Gay Marriage and the End of Christian Civilization

[DawnInTexas]

Call it something else-2 men or 2 women, do not a marriage make.

God Bless.
+Immaculate Heart of Mary, I place all my Trust in You!
Love, Dawn

 

[Tigg]

And the law is for all citizens to follow, regardless of which religion they follow.

Don’t you understand? Yes, we will render unto Caesar until it becomes sinful for us to do so. We serve the LORD through love and obedience and our submission to HIM. We do NOT serve the world, and we cannot compromise our FAITH or moral TRUTH as taught by our Church.

 

[larkin31]

Don’t you understand? Yes, we will render unto Caesar until it becomes sinful for us to do so. We serve the LORD through love and obedience and our submission to HIM. We do NOT serve the world, and we cannot compromise our FAITH or moral TRUTH as taught by our Church.

No one will force you or anyone else to have any gay sex because of the marriage law. We can check Massachusetts, if you want, to see if anyone is being forced to commit sexual sins because of the change in the law there. You can keep being holy and devout and righteous. The broadening of civil marriage to include gays effects the Church not at all.

 

[wisdomseeker]

No one will force you or anyone else to have any gay sex because of the marriage law. We can check Massachusetts, if you want, to see if anyone is being forced to commit sexual sins because of the change in the law there. You can keep being holy and devout and righteous. The broadening of civil marriage to include gays effects the Church not at all.

yes, it does. we dont want to go places and witnesses gay people kissing and hugging in public.

 

[larkin31]

yes, it does. we dont want to go places and witnesses gay people kissing and hugging in public.

Down with hugging! Two men or two women hugging is sin! Even witnessing it is sin!

Do you prefer seeing heteros kiss in public?

 

[DawnInTexas]

Down with hugging! Two men or two women hugging is sin! Even witnessing it is sin!

Do you prefer seeing heteros kiss in public?

I do. But then again, I was an International Flight Attendant, who worked with many homosexual men (we used to guess that 9 out of 10 male attendants were gay).

I worked with them, served them on flights, caught several acting like they should not in public, and warned them to stop-or face arrest by an Air Marshall and charges once we landed. <I saw things I wished I hadn’t but was glad a passenger ~especially a child~ didn’t observe> and, I had a great time serving others on my flights (some are really funny-like everyone else, just was affectionate with someone of the same sex ).

In summary, I don’t care for PDA-although I myself love a quick peck (not making out), holding hands, or my husband’s arm around me.

I don’t do anything in public I myself wouldn’t want to watch or have my own children see.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn

 

[irishpatrick]

That’s not very inclusive of the rest of humanity, is it? All those unfortunate non-Catholics who cannot follow their consciences? They must be like spiritually un-informed children, no?

Yes, in a very real sense that is a good description and it includes many so-called Catholics as well.

 

[irishpatrick]

I am getting the feeling that many here would really rather base the countrys laws on the opinions or teachings of the Catholic Church. I have read above a few statements that say as much.

Doesn’t the very idea of that bother you, even as a Catholic? I was raised Lutheran, and largely believe most of its ideals to this day. As a Lutheran, the thought of my church hierarchy making decisions on any federal law scares the **** out of me. Not because I would disagree with the law, but because it fundamentally undermines the entire basis of the US, and I am fully aware that long term, it would damage both the country and the spirit of the law far more than it would help.

The entire idea of setting laws to a church is confusing. Maybe it is more a Catholic thing, due to the structure and obedience inherent in the Church? Dunno.

No Catholic that I know wants the laws based in Catholic teachings. Yet, most faithful Catholics want other Catholics to live and act Catholic and choose Catholic responses in every aspect of life, and not just in church. In other words, if a person is Catholic, they are a Catholic everywhere and in everything, not just in the Church at which they participate in Mass.

 

[DawnInTexas]

Down with hugging! Two men or two women hugging is sin! Even witnessing it is sin!

Do you prefer seeing heteros kiss in public?

There are hugs-like the shoulders touching (not chest) and the pats on the back-like the FREE HUGS fellow on youtube.

Then, there are the full body gropes.

Any combination of the first in public-regardless of the sex or age-are not lewd.

Gropes are lewd. Some attempt to disguise a grope-as a hug.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn

 

[DawnInTexas]

No Catholic that I know wants the laws based in Catholic teachings. Yet, most faithful Catholics want other Catholics to live and act Catholic and choose Catholic responses in every aspect of life, and not just in church. In other words, if a person is Catholic, they are a Catholic everywhere and in everything, not just in the Church at which they participate in Mass.

