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Please, show me where to look and find them. Obviously I have no way to get to “membership rolls” to see if someone is a mason or not. But surely since these men are so terribly evil, their acts would be well known. And if YOU don’t know for SURE the names and their affiliation with the Masonic Organizations, then you can’t point fingers either.I believe that all you would have to do, is look at all the detrimental and terrible antichristian laws and decisions that have been passed and forced on our nation in the past twenty years and then check the “membership” of the appointed lawmakers that passed them.
Of course, there’s always a bad apple or two or more in every group… Nancy Pelosi comes to my mind regarding Catholics. Perhaps some of the priests that did some “not so nice things” in the past were bad apples too. So please know that I mean as a whole, show me where the Masonic organization TODAY is evil and what evil and nefarious things they have done.
When you tell me they all worship the devil, you are telling me that my father worshiped the devil. He did not, and I know this for a fact. Now, if you prove to me that hundreds of years ago they did, I would probably believe that could have happened. BUT we are supposed to forgive people. Including the Catholics who have done some heinous things. Including a Mason who did something terrible.
I guess my problem is that people generalize the Masons. Making them all sound horrible and evil, and today’s Masons are NOT evil and they do not worship Satan and his minions in this day and age. I spent many happy hours at the Masonic Temple when I was a child while my parents were in meetings and such. I never felt any fear and never heard or saw anything that scared me as a child.
I can tell you from personal experience that the Rainbow girls were totally ABOUT God and having God in our lives. We did not discriminate against anyone’s religion. In fact we as a group attended many different church services together each year. And to be a Rainbow girl, I believe your Father or Grandfather had to be a Mason, but not positive on that one. Nothing ominous going on at all in the Rainbow girls.
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TexasTech
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Exceptionally well worded and articulate.
My father and grandfather were Freemasons and I completely agree. They never engaged in anything sordid, although they did sneak up to a house one time and left groceries on the door step and then ran away. I had to stay in the truck but it sure felt sneaky.
Guess that’s about as conspiratorial as they ever got.
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Dear Texas tech and gh4,
I am sorry but this is not about personal family experiences, nor about exceptions to the rule. I am so glad that you both have experienced positive exceptions with family members, and this is not surprising but to be expected… There are many charitable children of God that join the wrong associations with the best of intentions due to confusion or misinformation.
But just like you cannot condemn Jesus’ Christianity because of the unfaithfulness of many of its members, you also, (unfortunately) cannot redeem a historically antichristian society because of the personal good values of some of its less informed members. I wish this were not so, but sadly it is.
I am sorry but this is not about personal family experiences, nor about exceptions to the rule. I am so glad that you both have experienced positive exceptions with family members, and this is not surprising but to be expected… There are many charitable children of God that join the wrong associations with the best of intentions due to confusion or misinformation.
But just like you cannot condemn Jesus’ Christianity because of the unfaithfulness of many of its members, you also, (unfortunately) cannot redeem a historically antichristian society because of the personal good values of some of its less informed members. I wish this were not so, but sadly it is.
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TexasTech
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in the paraphrased words of Pope Francis:
Who are you to judge?
Who are you to judge?
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psuedocenturian
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“Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!”
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff
christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/lucquotes.htm
General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)
Interestingly the above ‘luciferian’ doctrine gets verified from an unusual source. Dr. Lester Sumrall in volume two of his teaching manuals ‘Demonology and Deliverance’, (ISBN 0-937580-64-3) uses question and answer editorial to recount the life story and demonic spiritual experiences of Arlindo D. Olivera a prominent witch doctor in Brazil who was converted to Christ. (pages 52 - 58)
On Page 57 Dr Sumrall asks
Compare this with the doctrine espoused above and you see there is the same demonic ‘theology’ running through both. (If this was a hoax or a joke as Mason’s would have us believe then Leo Taxil demonstrated a remarkable understanding of the spirit realm)
For more evidence of luciferian doctrine in Masonry visit this web page cuttingedge.org/free11.html
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff
christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/lucquotes.htm
General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
- “That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.
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If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?
Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.
**Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy**, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”
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NOTE: The above statement by Albert Pike is often challenged on the basis of the so called 'Leo Taxil' hoax. Please read here.On Page 57 Dr Sumrall asks
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'Arlindo, did you ever meet satan, the chief of all demons?'
Arlindo replies ..
'Yes......when he manifested I sang Lucifer's hymn. Some of the words were
He is the king of Hell
He has two heads
One is the king if hell
The other is Jesus of Nazareth
One works for good, and one works for bad
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..the absolute can only exist as two gods
..lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”
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jorge_carrillo
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Searched in the web: Masons-Baphomet, It drove me to:
centauro996.wordpress.com/baphomet-el-dios-de-la-luz/
Masons are antichristians and mainly anticatholics, and yes, they believe that Satan, Baphomet, is the god of knowledge and freedom. They say that Baphomet created this world for all the angels who rebeled with him agains an oppresive God.
