Free Will when God ‘Wills’ you to marry someone

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If your free will can be changed against your will, it isn’t really all that free.

It seems to me that in your worrying about your will being changed, you are expressing the desire to be able to set your mind on something and never change it. However, it is your will, and you can change it whenever you like. (This is why it is so easy to fall into sin – all you have to do is choose to turn away from God, and you can do that whenever you want.)

It seems that there is a small fear somewhere inside of you that this guy could be right. Right now, you don’t want him to be right – and this is why it is so unsettling to think that you could change your mind in the future. What you are doing, though, is projecting both you and him into the future and imagining that things are substantially the same as they are now, only that you have gone mad or are under mind control and have an interest in him. While an understandable way of thinking about things – I do it all the time – it is an invalid method. (I am not at all addressing the situation in particular, only that line of thinking)

First of all, apart from a revelation from God, one simply cannot know what things will be like even in a week, much less a few years. We can make all the projections we want, but just bear in mind how good we are at making weather predictions. That’s just the weather, which isn’t remotely as complex as even a single person.

Second of all, when we decide that we do not want to change our will, even in the future, we are to some degree placing our will on par with God’s. We are saying that we know what’s good for us right now, and we aren’t open to changing our mind on that in the future. But how can we be so sure that we have it all correct right now?

Was it in Mary’s will to be a pregnant virgin, carrying the Son of God in her womb? I doubt it was before Gabriel came to her. But there in that moment, she said, “Let it be done to me according to your will be done” – your will be done. And she did not know that her son would be crucified, and surely she did not will it. But when the time came, she conformed her will to God’s and chose to watch her son suffer and die upon the cross.

Jesus himself prayed, “Not my will but yours be done.” And he taught us to pray, “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.”

Mary’s example is quite instructive for us. She chose to conform to God’s will. God did not force her to – he invited her to. We should try to be like her, always ready to do God’s will when he reveals it to us.

But we don’t have to. We can always say no:

“I will not serve.”
 
Angel,

This is my understanding of free will:

Ok, this is going to be a slightly silly comparision, but bear with me. First, let’s say you like cheesecake but abhor keylime pie (as in my case - you choose whatever fits). Now your mom knows this and decided one day to make you a dessert. Since she loves you and wants you to be happy she’ll make you what you like best and offer it. I might initially reject a cheesecake because it looks like a keylime pie, or I might choose to trust that my mom wouldn’t give me something I loath (ok my mom might as she can’t comprehend anyone not liking keylime. . . but think God all loving 😉 )

Now free will isn’t what you like or dislike - it’s whether or not you choose to accept the gift. Often people see what God has offered and reject it thinking it’ll be simply horrible or try for something that God knows they won’t like. Like if my mom knew I didn’t like limes, told me to not get the keylime and I ignored her.

Someone once said if you are trying to do God’s will then your emotions are a good guide. If you are instead only doing your will your emotions will be of little use and may even lead you away from God.

warning life story: When I was younger I decided that I wanted to be an astronomer and went to college for that degree. I was sure that it would make me happy, but all through college I was terribly depressed.

Within the last year I’ve started putting God first. When I first started changing my life so I was following his commandments I noticed a big change and bad things I once thought made me happy no longer did. I now can see that they never did.

I now realize he is calling me to the religious life and the past few months have been a beautiful gift from the Lord. Even during times when I was down or having a bad day, I still feel this inner peace and joy. I cannot imagine going back to the way I was before.

The point of all this is not to say God wants you to marry this guy, but to say that if you are truly seeking to do the Lord’s will then you will feel a sense of ‘rightness’ and peace. If you are trying to do the Lord’s will and feel as strongly against this as you say, I cannot imagine that this is what He wants.

Now your also worried about your feelings being changed…but that’s not what would happen. Another silly example. Lets say you hate his cowlick on the back of his head and could never marry him because of that. What you may realize in time is that he has beautiful eyes and you are too busy staring at them to notice it.

