Freemasonary not being warned about?

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Yes, I am still an active member of my Lodge, Scottish Rite and the Shrine.

The Bible is opened on the Altar during meetings, but it is not read from. Several Old Testament verses are recited during the opening
of the Lodge. Jesus is not mentioned, nor is Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, or anything else related to a specific Denomination; we are not a Christian organization, but one that requires belief in God. I have been in mostly Jewish Lodges where an Old Testament is used, and my Lodge membership includes Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, Moslems and Buddhists. We have a Veda and a Quran available if a candidate wishes to use them to take his oaths on.

Barrister - guess I wasn’t “high up enough” in the KofC - only got to the Third Degree back when I was Catholic.
 
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Spiri220:
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Yes, I am still an active member of my Lodge, Scottish Rite and the Shrine.

The Bible is opened on the Altar during meetings, but it is not read from. Several Old Testament verses are recited during the opening
of the Lodge. Jesus is not mentioned, nor is Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, or anything else related to a specific Denomination; we are not a Christian organization, but one that requires belief in God. I have been in mostly Jewish Lodges where an Old Testament is used, and my Lodge membership includes Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, Moslems and Buddhists. We have a Veda and a Quran available if a candidate wishes to use them to take his oaths on.

Barrister - guess I wasn’t “high up enough” in the KofC - only got to the Third Degree back when I was Catholic.
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Spiri220,
When I drive by these lodges, they are almost always deserted (except for the occasional renter), but yet kept up (maintenance-wise) and there seem to be lodges everywhere. If Masonry is popular, when do all these meetings take place? Where is the money coming from to building these lodges and keep them up if they are always deserted (if that’s the case)?

Martin
 
The Barrister:
When you get your *fifth * degree you’re eligible for training as a Jesuit Assassin. I completed my training last year. Our goal as Jesuit Assassins in the Holy Order of St. Michael’s Warriors is the eradication of a certain secular organization… 😉

I bet some people won’t get the joke. 😛
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That’s it!!! I am reporting you to Chick Puclications so they can keep a watchful eye on you and your Vatican spy cohorts. 😉
 
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Spiri220:
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Yes, I am still an active member of my Lodge, Scottish Rite and the Shrine.

The Bible is opened on the Altar during meetings, but it is not read from. Several Old Testament verses are recited during the opening
of the Lodge. Jesus is not mentioned, nor is Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, or anything else related to a specific Denomination; we are not a Christian organization, but one that requires belief in God. I have been in mostly Jewish Lodges where an Old Testament is used, and my Lodge membership includes Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, Moslems and Buddhists. We have a Veda and a Quran available if a candidate wishes to use them to take his oaths on.

Barrister - guess I wasn’t “high up enough” in the KofC - only got to the Third Degree back when I was Catholic.
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So what your saying is the bible is a piece of furniture. You believe in Gods Word in the Bible but the reading of it is not allowed. Does that make any sense to you? One that requires a belief in God. O.K. Question? So if I believe Lucifer is my God I then will not be turned away as a member,correct? Since what is required is that you believe in a God]. :eek:
 
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SPOKENWORD:
So what your saying is the bible is a piece of furniture. You believe in Gods Word in the Bible but the reading of it is not allowed. Does that make any sense to you? One that requires a belief in God. O.K. Question? So if I believe Lucifer is my God I then will not be turned away as a member,correct? Since what is required is that you believe in a God]. :eek:
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Yup.

I think it is more correct to speak of the “higher being” as “The Creator,” which is how most Masonic texts deal with the topic. You will see this term (rather than “God”) in many papers dealing with the founding of this country, including the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. About half of all Presidents have been Masons (several others were honorary Masons), and a vast majority of the Founding Fathers - and the Frenchmen who joined them in the Revolutionary War - were Masons.

Catholicism was sufferred to exist in this country by the Masons only through a great deal of politicking. Benjamin Franklin was the envoy to the Vatican, and he refused Rome’s request to send an archbishop for the growing Catholic population. He finally relented and allowed Archbishop John Carroll to be installed as the first archbishop, because Carroll’s brother Daniel was a 33rd Degree Mason, and with the understanding that the archibishop would not attempt to undermine freemasonry. So Archbishop Carroll did not promulgate any of Rome’s prohibitions against Catholic membership in Freemasonry, nor did he pass along any condemnations.
 
Spoken-

Whether you would be turned away would be a decision made by the Lodge you were petitioning, If you were accepted, you would not be allowed to discuss your beliefs any more that I am allowed to discuss mine. I have heard discussion lately about Wiccans and Pagans joining Lodges, and, since they believe in a Deity (or several), they are generally accepted,

Why don’y you go to the Courthouse nearest you and start badgering them about the Bibles they use, why they don’t read them in court, and so on? They are no more a religious organization than we are.

What I find really amusing is that most of the rabid Anti-Catholic loony nut groups are also just as rabidly Anti-Mason.
 
Barrister-

The proper term we use is “Grand Architect of the Universe” or 'G.A.O.T.U." to refer to God.

The last Masonic President we had was Ford. Clinton was a DeMolay when He was a boy, but never joined a Lodge.
 
Martin-

Lodges generally meet one or two evenings a month, and usually not at all in the summer. So, yes, they usually do look deserted.