I do. The Founding Fathers wrote our Laws based upon Judeo Christian law.

The Catholic Church was ~it~ for the first 1600 years, and without the Catholic Church, the other christian denominations would’ve had nothing to rebel against and schism away-they would not exist.

It would be most pleasing to God if we based our Laws on His Word and Teachings, as defined by His Church.

We are just passing through this world-on our way back to Him (hopefully)-for Eternity.

When it comes to Homosexuality, these people have a unique and heavy cross to bear-to remain chaste. To be unchaste is a Mortal Sin. The Liberal Attitude of commending and furthering unchastity—will ultimately bring the Justice of Mortal Sin.

It is not marriage. Father Euteneuer sees the whittling away of our Freedoms—he can see the death that’s coming for our Society. It begins with the death of the Family.

We’ve been warned.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn

 

[irishpatrick]

I do. The Founding Fathers wrote our Laws based upon Judeo Christian law.

The Catholic Church was ~it~ for the first 1600 years, and without the Catholic Church, the other christian denominations would’ve had nothing to rebel against and schism away-they would not exist.

It would be most pleasing to God if we based our Laws on His Word and Teachings, as defined by His Church.

We are just passing through this world-on our way back to Him (hopefully)-for Eternity.

When it comes to Homosexuality, these people have a unique and heavy cross to bear-to remain chaste. To be unchaste is a Mortal Sin. The Liberal Attitude of commending and furthering unchastity—will ultimately bring the Justice of Mortal Sin.

It is not marriage. Father Euteneuer sees the whittling away of our Freedoms—he can see the death that’s coming for our Society. It begins with the death of the Family.

We’ve been warned.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn

Than for the first time (that I can recall) we disagree. The founders did not want one Church’s view to hold sway over the entire nation and they were quite wise to feel that way. I think there is a difference between Catholic teachings and law, versus natural law, which should be held in high regard by everyone. It is natural law that I feel should never be broken by civil law.

Remember too that the only reason our freedoms will be taken is because Christians of all denoms refuse to be actually Christian. For example: there is absolutely NO excuse for legal abortions in a nation that claims to be 85% Christian…zero excuse for such a horrendous law. There are many others and they all came into existence because this has become basically a pagan nation, rather than a Christian nation.

Things like life and marriage fall under natural law, as well as Catholic teachings.

 

[irishpatrick]

I do. The Founding Fathers wrote our Laws based upon Judeo Christian law.

The Catholic Church was ~it~ for the first 1600 years, and without the Catholic Church, the other christian denominations would’ve had nothing to rebel against and schism away-they would not exist.

It would be most pleasing to God if we based our Laws on His Word and Teachings, as defined by His Church.

We are just passing through this world-on our way back to Him (hopefully)-for Eternity.

When it comes to Homosexuality, these people have a unique and heavy cross to bear-to remain chaste. To be unchaste is a Mortal Sin. The Liberal Attitude of commending and furthering unchastity—will ultimately bring the Justice of Mortal Sin.

It is not marriage. Father Euteneuer sees the whittling away of our Freedoms—he can see the death that’s coming for our Society. It begins with the death of the Family.

We’ve been warned.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn

Gays have the same God given freedoms that we all have. They can choose for or against actions just like the rest of us. A straight man might choose to live with a woman in grave sin, while a gay man might choose to live with another man…in both cases they have chosen grave sin. The difficulty for every person is to find a way to battle against our own sinful natures and yet still remain faithful to God…every single person has that cross in one form or another.

 

[DawnInTexas]

A Godless Nation will not survive.
God Bless.
+Jesus, You Are the King of the Whole World!
Love, Dawn

Click Here:QUAS PRIMAS (On the Feast of Christ the King)
Pope Pius XI
Encyclical promulgated on 11 December 1925

1. Do we not read throughout the Scriptures that Christ is the King? He it is that shall come out of Jacob to rule,[3] who has been set by the Father as king over Sion, his holy mount, and shall have the Gentiles for his inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for his possession.[4] In the nuptial hymn, where the future King of Israel is hailed as a most rich and powerful monarch, we read: “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; the scepter of thy kingdom is a scepter of righteousness.”[5] There are many similar passages, but there is one in which Christ is even more clearly indicated. Here it is foretold that his kingdom will have no limits, and will be enriched with justice and peace: “in his days shall justice spring up, and abundance of peace…And he shall rule from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.”[6]

