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larkin31
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“fined”?
Do you mean that he broke a contract and had to return the money? Can you give some details on this? I am curious. I care about the details of legal matters, and enjoy reading them.
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Do you mean that he broke a contract and had to return the money? Can you give some details on this? I am curious. I care about the details of legal matters, and enjoy reading them.
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larkin31
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Adoption services don’t marry people.Massachusetts’ Catholic orphan placement (with over a century of good work) is gone; history. That was inside of two years of the state’s going forward with gay marriage and demanding that the Church’s charitable arms comply.
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wisdomseeker
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Tigg;6974705:
? YES.No, we do not, but “justice” can only be achieved and defined when it is coupled with God’s eternal and never-ending Truth. [/QUOTED]You mean with the Quran, right? Or some other religion? Which religion’s God are you refering to? Please be specific.
For justice on earth in our courts
No, you did not. There was no evidence of harm.
Larkin,
i understand your position. you live in the world and for the world. we as Christians believe in One God and want to live by His teachings. you dont believe in God therefore, this argument will get nowhere.
the gay agenda is not innocent. they want to infuse a new teach in the heads of the human beings that it is ok for same sex to marry and there is no sin in that. they want people to believe that there is no difference between the sexes. there is not true for us. we cannot accept such a thing. the laws that dissobey the laws of God it is an abomination to us and will remain so. how can we scape from the wrath of God if His people continue to sin? if priests dont warn the people in every Mass, which they should be doing, they will be accountable for. they will be accountable for not warning the people and let the people live in sin in the Temple of God. we will be called by the Just One and will be judged. you do not understand that, but you will also will be called into judgement. He is the Authority and not you. you can do as you please in this life but when you die which can be any day, you will face this Judge and you have no control over that. you will have to answer to Him for every idle word you have said in this life for the souls that you helped away from God. you have no control over this. you cannot choose not to be judged. you will be judged.
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wisdomseeker
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they dont. but this is not the point. the point is that they can continue to push for laws just like they are doing right now. their agenda is so obviously that they know what we believe and practice yet they choose to go to our facilites to cause trouble for us. this is the point. they will not stop until everyone does what they want.Adoption services don’t marry people.
they go to our schools knowing that we cant accept their lifestyle, yet they will fight to put these children on our schools to cause trouble for us. they will force themselves on us until they change our beliefs. that is what they want. they want to change what we believe.
there are plenty of adoption agency that dont give a hooch about faith and will do whatever, but they choose to go to our facility knowing really well that is against what we believe. they are not concerned about the facility being closed, they are not concerned about the good that these agencies do. they know what the law says and they are going to use these laws to hurt our faith.
think what you want. satan is smarter than you even if no one else is.
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larkin31
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Can’t we try to agree on good thinking? I don’t mind faith at all! But let’s not simply wink at bad thinking! Let’s be intelligent, as best we can!Larkin,
i understand your position. you live in the world and for the world. we as Christians believe in One God and want to live by His teachings. you dont believe in God therefore, this argument will get nowhere.
No one said it was. Very few political/social movements are. This does not seem relevant.the gay agenda is not innocent
So? And only some claim that there is no “sin” in it. Others don’t make a claim about that in any way. And religious “sin” is no longer all that relevant to the courts of the state that issue marriage licenses. You must demonstrate harm in this world.they want to infuse a new teach in the heads of the human beings that it is ok for same sex to marry and there is no sin in that.
False.they want people to believe that there is no difference between the sexes.
Do what you like in churches. The law is about what the state does, not what the church does.there is not true for us. we cannot accept such a thing. the laws that dissobey the laws of God it is an abomination to us and will remain so. how can we scape from the wrath of God if His people continue to sin? if priests dont warn the people in every Mass, which they should be doing, they will be accountable for. they will be accountable for not warning the people and let the people live in sin in the Temple of God. we will be called by the Just One and will be judged.
Maybe. I don’t want to argue about whether there is a God. But this is irrelevant in the court case, and to argue this way (primarily) would just mean that you would lose the case.you do not understand that, but you will also will be called into judgement. He is the Authority and not you. you can do as you please in this life but when you die which can be any day, you will face this Judge and you have no control over that. you will have to answer to Him for every idle word you have said in this life for the souls that you helped away from God. you have no control over this. you cannot choose not to be judged. you will be judged.