The main symbol of masonery is the star of five points which represents the star of the Morning, Star of the morning is traduced in latin as Lucifer. The same lucifer that wanted to be equal to God and whom Michael expeled fom Heaven with all the followers of Satan.
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the Flag of USA represents that stars not of eight or six or seven point but of five points in honor to lucyfer or to every one of the lodges of Masonery in USA, one for each State Lodge.
centauro996.wordpress.com/baphomet-el-dios-de-la-luz/
Masons are antichristians and mainly anticatholics, and yes, they believe that Satan, Baphomet, is the god of knowledge and freedom. They say that Baphomet created this world for all the angels who rebeled with him agains an oppresive God.
The main symbol of masonery is the star of five points which represents the star of the Morning, Star of the morning is traduced in latin as Lucifer. The same lucifer that wanted to be equal to God and whom Michael expeled fom Heaven with all the followers of Satan.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Five_Pointed_Star_Lined.svg/260px-Five_Pointed_Star_Lined.svg.png
the Flag of USA represents that stars not of eight or six or seven point but of five points in honor to lucyfer or to every one of the lodges of Masonery in USA, one for each State Lodge.
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gh4
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Y’all are going by what was said and done many MANY years ago, in another country no less. And you know the catholic church had done some HORRIBLE things in their past, probably much worse than any mason.Dear Texas tech and gh4,
I am sorry but this is not about personal family experiences, nor about exceptions to the rule. I am so glad that you both have experienced positive exceptions with family members, and this is not surprising but to be expected… There are many charitable children of God that join the wrong associations with the best of intentions due to confusion or misinformation.
But just like you cannot condemn Jesus’ Christianity because of the unfaithfulness of many of its members, you also, (unfortunately) cannot redeem a historically antichristian society because of the personal good values of some of its less informed members. I wish this were not so, but sadly it is.
And you know what, I don’t even care anymore because this is just so much bs. Masons are not devil worshipers or anything else evil. I’ve know MANY of them and not a single one of them wasn’t a church going Christian, not one. They are good people. Period.
But I don’t consider myself catholic anymore and my parents never were, so I guess I’ll just let this run down my back, y’all are living in a fantasy world.
And please, if you need the help of a Shriners Hospital for one of your children, DON’T go there because the people who founded it and support it are masons. You certainly don’t want to support a mason now do you?
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No discussion of anti-Masonry would be complete without an extensive mention of Albert Pike. Let’s clarify right at the outset: the vast majority of those who become Masons have no idea whatsoever who Pike was. Morals and Dogma is a philosophical work, created by an individual who was an extraordinarily prolific writer even for an age when prolific writing was the norm. It was also fashioned in the style of Pike’s time when public speaking was a high art form and Pike was known far and wide for his skills in this area. Morals and Dogma is not a manifesto for Masonry or even for the Scottish Rite’s Southern Jurisdiction. It is, rather, an attempt by Pike to provide a framework for understanding religions and philosophies of the past.
Ignoring the most important part
Starting with the first edition of Morals and Dogma in 1871, every edition is prefaced with these words:
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"Everyone is free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it a fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment."The fact overlooked as **ALWAYS **is Freemasonry is a wide and diverse organization throughout the world. It’s growth and development in each location has been responsive to the nation in which it exists as well as the makeup of its membership. In addition, there have been many organizations which have appeared over the years ‘imitating’ Masonry and calling themselves ‘Masons’. Among the great majority of Masonic entities which recognize each other (using “Ancient Landmarks” and other commonalties derived from the beginning of the organization 300 years ago), however, there is no one leader. Each Grand Lodge (the highest governing body for each particular group of Masons) is independent and decides matters as it feels is appropriate.
A Grand Master speaks for his Grand Jurisdiction but ONLY when he is serving as Grand Master and ONLY for his specific Jurisdiction.
Thus the statements of the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Masons in California is no more binding upon or reflective of the positions of the United Grand Lodge of Germany than are the rules of the Japanese-American Friendship Association upon the City Council of Kilmarnock, Scotland!
In addition, writings or statements by the head of an “appendant” or “related” or “corollary” body (Scottish Rite, York Rite, Shrine etc…) are no more binding on Freemasonry than in the examples cited above.
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Brother_Steve
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Let look at this site you like to post from shall we.