Although I’m all for the time off. If this is what God wants then He’ll patiently guide you back to him, if not then you’ve nothing to worry about ;).

I hope this helps 🙂
 
SemperJese- Yes I finally see God willl not zombify me…lol
Vatican2Rocks- I just posted that letter cause I thought it would be a good way to show how some of you have helped me. Believe me I have been single for a while and don’t give this much thought at all under normal circumstances. I’ll leave it at that.
To the rest of you who seemed concerned about it being ‘my way or the highway’ know that from day one although this was extremely hard for me I have been praying that God reveal what He wanted in all of this. I think if you knew me better you would have a much better understanding of where I am spiritually. If you re-read my very first post “I’ve given up my will on friends, relationships, career, even the ministry, etc. But I just can’t surrender to be OK with being with a person that I violently in my soul feel isn’t the one.” And as for what God has shown me so far after my daily rosary/adoration visits/other people seeking truth- is that He is too loving and would NEVER ask that. I think a spiritual director might be able to read my heart better.
Sorry once again- I know this thread is getting too long. I just want to thank those of you who truely comforted me in the beginning when I was really questioning God’s love. You’re service to myself and others on these forums is really invaluable. God Bless.
 
Angel,

From reading your long letter I got some different ideas.

First, why are you so obsessed with preventing liking a person in the future?

This “free will” thing cannot be free will unless you allow yourself to be bound to the past, in which case the will isn’t free now.

If you make a binding decision, such as a marriage, IMO that’s where you have declared and bound your free will and from now on intent to live by a marriage covenant and no longer exercise your “free will” with regard to dating.

It sounds like your biggest fear in all this is that you certainly aren’t attracted to him now, but afraid that “God” or circumstances or whatever will bring you to the point that you will.

Why is that? If he’s so repulsive now, then why do we fear we will become closer? Perhaps it is inevitable to you in some way? As another poster mentioned, if your free will changes (God may show you new information but the changing is for you alone to do) so that you are attracted to this guy or whatever, then your repugnant “predestination” issue kicks in.

If I were single, I might be unattracted to a woman and like to make “gag me” type remarks when thinking about the potential for a life together, but it’s never occurred to me to fear liking something in the future – that is, unless I am afraid that by the time I find out I like a person that person may no longer be available.

So what is it that makes you fear liking him in the future? The idea that you can’t keep him on hold indefinitely and may lose him by the time you make this decision – and then feel foolish and wrong for not going along with God’s plan? If you trust your feelings now, why would you think they are set to become untrustworthy? Is it that you think you will be more deceived into mistreading your feelings in the future? Is it a matter of not wanting to play your cards too early and beat this guy off “with a stick” in case you might need him again? If this is partly how you feel, then I can certainly understand why you would but I can also certainly understand why your indecision is causing a problem and driving this young man nuts!

For me, I like being able to put off an important decision if I’m not sure about it. On the other hand, if I put it off too long and the options to me change, then I have to accept that. That’s just me, though.

Alan
 
Angel, I’ve been following this thread and I feel for you. I can almost feel the panic through your words.

As I read your letter to your yet unnamed, unmet, future husband it struck me that you do not want to give up on your dreams. You have an idea of what kind of man you would like to meet and what kind of relationship that you would like it to be. You don’t like the idea that God may come in and ‘will’ your heart in a different direction and then you would have to ‘settle’ for a man that is completely different from the man of your dreams.

Life doesn’t work like that and God doesn’t work like that. I hate to even say this because it used to drive me nuts when people said it to me but you are still young. You are 22 years old with a huge portion of your life in front of you. You are going to meet many young men, some who are going to have the qualities that you are looking for and some aren’t. The ones who don’t aren’t bad people … they just aren’t for you.

The guy that sort of freaked you out doesn’t sound like a bad person. In fact, he sounds like he is a great guy. But he just doesn’t fit your ‘dream man’ ideal. But the problem is that he is involved in another dream that you have and that is the ministry that you have built together.