1. It was surely right, then, in view of the common teaching of the sacred books, that the Catholic Church, which is the kingdom of Christ on earth, destined to be spread among all men and all nations, should with every token of veneration salute her Author and Founder in her annual liturgy as King and Lord, and as King of Kings. And, in fact, she used these titles, giving expression with wonderful variety of language to one and the same concept, both in ancient psalmody and in the Sacramentaries. She uses them daily now in the prayers publicly offered to God, and in offering the Immaculate Victim. The perfect harmony of the Eastern liturgies with our own in this continual praise of Christ the King shows once more the truth of the axiom: Legem credendi lex statuit supplicandi. The rule of faith is indicated by the law of our worship.
2. The foundation of this power and dignity of Our Lord is rightly indicated by Cyril of Alexandria. “Christ,” he says, “has dominion over all creatures, a dominion not seized by violence nor usurped, but his by essence and by nature.”[20] His kingship is founded upon the ineffable hypostatic union. From this it follows not only that Christ is to be adored by angels and men, but that to him as man angels and men are subject, and must recognize his empire; by reason of the hypostatic union Christ has power over all creatures. But a thought that must give us even greater joy and consolation is this that Christ is our King by acquired, as well as by natural right, for he is our Redeemer. Would that they who forget what they have cost their Savior might recall the words: “You were not redeemed with corruptible things, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled.”[21] We are no longer our own property, for Christ has purchased us “with a great price”;[22] our very bodies are the “members of Christ.”[23]
3. Let Us explain briefly the nature and meaning of this lordship of Christ. It consists, We need scarcely say, in a threefold power which is essential to lordship. This is sufficiently clear from the scriptural testimony already adduced concerning the universal dominion of our Redeemer, and moreover it is a dogma of faith that Jesus Christ was given to man, not only as our Redeemer, but also as a law-giver, to whom obedience is due.[24] Not only do the gospels tell us that he made laws, but they present him to us in the act of making them. Those who keep them show their love for their Divine Master, and he promises that they shall remain in his love.[25] He claimed judicial power as received from his Father, when the Jews accused him of breaking the Sabbath by the miraculous cure of a sick man. “For neither doth the Father judge any man; but hath given all judgment to the Son.”[26] In this power is included the right of rewarding and punishing all men living, for this right is inseparable from that of judging. Executive power, too, belongs to Christ, for all must obey his commands; none may escape them, nor the sanctions he has imposed.

(continued…)

 

[DawnInTexas]

(part 2)

1. This kingdom is spiritual and is concerned with spiritual things. That this is so the above quotations from Scripture amply prove, and Christ by his own action confirms it. On many occasions, when the Jews and even the Apostles wrongly supposed that the Messiah would restore the liberties and the kingdom of Israel, he repelled and denied such a suggestion. When the populace thronged around him in admiration and would have acclaimed him King, he shrank from the honor and sought safety in flight. Before the Roman magistrate he declared that his kingdom was not of this world. The gospels present this kingdom as one which men prepare to enter by penance, and cannot actually enter except by faith and by baptism, which, though an external rite, signifies and produces an interior regeneration. This kingdom is opposed to none other than to that of Satan and to the power of darkness. It demands of its subjects a spirit of detachment from riches and earthly things, and a spirit of gentleness. They must hunger and thirst after justice, and more than this, they must deny themselves and carry the cross.
2. Christ as our Redeemer purchased the Church at the price of his own blood; as priest he offered himself, and continues to offer himself as a victim for our sins. Is it not evident, then, that his kingly dignity partakes in a manner of both these offices?
3. It would be a grave error, on the other hand, to say that Christ has no authority whatever in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power. Nevertheless, during his life on earth he refrained from the exercise of such authority, and although he himself disdained to possess or to care for earthly goods, he did not, nor does he today, interfere with those who possess them. Non eripit mortalia qui regna dat caelestia.[27]
4. Thus the empire of our Redeemer embraces all men. To use the words of Our immortal predecessor, Pope Leo XIII: “His empire includes not only Catholic nations, not only baptized persons who, though of right belonging to the Church, have been led astray by error, or have been cut off from her by schism, but also all those who are outside the Christian faith; so that truly the whole of mankind is subject to the power of Jesus Christ.”[28] Nor is there any difference in this matter between the individual and the family or the State; for all men, whether collectively or individually, are under the dominion of Christ. In him is the salvation of the individual, in him is the salvation of society. “Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved.”[29] He is the author of happiness and true prosperity for every man and for every nation. “For a nation is happy when its citizens are happy. What else is a nation but a number of men living in concord?”[30] If, therefore, the rulers of nations wish to preserve their authority, to promote and increase the prosperity of their countries, they will not neglect the public duty of reverence and obedience to the rule of Christ. What We said at the beginning of Our Pontificate concerning the decline of public authority, and the lack of respect for the same, is equally true at the present day. "With God and Jesus Christ," we said, "excluded from political life, with authority derived not from God but from man, the very basis of that authority has been taken away, because the chief reason of the distinction between ruler and subject has been eliminated. The result is that human society is tottering to its fall, because it has no longer a secure and solid foundation."[31]
5. When once men recognize, both in private and in public life, that Christ is King, society will at last receive the great blessings of real liberty, well-ordered discipline, peace and harmony. Our Lord’s regal office invests the human authority of princes and rulers with a religious significance; it ennobles the citizen’s duty of obedience. It is for this reason that St. Paul, while bidding wives revere Christ in their husbands, and slaves respect Christ in their masters, warns them to give obedience to them not as men, but as the vicegerents of Christ; for it is not meet that men redeemed by Christ should serve their fellow-men. “You are bought with a price; be not made the bond-slaves of men.”[32] If princes and magistrates duly elected are filled with the persuasion that they rule, not by their own right, but by the mandate and in the place of the Divine King, they will exercise their authority piously and wisely, and they will make laws and administer them, having in view the common good and also the human dignity of their subjects. The result will be a stable peace and tranquillity, for there will be no longer any cause of discontent. Men will see in their king or in their rulers men like themselves, perhaps unworthy or open to criticism, but they will not on that account refuse obedience if they see reflected in them the authority of Christ God and Man. Peace and harmony, too, will result; for with the spread and the universal extent of the kingdom of Christ men will become more and more conscious of the link that binds them together, and thus many conflicts will be either prevented entirely or at least their bitterness will be diminished.

