn’t the one, this experience was twisted horribly by he as the receiver or the devil- they bring up a million not good but excellent points. In prayer and though other people, God tells me he would NEVER do such a thing to me. It is said that when discerning things the body of Christ will always confirm Truth. Well at least everyone is confirming my side. But I’m sometimes torn.
I had a revelation in which I know God wants me to have Faith. God kept calling me to the story of Abraham and Isaac where he had a vision to sacrifice and kill his own son- and I didn’t know why. I mean come on it’s a horrible story in which God wants Abraham to surrender his son-God’s own promise to him. Then one day I found the answer. There is much more to the story than meets the eye. I saw on TV the one day that they were saying Abraham said to his companions “WE” will be back, not “I”. As I researched this further, this is because in Hebrews 11 it talks about how Abraham believed God was going to raise Isaac from the dead. I had found the KEY to this whole thing and I knew what God was telling me. See Abraham never went up that mountain ~believing~ he would lose his son. He knew God wouldn’t ask that of him. He knew it was just a test to see if he would have Faith in the covenant God made with him- that Isaac would make him the father of many nations. The story isn’t about sacrificing in this instance- it’s about trusting that God would never require it in the first place. God doesn’t require that you sacrifice His promises to you! This was about Abraham having faith that ‘the vision/or voice’ of God demanding his promise back was just a test and that he would never actually let Isaac die.
You my blank face of the future are my Isaac and my covenant. You are my dream and you are not going to die amongst the fire of my panic, fear, and despair. Not as long as I keep my faith in you. It feels like God is calling me to the impossible… to not believe (name)’s supernatural experience will come true. But rather this whole thing is a test. After all- the demonic attacks have been rampant lately.
It’s hard… I’m going through one of the most difficult times in my life right now. Frightening voices are telling me God is going to allow my current free will to be messed with so somehow my will changes to desire (name). But I can’t give in to those thoughts. God couldn’t betray me like that.
Love really is about free choice and I am fighting for my free choice so intensely in faith that you and I will still be.
You have no idea what I am willing to sacrifice for you and the ability to freely choose. I see my ministry that I have put blood, sweat, and tears into threatened to it’s very foundation. I offer it to God and go on in faith no matter what the terrible outcome. I would sacrifice anything, my deepest desires, hopes, career aspirations- everything. Just to be able to exercise my right to choose you. I know God is speaking to my heart that He would never dishonor my current will for you. I know you’re still out there.
You are reading this in the future so know this- Amidst the worst test imaginable I CHOSE you even before I met you and I still CHOOSE you now. This test has enabled me to be able to even more freely choose you- your strengths, your weaknesses, the very essence of who God created you to be- forever.
This is my declaration of faith…… that you, Isaac, and I will walk down from this mountain ALIVE and hand in hand.
I love you.
(name)
I know I keep saying this but do you know what this does to me mentally? I don’t want him. I don’t have ‘neutral’ feelings towards him but ‘ewww/I’m gonna cry’ feelings towards him. Where is my free will? Not only personally, but this is threatening the very ministry I’ve dreamt and worked so hard for. On the bright side every wise spiritually discerning person I’ve talked to tells me not to worry, he isn’t the one, this experience was twisted horribly by he as the receiver or the devil- they bring up a million not good but excellent points. In prayer and though other people, God tells me he would NEVER do such a thing to me. It is said that when discerning things the body of Christ will always confirm Truth. Well at least everyone is confirming my side. But I’m sometimes torn.