Somehow you are going to have to take a step back, take a deep breath and separate the two. This young man doesn’t sound like he is going to hit you over the head with a club, and drag you home like a caveman. It sounds like he expressed his feelings but the words he used really unsettled you.

Believe me when I say this. No person in the world wants a spouse who feels like they ‘settled’ for them. Now that he realizes how you feel about him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed off completely. He doesn’t want you to ‘settle’ for him nor more than you want to settle for him. This actually may work out to be a blessing in disguise because now that all this is the open each of you can settle down and get back to the business of your ministry.
 
I’ve been lurking for a while and just have to jump in. Angel you’re letter was so beautiful and inspiring. Thank you for sharing. In one of your first lines it says that it was your first letter ever to your future husband so of course you are not obsessed ; )You’are going through a difficult time! Your analogy to God never asking for His covenant and promise back is so right on.

It seems as though there has been a shift in how people are responding and I believe it’s because in most cases holding on to ones own will is a red flag. I believe I see the deeper circumstance. You’re simply trying to hold on to trusting that as you said God would never play such a sick twisted game with you, and that yes your will is yours.

Because you are praying that God’s truth be shown, God would be enlightening your heart now as to your ministry partner. He would be letting both of you know. He’s not. Think about it angel, He wouldn’t allow this tremendous trial, speak to your heart and through other wise Christians and then years down the line spring it on you “See HA it was all wrong!” Give God more credit than that. He would be letting you know now.

You must understand that sometimes not having ‘complete peace’ is another red flag and again that’s why I think some people’s responses are shifting. I see you are in ministry getting relentlessly attacked by the Devil. This is obvious. God doesn’t reveal the future to us each individually. (So yes I agree that this is a fundamental problem with this young mans ‘vision’!!!) You aren’t going to get a vision of your own making this all easy or go away. You are being called to strengthen your faith and have trust on a continuous basis and you know what? Keeping complete peace might very well be a battle with all of the spiritual attack you are under. People are suspicious now that you still have fear but are forgetting the Devil is bombarding you with those thoughts every chance he gets. From many years of experience, I’d say you’re fear does not sound like the holy spirit is convicting you of truth, that you know in your heart the inevitable, or any such thing. Rather Satan is working overtime. Fight the good fight hon.

Reread some of the first posts. God is not so unloving that even if you did exercise your free will on who to marry that you are going to end up miserable. Your choice on who to marry is a great gift. From your letter I believe God is leading you to see this. You can pick as you put it ‘an apple instead of an orange’. You’re not going to end up like Jonah for something like this! It really sounds to me like this man is not the one. Your fears of your feelings changing no matter how you slice and dice it are nothing short of a love potion being given to you against your will. Reread the earlier posts. Sweetie, God isn’t going to let that happen!

This thread could quickly rip even more peace away from you. If it is please just walk away. Our opinions only go so far. YOU REALLY NEED A SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR who can get to know you and settle this for you. My bet is that he/she will tell you the same thing that your mom, the priest, and the rest of Christ’s Body has been telling you all along. We completely doubt he’s the one and you can joyfully claim that as ammunition every time Satan attacks you with more doubt.

Thank you for sharing and your heart for ministry impresses me greatly. The Church needs more young adults such as yourself. I’m praying for you.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
but it’s never occurred to me to fear liking something in the future – that is, unless I am afraid that by the time I find out I like a person that person may no longer be available.
Yes but you haven’t had to deal with convincing ‘visions from God’ that that is exactly what will happen in the future…lol 😉 Naw I’m not holding off on any decision… I choose to not choose him. I choose to believe in God- not men or visions that I now see as questionable.

Mary and Wisdom- thank you SO MUCH. Wisdom- I see what you mean about what other people might be thinking and I thank you for bringing that to my attention. I see now I should have just waited to bring my final questions on free will to the priest yesterday instead of posting… immaturity on my part.
I really do wish to drop this and like you said WALK away.
So I’m signing out… thread is closed as far as I’m concerned and I won’t be returning… Luv ya all! 🙂
 
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angel83:
So I’m signing out… thread is closed as far as I’m concerned and I won’t be returning… Luv ya all! 🙂
I’m glad you shared, and hopefully we have been of some help.