Plus, like many other fraternal organizations these days, few members bother to attend regularly. My Lodge room seats 500, But I have only seen it anywhere near full once in more than 10 years. The KofC Chapter I belonged to a long time ago was in a big Parish, and had a large membership, yet averaged about 10 members at meetings.
Most Lodge buildings are older and have been paid for a long time ago. We do see some small rural Lodges closing and consolidating into other larger Lodges these days.
 
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Spiri220:
Barrister-

The proper term we use is “Grand Architect of the Universe” or 'G.A.O.T.U." to refer to God.

The last Masonic President we had was Ford. Clinton was a DeMolay when He was a boy, but never joined a Lodge.
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Internally. Of course.

I stand corrected, sir!

By the way, other organizations refer to him as K.L.A.A.T.U. 😃

P.S.: By the way, Reagan is one of the honorary Freemasons. His photo and acceptance letter are posted in the hall of the Grand Lodge in D.C.
 
Barrister-

To be precise, Reagan was made an honorary 33rd Degree member of the Southern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite, where you most likely say the documents you refer to. Scottish Rite is an appendate organization that Masons may or may not join. This was highly unusual for a non-Mason to be so honored.

Reagan never joined a Blue Lodge, was never initiated, passed or raised, and no Grand Master ever made Him a Mason on sight.
So, He was actually not a Mason.
 
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Spiri220:
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Whether you would be turned away would be a decision made by the Lodge you were petitioning, If you were accepted, you would not be allowed to discuss your beliefs any more that I am allowed to discuss mine. I have heard discussion lately about Wiccans and Pagans joining Lodges, and, since they believe in a Deity (or several), they are generally accepted,

Why don’y you go to the Courthouse nearest you and start badgering them about the Bibles they use, why they don’t read them in court, and so on? They are no more a religious organization than we are.

What I find really amusing is that most of the rabid Anti-Catholic loony nut groups are also just as rabidly Anti-Mason.
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I find it alittle amazing that a 32 degree mason doesnt know the requirements for membership. Anyways I am not here to badger you for that would not be in the spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am here to speak to you in love of our Lord. I am here to present Gods truth to you. I understand were you are and why the Lord has brought you to this site. It is not accidental. Gods spirit is speaking to your heart. Be open to recieve it because the TRUTH will set you free. I am more than happy to continue discussing issues here… I will help you see the light through our Lord Jesus Christ if you open to recieve it , God Bless.
 
Spoken-

How arrogant. You apparently assume that ONLY Catholics are Christians. I don’t recruit to my Denomination here, so please have the same courtesy.
 
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Spiri220:
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How arrogant. You apparently assume that ONLY Catholics are Christians. I don’t recruit to my Denomination here, so please have the same courtesy.
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Spiri220 If you feel im arrogant I appoligize to you. Please forgive me in Jesus name.I want you to know I am NOT catholic just an assumption on your part.I am a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is who I am. Our battles are not against human forces but against the principalities of darkness. Shall we continue on. God Bless
 
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lilder:
I think it is a grey area.
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:tsktsk: I do not believe the CDF sees it quite that way

CLARIFICATION CONCERNING STATUS OF CATHOLICS BECOMING FREEMASONS …"2) consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated; "

cin.org/vatcong/freem.html
 
I have often heard the term “32nd degree Mason.” What are the designations of the steps in the Masonic progression? Does one start at the first degree and move one degree at a time? What is the highest degree or level one can achieve. Thanks.
 
Yes, you start at the first degree and work your way to the 33rd degree.
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Spiri220:
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How arrogant. You apparently assume that ONLY Catholics are Christians. I don’t recruit to my Denomination here, so please have the same courtesy.
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I’m not “spoken” but isn’t this a CATHOLIC discussion board :rolleyes:
 
“32nd Degree Mason” is a misnomer.

There are only 3 degrees of actual Blue Lodge masonry; they are the First Degree (Entered Apprentice), Second Degree (Fellow Craft) and the Third Degree (Master Mason). There is no degree higher than the Third, or Master Mason.

After one becomes a Master Mason, one may or may not choose to join either Scottish Rite or York Rite, and the Shrine. Scottish Rite has Degrees from the 4th through 32nd, all generally given, either as lectures or plays, in one weekend (at the longest), most often done nowdays in one day. So you pays your money and goes from 4th to 32nd in one day. 33rd Degree is an honorary designation given to some members for long service to the organization, not necessarily the leaders.

I don’t belong to York Rite, so I don’t know that much about them.

Both Rites membership is dropping like a rock, since you used to be required to be a member of one or the other in order to join the Shriners, but the Shriners dropped that requirement several years ago and now any 3rd Degree Mason can join them. Yes, ALL Shriners must be Masons first.
 
SirKnight-

You don’t “work” your way anywhere above the Third Degree. The only progression consists of trying to stay awake for a whole day for the 4th through 32nd Degrees, if you choose to.
 
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rfk:
Your first part of the answer is the right route to take.

Join the Knights of Columbus! It is a terrific organization, performs many works of charity and evangelization, and is very faithful to the Church.

Anyone joing the KofC quickly learns that Freemasonry is forbidden.
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I agree that the Knights are a good group but why do they insist on dressing like a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta?
 
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