Gabrielle Giffords Endorses Clinton

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estesbob said:
The good Cardinal agrees with you:

*At this point, the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitively into a “party of death” due to its choices on bioethical issues, as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book “The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life.”

And I say this with a heavy heart, because we all know that the Democrats were the party that helped our Catholic immigrant parents and grandparents to better integrate into and prosper in American society. But it’s not the same anymore.

Nonetheless, there are among Democrats some pro-lifers, but they are, unfortunately, rare.
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God Bless Cardinal Burke for speaking the truth…now only if it will resonate with those who most need to hear his message.
 
As aforementioned, Giffords is definitely a significant endorsement, especially considering what happened and with gun control being a rather big issue.
 
GaryTaylor said:
With Obama and Hillary we are “already” in the twilight zone. 👍

foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/28/gabbard-quits-dnc-to-back-sanders-after-criticizing-small-debate-schedule.html

Hillary Clinton for President is unacceptable and never mind from a Catholic perspective but from a moral ethical perspective as an American. 🤷
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I don’t know of anyone personally who still supports Hillary. I also have a difficult time understanding how practicing informed Catholics can rationalize supporting either Sanders or Clinton.

I hope Sanders gets the nomination only because I believe it would be a slam dunk for the GOP in the general. 😃
 
Horton said:
I don’t know of anyone personally who still supports Hillary. I also have a difficult time understanding how practicing informed Catholics can rationalize supporting either Sanders or Clinton.

I hope Sanders gets the nomination only because I believe it would be a slam dunk for the GOP in the general. 😃
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Hillary has plenty of suppporters. unfortunately.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Well, Lily, I can’t go so far as a sweep for Hillary. A majority yes. I’m not sure how many but I’m at least giving Bernie VT. At least.
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Bernie has the North Korean vote on lockdown as well.
 
jediliz said:
Most Practicing Catholics did not. I did not as I examined his CHARACTER and knew since he supported the slaughter of innocents in the womb and voted against providing medical care to abortion survivors born alive during an attempt to kill them, he was the WRONG choice.

If you don’t protect the child in the womb, you won’t care about the BORN either
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Then from your viewpoint - most Catholics disagree.
 
Horton said:
I don’t know of anyone personally who still supports Hillary. I also have a difficult time understanding how practicing informed Catholics can rationalize supporting either Sanders or Clinton.

I hope Sanders gets the nomination only because I believe it would be a slam dunk for the GOP in the general. 😃
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Catholics supporting either Hillary or Bernie is inconsistent with Catholic teaching. My prayers are truly with them.
God Bless Cardinal Burke for speaking the truth…now only if it will resonate with those who most need to hear his message.
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Amen!
 
7_Sorrows said:
Hillary has plenty of suppporters. unfortunately.
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I’m a Sanders supporter, but I do know Clinton’s base is extremely loyal and growing. I expect her to take every state today except for Vermont.

Frankly, I don’t understand why more Democrats don’t support Sanders since he is projected as beating Trump, Rubio, and Cruz, whereas Clinton is projected to beat Trump in the general. But really, as for the general, who knows? We have to get people nominated first, on both sides! 🙂
 
ComplineSanFran said:
You are speaking perhaps of your own political and religious preferences. Most of the Catholics I know are practicing - and solid, progressive Democrats. They voted for Obama and support him to this day. I think that there are many political opinions within US Catholicism; I tend to know the ones who are on the left side of church and national politics.

The discussion these days is of course about Hillary and Bernie. This is going to be quite a year.
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I’m sure there are many political “opinions” among Catholics but Pro-life is NOT optional. It is a moral absolute. I sure wouldn’t want to face God otherwise, progressive. left or otherwise. I also know a few Catholics that are trying to “walk the fence” of abortion but that is NOT possible. Hopefully they will “see the light” before they have to face God. We have a priest in the family and he told me that many Catholic women that have used ABC, when faced with death regret ever doing so and hope for forgiveness. They knew they were doing wrong no matter how they tried to justify it. When it came time to face their Maker, they were willing to admit it, before dying. Somewhere in our hearts, we know right from wrong!! Voting can have such serious consequences. God Bless, Memaw
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I’m a Sanders supporter, but I do know Clinton’s base is extremely loyal and growing. I expect her to take every state today except for Vermont.