Hint: If you want the thread “actually” closed, often the mods will close it upon PM by the original poster – that would be you.

Peace,
Alan
 
Hi Angel

I happened to be reading the compendium to the catholic catechism last night and found this interesting text. It is from fhe code of canon law in the section dealing with marraige.

Force and Fear

Canon 1103 – A marriage is invalid which is entered into by reason of force or of grave fear imposed from without, even if not purposely, **from which the person has no escape ** other than by choosing marriage.
Grave fear proceeding from an external cause and inflicted unjustly to extort matrimonial consent renders marriage null and void, as indicated in Canon 1103, §1. The reasons for this norm of law are given by St. Thomas to be the following: the matrimonial bond is perpetual; wherefore, whatever is in opposition to this perpetuity does away with marriage. Unjustly inflicted fear of such a nature as to overcome a steady and firm character destroys the perpetuity of the contract, as restitutio in integrum can be invoked against this according to the principle that those things done by force and fear must be revoked as null and ought to be devoid of the binding force of validity. Furthermore, marriage signifies the union of Christ and His Church, which has been effected according to the liberty of love. Fear as described above is absolutely and unalterably opposed to such liberty. Therefore, the sacrament cannot proceed from such a source. In view of this, Pope Alexander stated that since consent could not be present where fear and constraint interfered, it is necessary that where one’s consent is required the force of constraint be excluded. If such constraint were employed, the marriage would be null.
 
Vatican2Rocks!:
Hi Angel

I happened to be reading the compendium to the catholic catechism last night and found this interesting text. It is from fhe code of canon law in the section dealing with marraige.

Force and Fear

Canon 1103 – A marriage is invalid which is entered into by reason of force or of grave fear imposed from without, even if not purposely, **from which the person has no escape ** other than by choosing marriage.
Grave fear proceeding from an external cause and inflicted unjustly to extort matrimonial consent renders marriage null and void, as indicated in Canon 1103, §1. The reasons for this norm of law are given by St. Thomas to be the following: the matrimonial bond is perpetual; wherefore, whatever is in opposition to this perpetuity does away with marriage. Unjustly inflicted fear of such a nature as to overcome a steady and firm character destroys the perpetuity of the contract, as restitutio in integrum can be invoked against this according to the principle that those things done by force and fear must be revoked as null and ought to be devoid of the binding force of validity. Furthermore, marriage signifies the union of Christ and His Church, which has been effected according to the liberty of love. Fear as described above is absolutely and unalterably opposed to such liberty. Therefore, the sacrament cannot proceed from such a source. In view of this, Pope Alexander stated that since consent could not be present where fear and constraint interfered, it is necessary that where one’s consent is required the force of constraint be excluded. If such constraint were employed, the marriage would be null.
I think Vatican is right. And for the record, I don’t believe that God would ever want anyone to be with someone that God has to force them to love. God really isn’t like that… Love and marriage to be free…

Frankly I think that if a guy does have a real vision about him and a girl, I think it is irresponsible for the guy to tell the girl about it anyways. Unless they are engaged/married… Or maybe even married…That kind of thing can be manipulative, even if its not meant to be.
 
In case you’re still reading this thread, I just wanted to add: You said
I am not attracted to his personality, him physically, his vibe, the very essence of who he IS-
Than you MUST NOT marry him. Not only should you have a husband you can love and respect, but he should have a wife who loves and respects him. It would be a cruel thing, though you might not intend it that way, to marry a man feeling as you described about him.
I should know, I did. I wouldn’t change my decision, because then my children would not be here, but I also strongly advise any single woman to wait for a husband she can truly love and have faith that God will bring him to you. If not, then it is better to never marry.
 
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