(continued…)

 

[DawnInTexas]

(part 3)

1. If the kingdom of Christ, then, receives, as it should, all nations under its way, there seems no reason why we should despair of seeing that peace which the King of Peace came to bring on earth—he who came to reconcile all things, who came not to be ministered unto but to minister, who, though Lord of all, gave himself to us as a model of humility, and with his principal law united the precept of charity; who said also: “My yoke is sweet and my burden light.” Oh, what happiness would be Ours if all men, individuals, families, and nations, would but let themselves be governed by Christ! “Then at length,” to use the words addressed by our predecessor, Pope Leo XIII, twenty-five years ago to the bishops of the Universal Church, “then at length will many evils be cured; then will the law regain its former authority; peace with all its blessings be restored. Men will sheathe their swords and lay down their arms when all freely acknowledge and obey the authority of Christ, and every tongue confesses that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.”[33]
2. That these blessings may be abundant and lasting in Christian society, it is necessary that the kingship of our Savior should be as widely as possible recognized and understood, and to the end nothing would serve better than the institution of a special feast in honor of the Kingship of Christ. For people are instructed in the truths of faith, and brought to appreciate the inner joys of religion far more effectually by the annual celebration of our sacred mysteries than by any official pronouncement of the teaching of the Church. Such pronouncements usually reach only a few and the more learned among the faithful; feasts reach them all; the former speak but once, the latter speak every year—in fact, forever. The church’s teaching affects the mind primarily; her feasts affect both mind and heart, and have a salutary effect upon the whole of man’s nature. Man is composed of body and soul, and he needs these external festivities so that the sacred rites, in all their beauty and variety, may stimulate him to drink more deeply of the fountain of God’s teaching, that he may make it a part of himself, and use it with profit for his spiritual life.
3. History, in fact, tells us that in the course of ages these festivals have been instituted one after another according as the needs or the advantage of the people of Christ seemed to demand: as when they needed strength to face a common danger, when they were attacked by insidious heresies, when they needed to be urged to the pious consideration of some mystery of faith or of some divine blessing. Thus in the earliest days of the Christian era, when the people of Christ were suffering cruel persecution, the cult of the martyrs was begun in order, says St. Augustine, “that the feasts of the martyrs might incite men to martyrdom.”[34] The liturgical honors paid to confessors, virgins and widows produced wonderful results in an increased zest for virtue, necessary even in times of peace. But more fruitful still were the feasts instituted in honor of the Blessed Virgin. As a result of these men grew not only in their devotion to the Mother of God as an ever-present advocate, but also in their love of her as a mother bequeathed to them by their Redeemer. Not least among the blessings which have resulted from the public and legitimate honor paid to the Blessed Virgin and the saints is the perfect and perpetual immunity of the Church from error and heresy. We may well admire in this the admirable wisdom of the Providence of God, who, ever bringing good out of evil, has from time to time suffered the faith and piety of men to grow weak, and allowed Catholic truth to be attacked by false doctrines, but always with the result that truth has afterwards shone out with greater splendor, and that men’s faith, aroused from its lethargy, has shown itself more vigorous than before.