For more evidence of luciferian doctrine in Masonry visit this web page cuttingedge.org/free11.html
The Cutting Edge’ is another of those one-man ‘ministries’ that closer examination, one finds that ‘The Cutting Edge’ and its owner (who has given himself the title of “Director”), David Bay seems to hate Freemasonry and a lot of other things. His rants include religious intolerance always linked with a ‘pitch’ for his many tapes as well as a whole panoply of books, videos, and most anything else he can sell including a subscription so you can read his pearls of wisdom on his website.
masonicinfo.com/dullestedge.htm
For more evidence of luciferian doctrine in Masonry visit this web page cuttingedge.org/free11.html
The Cutting Edge’ is another of those one-man ‘ministries’ that closer examination, one finds that ‘The Cutting Edge’ and its owner (who has given himself the title of “Director”), David Bay seems to hate Freemasonry and a lot of other things. His rants include religious intolerance always linked with a ‘pitch’ for his many tapes as well as a whole panoply of books, videos, and most anything else he can sell including a subscription so you can read his pearls of wisdom on his website.
masonicinfo.com/dullestedge.htm
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psuedocenturian
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God Bless you and thank you for your opinion. Varied opinions allows the reader to formulate their own judgements based on the facts presented. May the Holy Spirit guide you and all readers of this this thread to His most Holy and August Will. Amen.
Also Could you explain the 33rd rite Freemason secret name for “god” JAH BUL ON ?
I am interested in your interpretation. God bless you
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TexasTech
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Great post.
Please don’t use the York Rite Eye Foundation or any of its research.
Don’t use Shrine Hospitals for pediatric burn treatment or orthopedic care.
Don’t use Scottish Rite Dyslexia Learning Centers.
I am deeply grateful for all the Masonic charities and I would not hesitate for my daughter to use any of the above when and if she needed them.
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Brother_Steve
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Well Lets looks at the facts where they lay, Freemasonry has no God in and of itself. PERIOD! No matter how many authors, speakers, masons, anti masons want to force that one issue. It is just not there. I have yet to find one Regular Grand Lodge that has ever made a declaration of who God is. And a Grand Lodge is the only authority** on what is and isn’t Freemasonry, not sure why people have such a hard time with that concept.
With so many members of various Christian denominations as rank and file not to mention at its leadership, there would be no possible way that they would even agree on it. Especially since during meetings religion is a banned topic.
As for the 33rds, the make up the men honored by Scottish Rite a coordinate body of Freemasonry. There are much more exclusive invitational within the York Rite.Yet you never hear anyone talk about them…ODD**
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psuedocenturian
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Freemasonry, Vatican II and 1960
“With the making of my Statue, I will favor not only you and my Convent, but also the people – and the general public – through the centuries… As for your request that your name be hidden, this pleases me, and I will do as you have asked. Tell the Bishop that it is my will and the will of my Most Holy Son that your name be hidden at all costs, both within as well as outside the cloister, for it is not fitting for anyone at the present time to know the details or origin of how this Statue came to be made. For this knowledge will only become known to the general public in the 20th century. During that epoch the Church will find herself attacked by terrible hordes of the Masonic sect, and this poor Ecuadorian land will be agonizing because of the corruption of customs, unbridled luxury, the impious press, and secular education. The vices of impurity, blasphemy, and sacrilege will dominate in this time of depraved desolation, and that one who should speak out will be silent. Know, beloved daughter, that when your name will become known in the 20th century, there will be many who will not believe, claiming that this devotion is not pleasing to God. But the great sufferings of my daughters – and yours – of this time will make a melodious concert of humility and hidden penance for my Most Holy Son and myself. The Divine Spouse and I, His loving Mother, and you also will watch over our daughters from Heaven and guide them on the correct path that leads to Paradise… A simple, humble faith in the truth of my apparitions to you, my favored child, will be reserved for humble and fervent souls who are docile to the inspirations of grace, for our Heavenly Father communicates His secrets to the simple of heart, and not to those whose hearts are* inflated with pride, pretending to know what they do not or infatuated with empty science**.”*
**“Moreover, in these unhappy times, there will be unbridled luxury which, acting thus to snare the rest into sin, will conquer innumerable frivolous souls who will be lost. Innocence will almost no longer be found in children, nor modesty in women, and in this supreme moment of need of the Church, those who should speak will fall silent.” **
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Thank you most Holy Mother, Our Lady of Good Success, for allowing me the courage to speak out in the face of all that threatens the Church in her need. Amen
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Blessed_is_He
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They are against Catholics,
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TexasTech
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Oh really?
Interesting
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namax91
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In the 1940s, did a Masonic leader in Italy make comments about destroying the Catholic Church by corrupting the morals of members? I recently watched a movie about St. Maximilian Kolbe that featured this event. Did this literally happen?
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Edward_Henry
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If you do not judge, how can you discern good from evil? How can you prevent yourself from falling into a deceptive situation?
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TexasTech
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Perhaps you should be advising the Holy Father on that issue.
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Edward_Henry
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I do not have to. He would surely advise me the same. Besides, I am not the one using his words and taking them out of context.
By the way, they did the same to Jesus’ words
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