Frankly, I don’t understand why more Democrats don’t support Sanders since he is projected as beating Trump, Rubio, and Cruz, whereas Clinton is projected to beat Trump in the general. But really, as for the general, who knows? We have to get people nominated first, on both sides! 🙂
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I don’t believe Sanders can beat Trump in the general election. Hillary can but it would be very close. Like you, I support Sanders but there are a number of reasons he is not that popular even with Democrats. First, he appears too old for the job. This is not as trivial as it may seem. I’m not talking about chronological age necessarily since Trump is about the same age as Sanders, but Trump doesn’t look or act like an old man the way Sanders does. Another problem with Sanders for some Democrats is he is too idealistic and would not be able to get the job done, as they believe Clinton would. A third problem is the lack of confidence in him found in much of the African American community, especially oldsters, who believe that Hillary was with them in the civil rights era and Sanders not so much. Fourth, Sanders is already projected as a socialist, against all capitalist free enterprise and advocating a complete welfare state, thus draining the economy further than Obama. Also, Sanders’ record on gun control is far from stellar. Finally, there is the fact that Sanders is Jewish, which is not as trivial as it may appear, for anti-Semitism is still not dead in America.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t believe Sanders can beat Trump in the general election. Hillary can but it would be very close. Like you, I support Sanders but there are a number of reasons he is not that popular even with Democrats. First, he appears too old for the job. This is not as trivial as it may seem. I’m not talking about chronological age necessarily since Trump is about the same age as Sanders, but Trump doesn’t look or act like an old man the way Sanders does. Another problem with Sanders for some Democrats is he is too idealistic and would not be able to get the job done, as they believe Clinton would. A third problem is the lack of confidence in him found in much of the African American community, especially oldsters, who believe that Hillary was with them in the civil rights era and Sanders not so much. Fourth, Sanders is already projected as a socialist, against all capitalist free enterprise and advocating a complete welfare state, thus draining the economy further than Obama. Also, Sanders’ record on gun control is far from stellar. Finally, there is the fact that Sanders is Jewish, which is not as trivial as it may appear, for anti-Semitism is still not dead in America.
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I still find it hard to believe Trump could actually get elected, because I think the Hispanic vote will go to Anyone-But-The-Donald. My family is of Spanish descent, settling in what is now the southwest US in the 1600’s, and only one of my 14 cousins speak Spanish, but Trump’s promise to “build a wall” and his anti-immigrant language in general feel personally offensive :mad:

As you say, MB, bigotry (whether it be anti-Semitism, or anti-immigrant, or anti-Muslim, etc.) is not dead in the US. In fact, I think if we scratch the surface just a little bit, we’ll find prejudice is alive and well in this country. :sad_yes:

I respect Gabrielle Giffords’ courage in her recovery, but not her choice for president. No way I could vote for Trump, and no way I could vote for Hillary. 🤷
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t believe Sanders can beat Trump in the general election. Hillary can but it would be very close. Like you, I support Sanders but there are a number of reasons he is not that popular even with Democrats. First, he appears too old for the job. This is not as trivial as it may seem. I’m not talking about chronological age necessarily since Trump is about the same age as Sanders, but Trump doesn’t look or act like an old man the way Sanders does. Another problem with Sanders for some Democrats is he is too idealistic and would not be able to get the job done, as they believe Clinton would. A third problem is the lack of confidence in him found in much of the African American community, especially oldsters, who believe that Hillary was with them in the civil rights era and Sanders not so much. Fourth, Sanders is already projected as a socialist, against all capitalist free enterprise and advocating a complete welfare state, thus draining the economy further than Obama. Also, Sanders’ record on gun control is far from stellar. Finally, there is the fact that Sanders is Jewish, which is not as trivial as it may appear, for anti-Semitism is still not dead in America.
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Thank you. Yes, all you said makes a lot of sense. I appreciate your response. 🙂
 
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