I had a revelation in which I know God wants me to have Faith. God kept calling me to the story of Abraham and Isaac where he had a vision to sacrifice and kill his own son- and I didn’t know why. I mean come on it’s a horrible story in which God wants Abraham to surrender his son-God’s own promise to him. Then one day I found the answer. There is much more to the story than meets the eye. I saw on TV the one day that they were saying Abraham said to his companions “WE” will be back, not “I”. As I researched this further, this is because in Hebrews 11 it talks about how Abraham believed God was going to raise Isaac from the dead. I had found the KEY to this whole thing and I knew what God was telling me. See Abraham never went up that mountain ~believing~ he would lose his son. He knew God wouldn’t ask that of him. He knew it was just a test to see if he would have Faith in the covenant God made with him- that Isaac would make him the father of many nations. The story isn’t about sacrificing in this instance- it’s about trusting that God would never require it in the first place. God doesn’t require that you sacrifice His promises to you! This was about Abraham having faith that ‘the vision/or voice’ of God demanding his promise back was just a test and that he would never actually let Isaac die.
You my blank face of the future are my Isaac and my covenant. You are my dream and you are not going to die amongst the fire of my panic, fear, and despair. Not as long as I keep my faith in you. It feels like God is calling me to the impossible… to not believe (name)’s supernatural experience will come true. But rather this whole thing is a test. After all- the demonic attacks have been rampant lately.
It’s hard… I’m going through one of the most difficult times in my life right now. Frightening voices are telling me God is going to allow my current free will to be messed with so somehow my will changes to desire (name). But I can’t give in to those thoughts. God couldn’t betray me like that.
Love really is about free choice and I am fighting for my free choice so intensely in faith that you and I will still be.
You have no idea what I am willing to sacrifice for you and the ability to freely choose. I see my ministry that I have put blood, sweat, and tears into threatened to it’s very foundation. I offer it to God and go on in faith no matter what the terrible outcome. I would sacrifice anything, my deepest desires, hopes, career aspirations- everything. Just to be able to exercise my right to choose you. I know God is speaking to my heart that He would never dishonor my current will for you. I know you’re still out there.
You are reading this in the future so know this- Amidst the worst test imaginable I CHOSE you even before I met you and I still CHOOSE you now. This test has enabled me to be able to even more freely choose you- your strengths, your weaknesses, the very essence of who God created you to be- forever.
This is my declaration of faith…… that you, Isaac, and I will walk down from this mountain ALIVE and hand in hand.
I love you.
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SemperJase
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Two thoughts after reading this post:
- You might not realize it yet, but you may be called to the vocation of marriage someday. (I’m just reading between the lines here )
- I guess I was more bored than I realized before I read this.
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Vatican2Rocks
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yeah that abraham thing is a bit disturbing. isn’t it?
time for a new thread
here’s the deal…the people of those times used to have human sacrifices to other gods…they’d sacrfice their kids to these false gods for some reason or another. im not sure for what.
I heard jews were different in that instead of human sacrifices they had animal sacrifices.in the OT, the jews condemned the other nations for sacrificing their own children. jews sacrificed animals and had bbq’d beef, lambs or doves instead.
eventually we were transitioned out of animal sacrifices into bread and wine instead. i hope the temple is never rebuilt in jerusalem…no more animal sacrifices.
time for a new thread
here’s the deal…the people of those times used to have human sacrifices to other gods…they’d sacrfice their kids to these false gods for some reason or another. im not sure for what.
I heard jews were different in that instead of human sacrifices they had animal sacrifices.in the OT, the jews condemned the other nations for sacrificing their own children. jews sacrificed animals and had bbq’d beef, lambs or doves instead.
eventually we were transitioned out of animal sacrifices into bread and wine instead. i hope the temple is never rebuilt in jerusalem…no more animal sacrifices.
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Vatican2Rocks
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also,
i think you need to live your life and not be obsessing about who this unknown person is that you are going to marry someday.
try to get your mind off of it before it drives you crazy. get out and have fun. do something fun with your friends that is not marriage minded. or anything to get your mind off of this subject.
i think you need to live your life and not be obsessing about who this unknown person is that you are going to marry someday.
try to get your mind off of it before it drives you crazy. get out and have fun. do something fun with your friends that is not marriage minded. or anything to get your mind off of this subject.
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