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[DawnInTexas]

(part 4)

1. The festivals that have been introduced into the liturgy in more recent years have had a similar origin, and have been attended with similar results. When reverence and devotion to the Blessed Sacrament had grown cold, the feast of Corpus Christi was instituted, so that by means of solemn processions and prayer of eight days’ duration, men might be brought once more to render public homage to Christ. So, too, the feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus was instituted at a time when men were oppressed by the sad and gloomy severity of Jansenism, which had made their hearts grow cold, and shut them out from the love of God and the hope of salvation.
2. If We ordain that the whole Catholic world shall revere Christ as King, We shall minister to the need of the present day, and at the same time provide an excellent remedy for the plague which now infects society. We refer to the plague of anti-clericalism, its errors and impious activities. This evil spirit, as you are well aware, Venerable Brethren, has not come into being in one day; it has long lurked beneath the surface. The empire of Christ over all nations was rejected. The right which the Church has from Christ himself, to teach mankind, to make laws, to govern peoples in all that pertains to their eternal salvation, that right was denied. Then gradually the religion of Christ came to be likened to false religions and to be placed ignominiously on the same level with them. It was then put under the power of the state and tolerated more or less at the whim of princes and rulers. Some men went even further, and wished to set up in the place of God’s religion a natural religion consisting in some instinctive affection of the heart. There were even some nations who thought they could dispense with God, and that their religion should consist in impiety and the neglect of God. The rebellion of individuals and states against the authority of Christ has produced deplorable consequences. We lamented these in the Encyclical Ubi arcano; we lament them today: the seeds of discord sown far and wide; those bitter enmities and rivalries between nations, which still hinder so much the cause of peace; that insatiable greed which is so often hidden under a pretense of public spirit and patriotism, and gives rise to so many private quarrels; a blind and immoderate selfishness, making men seek nothing but their own comfort and advantage, and measure everything by these; no peace in the home, because men have forgotten or neglect their duty; the unity and stability of the family undermined; society in a word, shaken to its foundations and on the way to ruin. We firmly hope, however, that the feast of the Kingship of Christ, which in future will be yearly observed, may hasten the return of society to our loving Savior. It would be the duty of Catholics to do all they can to bring about this happy result. Many of these, however, have neither the station in society nor the authority which should belong to those who bear the torch of truth. This state of things may perhaps be attributed to a certain slowness and timidity in good people, who are reluctant to engage in conflict or oppose but a weak resistance; thus the enemies of the Church become bolder in their attacks. But if the faithful were generally to understand that it behooves them ever to fight courageously under the banner of Christ their King, then, fired with apostolic zeal, they would strive to win over to their Lord those hearts that are bitter and estranged from him, and would valiantly defend his rights.

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[irishpatrick]

What is the purpose of the impossibly long post?

 

[DawnInTexas]

Gays have the same God given freedoms that we all have. They can choose for or against actions just like the rest of us. A straight man might choose to live with a woman in grave sin, while a gay man might choose to live with another man…in both cases they have chosen grave sin. The difficulty for every person is to find a way to battle against our own sinful natures and yet still remain faithful to God…every single person has that cross in one form or another.

Secular Society also shores up and celebrates the freedom of the unchaste sin of fornication, you are correct.

Take it 1 step further, add the perversion of sodomy, and attempt to call it what God has made Holy (Matrimony)-and Satan wins yet again-on another front.

You betcha.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn

 

[larkin31]

I do. The Founding Fathers wrote our Laws based upon Judeo Christian law.

The Catholic Church was ~it~ for the first 1600 years, and without the Catholic Church, the other christian denominations would’ve had nothing to rebel against and schism away-they would not exist.

It would be most pleasing to God if we based our Laws on His Word and Teachings, as defined by His Church.

We are just passing through this world-on our way back to Him (hopefully)-for Eternity.

The founding fathers did not.

There are other countries that you may seek where what you hope for is done. Unfortunately, they tend to be Muslim and fanatical. However, there you would find the type of government and law that you are seeking.

 

[DawnInTexas]

What is the purpose of the impossibly long post?

A good, wholesome Catholic Read.

The whole thing can be read at the link at the top.

Enjoy.

God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn