Gabrielle Giffords Endorses Clinton

[Sy_Noe]

It amazes me that one would want to support baby killers and still call themselves Catholic.

I haven’t seen anyone supporting killing a baby. But nevertheless what exactly would you propose they call themselves if the Catholic Church says they are Catholic if they were baptized or confirmed in a Catholic church?

 

[Darryl1958]

Non-practicing.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Non-practicing.

Even if they attend Mass every weekend and observe other precepts?

 

[Darryl1958]

Even if they attend Mass every weekend and observe other precepts?

It is good to keep up appearances for sure.
Still, one has to take Catholic indifference to the unborn with a grain of salt.

As long as rationalizations keep them coming to Mass though…

 

[Memaw]

The really sad part is that she did not drown-she suffocated. She found an air pocket in the backseat and slowly suffocated while Ted sat on the bridge trying to determine how he was going to spin this in such a way it didn’t end his political career .

Dead is dead no matter how. The truth is he DIDN"T do a thing to help her and probable could have saved her life if he had acted honorably right away. He had no feeling for that poor girl. Just like the pro-abortionist have NO feeling for the poor babies being killed, (and cut apart), by the thousands every day in our country. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

It is good to keep up appearances for sure.
Still, one has to take Catholic indifference to the unborn with a grain of salt.

As long as rationalizations keep them coming to Mass though…

NOT Catholic indifference but the indifference of SOME Catholics!!! Big difference! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Darryl1958]

NOT Catholic indifference but the indifference of SOME Catholics!!! Big difference! God Bless, Memaw

Yes, that should go without saying.
Church teaching is certainly not indifferent, and the majority of practicing Catholics are not indifferent.

The majority of Catholics however, … lack passion.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Yes, that should go without saying.
Church teaching is certainly not indifferent, and the majority of practicing Catholics are not indifferent.

The majority of Catholics however, … lack passion.

Do they lack passion or do their consciences genuinely lead them to disagree with some of the official positions of the Catholic Church?

I know and love a lot of Catholics with a lot of differing views on many subjects - they all seem very passionate about their faith to me, but they often arrive at different places than their fellow Catholics on certain issues. And many of them honestly do not believe that the Catholic Church tells them how they should vote.

 

[Memaw]

Yes, that should go without saying.
Church teaching is certainly not indifferent, and the majority of practicing Catholics are not indifferent.

The majority of Catholics however, … lack passion.

Are you the judge of that??? God Bless, memaw

 

[Memaw]

Do they lack passion or do their consciences genuinely lead them to disagree with some of the official positions of the Catholic Church?

I know and love a lot of Catholics with a lot of differing views on many subjects - they all seem very passionate about their faith to me, but they often arrive at different places than their fellow Catholics on certain issues. And many of them honestly do not believe that the Catholic Church tells them how they should vote.

The Catholic Church tells us how NOT to vote. We cannot vote for an intrinsic evil no matter what form it is spun into. All Catholics should know that they must have a properly formed conscience according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. We cannot depend on a poorly formed conscience. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Darryl1958]

Are you the judge of that??? God Bless, memaw

Yes.
I am not God. I cannot judge the state of a person’s eternal soul.
It is our right and our duty as human beings nevertheless to make discernments.

As the father of her children and her life partner, a wife has an obligation to herself and to her family to discern what the late nights, the hushed phone calls and the long hairs and the smell of perfume on her husband’s suit imply.

For a person to vote for Hitler on the basis of his socialist egalitarianism, the implication would be that the voter lacked passion for Jews.

For a person to support Stalin or Mao out of a love for communism or a hatred for the West, the clear implication is that they have no passion for the genocide of millions.

And for a person to vote for Hillary because she is a woman, or whatever, the clear implication is that the passion of that voter does not lie with the unborn.

 

[Sy_Noe]

But it is true.Facing the truth about abortion is the first step in obliterating it from our society.

What’s true? That a woman who has an abortion is a murderer or a baby killer? Yes I agree it may be true in some circles. I don’t know. Does the Catholic Church call the woman a murderer and baby killer and advocate to put her on trial for murder and sentencing her to imprisonment, or worse yet, capital punishment for “murdering her baby”?

But the poster you were responding to said it “is rhetoric that makes people cringe, not because it’s true, but because it refuses to acknowledge the many nuances inherent to an honest, productive discussion about abortion”.

And that’s what people seem to miss here. That not all faiths and religions, not even all Christians agree with the Catholic Church on what the truth is about abortion or any number of things. Which makes it an issue difficult to legislate while still maintaining religious freedom. And no, because I’ve little doubt it will come up. It always does. But I can’t substitute “slavery” or the Holocaust into the equation. I know people try to do so, but I can’t. There is just far less consensus remaining yet today when it comes to abortion.

 

[Jeanne_S]

What’s true? That a woman who has an abortion is a murderer or a baby killer? Yes I agree it may be true in some circles. I don’t know. Does the Catholic Church call the woman a murderer and baby killer and advocate to put her on trial for murder and sentencing her to imprisonment, or worse yet, capital punishment for “murdering her baby”?

But the poster you were responding to said it “is rhetoric that makes people cringe, not because it’s true, but because it refuses to acknowledge the many nuances inherent to an honest, productive discussion about abortion”.

And that’s what people seem to miss here. That not all faiths and religions, not even all Christians agree with the Catholic Church on what the truth is about abortion or any number of things. Which makes it an issue difficult to legislate while still maintaining religious freedom. And no, because I’ve little doubt it will come up. It always does. But I can’t substitute “slavery” or the Holocaust into the equation. I know people try to do so, but I can’t. There is just far less consensus remaining yet today when it comes to abortion.

As a Catholic,who believes my faith holds the fullness of Truth,through the sacraments,I form my conscience accordingly.Taking the life of another is in fact against God’s commandment,Thou shalt not kill.Re the Church and it’s stance re a post abortive women.The Church offers God’s mercy and forgiveness through thecSacrament of Reconciliation.It doesn’t judge or ostracize such individuals,exactly the opposite,it offers such women,men,extended family,whoever has been hurt by the act of abortion,comfort,compassion and consolation. God’s mercy is boundless,one only needs to come to Him with a humble and contrite heart. God is Love:thumbsup:

 

[Sy_Noe]

No, Jack killed Oswald so Oswald wouldn’t talk. Jack Ruby was a well known “Kennedy hater” so why kill the man who supposedly killed the man you hate so much?

As with all thing Kennedy, there’s a conspiracy theory and a mystery involved. How did bullets enter Kennedy’s brain from the opposite direction of Oswald? Add in the Kennedy hating Ruby killing Oswald and bingo! Conspiracy, which, in this case, actually seems likely.

But this is way off-topic. This is a thread about Gabrielle Giffords endorsement of Clinton. Giffords is so well liked, I think it will help Clinton, though it’s pretty clear she’s going to be the party’s nominee and probably the first female president of the United States.

Lily, I had to say I am so sorry that your thread’s ship sailed long ago. Sadly, it did not remain on topic long at all and very little in these pages has been discussed about Gabby’s endorsement and the gun problem in the US and Hillary Clinton taking on the gun lobbyists, all of which you so eloquently wrote about in your OP. And I apologize for being drawn into other discussion that ensued. God bless you for bringing up the topic. It is no doubt one of my concerns as well. Please don’t think others do not care. Peace be with you and have a most blessed and good day and wk ahead. Today Hillary and Bernie contest Maine and I believe mid wk, Michigan and Mississippi?

 

[jcwit]

I don’t know of anyone who supports nuclear war, do you? it is interesting to note that more people have died in this countries abortuaries in the last 6 weeks than have died from nuclear weapons in all of history. Were I faced with one the prospect of one candidate who I was afraid might start a nuclear war and one who supported unrestricted abortion I would not vote for either.

While I am not for abortion at all, your facts seem somewhat wrong.

Number of people killed in Japan from our 2 atomic bombs?

129,000 to 260,000 actual counts are unsure as many were just vaporized.

Latest stats on abortion?

977,000 a year in the U.S.
That comes to 112,722 per 6 weeks.

Quite a difference, right!

 

[jcwit]

Lily, I had to say I am so sorry that your thread’s ship sailed long ago. Sadly, it did not remain on topic long at all and very little in these pages has been discussed about Gabby’s endorsement and the gun problem in the US and Hillary Clinton taking on the gun lobbyists, all of which you so eloquently wrote about in your OP. And I apologize for being drawn into other discussion that ensued. God bless you for bringing up the topic. It is no doubt one of my concerns as well. Please don’t think others do not care. Peace be with you and have a most blessed and good day and wk ahead. Today Hillary and Bernie contest Maine and I believe mid wk, Michigan and Mississippi?

The U.S. does not have a “gun” problem. I has a people problem, family problem, drug problem, accepting responsibility problem, mothers without husbands problem, children without fathers problem, just to name a few.

Guns are not the problem.

Don’t believe it? Check out how many are killed because of drugs & alcohol.

 

[Memaw]

The U.S. does not have a “gun” problem. I has a people problem, family problem, drug problem, accepting responsibility problem, mothers without husbands problem, children without fathers problem, just to name a few.

Guns are not the problem.

Don’t believe it? Check out how many are killed because of drugs & alcohol.

Your right, guns do not work by themselves. Let’s stop making laws that go after the wrong people, (law biding citizens) and enforce the ones we already have on the books. Stop illegal gun dealing etc. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Path_Finder]

While I am not for abortion at all, your facts seem somewhat wrong.

Number of people killed in Japan from our 2 atomic bombs?

129,000 to 260,000 actual counts are unsure as many were just vaporized.

Latest stats on abortion?

977,000 a year in the U.S.
That comes to 112,722 per 6 weeks.

Quite a difference, right!

And some say the fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden and Berlin account for about as much destruction as those atomic bombs.

 

[estesbob]

And some say the fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden and Berlin account for about as much destruction as those atomic bombs.

Much more.

 

[estesbob]

While I am not for abortion at all, your facts seem somewhat wrong.

Number of people killed in Japan from our 2 atomic bombs?

129,000 to 260,000 actual counts are unsure as many were just vaporized.

Latest stats on abortion?

977,000 a year in the U.S.
That comes to 112,722 per 6 weeks.

Quite a difference, right!

So about 3 times as many dead children a year than killed by Nuclear bombs in all of History-and of course that us only counting the US.