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larkin31
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Look, you must obey civil law or you can expect some people to be unhappy and give you trouble about it. It’s the way it is in this country. It is not the country’s fault that the RCC refuses to change with the changing world around it. You, indeed, have some tough times ahead.they dont. but this is not the point. the point is that they can continue to push for laws just like they are doing right now. their agenda is so obviously that they know what we believe and practice yet they choose to go to our facilites to cause trouble for us. this is the point. they will not stop until everyone does what they want.
they go to our schools knowing that we cant accept their lifestyle, yet they will fight to put these children on our schools to cause trouble for us. they will force themselves on us until they change our beliefs. that is what they want. they want to change what we believe.
there are plenty of adoption agency that dont give a hooch about faith and will do whatever, but they choose to go to our facility knowing really well that is against what we believe. they are not concerned about the facility being closed, they are not concerned about the good that these agencies do. they know what the law says and they are going to use these laws to hurt our faith.
think what you want. satan is smarter than you even if no one else is.
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irishpatrick
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It is a good to see that someone else understands the big picture. I predict ten years from now the RCC will be forced to make some incredibly tought choices: (1) Defy the state; (2) Go underground.Massachusetts’ Catholic orphan placement (with over a century of good work) is gone; history. That was inside of two years of the state’s going forward with gay marriage and demanding that the Church’s charitable arms comply. Dissent against the state’s norm rendered the institution illegal.
Being truly Catholic will be perilous. We will be branded haters and, though we’ve become acclimated to this lie throughout history with varying levels of intensity, for the first time in America we will become subject to government isolation and, eventually, illegality.
I believe in our lifetime we may see true, prison-time enforcement of hate crime legislation against Catholics who won’t budge their views wherever they touch on their actions in the public sphere.
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irishpatrick
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Wow, you are starting to lean towards my point of view.Look, you must obey civil law or you can expect some people to be unhappy and give you trouble about it. It’s the way it is in this country. It is not the country’s fault that the RCC refuses to change with the changing world around it. You, indeed, have some tough times ahead.
BTW, after the “state” forces compliance from Catholics, how are you going to feel when the “state” makes you their next target? (funny thing about a “state” that has no controls, it will go after whomever and whatever it wants)
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irishpatrick
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Catholic Charities is a faith-based/church/religious organization and EVERY USA citizen should feel greatly disturbed that CC’s was forced to leave adoptions.they dont. but this is not the point. the point is that they can continue to push for laws just like they are doing right now. their agenda is so obviously that they know what we believe and practice yet they choose to go to our facilites to cause trouble for us. this is the point. they will not stop until everyone does what they want.
they go to our schools knowing that we cant accept their lifestyle, yet they will fight to put these children on our schools to cause trouble for us. they will force themselves on us until they change our beliefs. that is what they want. they want to change what we believe.
there are plenty of adoption agency that dont give a hooch about faith and will do whatever, but they choose to go to our facility knowing really well that is against what we believe. they are not concerned about the facility being closed, they are not concerned about the good that these agencies do. they know what the law says and they are going to use these laws to hurt our faith.
think what you want. satan is smarter than you even if no one else is.
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wisdomseeker
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thank you for saying this. they are trying to hurt our faith.Look, you must obey civil law or you can expect some people to be unhappy and give you trouble about it. It’s the way it is in this country. It is not the country’s fault that the RCC refuses to change with the changing world around it. You, indeed, have some tough times ahead.
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wisdomseeker
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yes, they should but the reality is that sin is gaining life in our world. man is the master of himself. they have disdain God’s Laws and have taking over the land. we might have to suffer a little. they did to Jesus how much more will they do it to us. but we will stand with teh Truth. they dont know the Truth. they deny the Truth, we are living in the days of the anti Christ. the anti Christ is rulling in our days. not so much in the old days.Catholic Charities is a faith-based/church/religious organization and EVERY USA citizen should feel greatly disturbed that CC’s was forced to leave adoptions.
if we have to close all the facilities, so be it. our Lord will see the sufferings of His people. when the judgement against them comes, we will see that they have no power at all. we will see the punishment of the unjust.
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irishpatrick
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There are many prophecies of both a minor and a major chastisement, which are conditional based on how people respond to God. Most of the suffering during those chastisements are manmade, not God sent. God allows us to make ourselves suffer.yes, they should but the reality is that sin is gaining life in our world. man is the master of himself. they have disdain God’s Laws and have taking over the land. we might have to suffer a little. they did to Jesus how much more will they do it to us. but we will stand with teh Truth. they dont know the Truth. they deny the Truth, we are living in the days of the anti Christ. the anti Christ is rulling in our days. not so much in the old days.
if we have to close all the facilities, so be it. our Lord will see the sufferings of His people. when the judgement against them comes, we will see that they have no power at all. we will see the punishment of the unjust.
It seems to me that we are in at the very least a minor chastisement and that is happening because people refuse to turn to God. Things won’t get better until people return to Christ, and right now the vast majority just do not realize that, nor will they believe it no matter how many times they are told.
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DawnInTexas
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Even the Roman empire ended.You mean ancient Greece, that which may regards as the cradle of civilization? Must have been several hundred years, till they were absorbed by the Roman empire.
No God=No Peace.
Know God=Know Peace.
God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You.
Love, Dawn
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What has happened in the UK, is happening here:
They were the last Catholic Adoption Agency left standing in the wake of the revolutionary tidal wave unleashed by the “Equality Act Sexual Orientation Regulations” which were passed in 2007. Eleven other Catholic agencies either closed down or severed their ties with the Catholic Church. In other words, either submit to Caesar or close your doors. catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=37908
We are supposed to be a free nation with freedom of religion…yet those freedoms are being lost much more rapidly each day. Take notice of the last sentence from the excerpt:
“In other words, either submit to Caesar or close your doors.”
That is what I have been saying is coming to the USA if gay marriage becomes the law of the land! If gay marriage is affirmed for this nation, than persecution of Churches will be part of that affirmation. Loss of freedoms, and especially religious freedoms is the inevitable consequence of gay marriage being affirmed for the nation.
They were the last Catholic Adoption Agency left standing in the wake of the revolutionary tidal wave unleashed by the “Equality Act Sexual Orientation Regulations” which were passed in 2007. Eleven other Catholic agencies either closed down or severed their ties with the Catholic Church. In other words, either submit to Caesar or close your doors. catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=37908
We are supposed to be a free nation with freedom of religion…yet those freedoms are being lost much more rapidly each day. Take notice of the last sentence from the excerpt:
“In other words, either submit to Caesar or close your doors.”
That is what I have been saying is coming to the USA if gay marriage becomes the law of the land! If gay marriage is affirmed for this nation, than persecution of Churches will be part of that affirmation. Loss of freedoms, and especially religious freedoms is the inevitable consequence of gay marriage being affirmed for the nation.
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DawnInTexas
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This has been warned. “Sign of the Times.”I agree. This is right around the corner. An evangelical wedding photographer in the Southwest (Arizona?) was fined $7,500 for (politely) declining to record a same sex union. They’re not just going to issue fines; they have already started to use the whip of government force at faithful Christians. Those who stand firm will be hurt at least monetarily. In time, the punishment will accelerate.
Incredible how many people, even when a Catholic Priest, an Exorcist warns of the damage(s) to come to Society when “Gay Marriage” is defined as “the norm,” still rely upon their own feelings. And argue on behalf of the Culture of Secularism (Godless).
The Catholic Church is Christ’s Body on earth-and the gates of hell will never prevail against her. Christ sent the Paraclete (God the Holy Spirit) to guide us through the Church-and promised we would never be alone. All the schism churches have something missing-they do not have the fullness of Christ’s Church for 2,000 years-they cannot be equal. Cannot be equal to each other, all 40,000 in our Country alone.
Others who do not proclaim to be Catholics are one thing-they do not believe the Church to be true, or they would join. But the Catholics who argue and stand firm with hardened hearts-are another thing. <-This was seen en masse at the last Election, when some Bishops put out the Guidelines for Serious Catholics, they refused to comply-and voted for the most pro-Death (and more) President in our Country’s history. He promised to Fundamentally Transform our Country, and it is happening before our very eyes.
Obama surrounds himself with pro-Abortion “Catholics.” Without the Catholic Vote, he would not have been voted in.
Our Country is losing its soul. We better wake up and smell the coffee.
Gay Marriage will be the final nail in the coffin of Christian Civilization-for our Country.
When/if America falls, the rest of the world will follow.
God Bless.
+Immaculate Heart of Mary, I place all my Trust in You!
Love, Dawn
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larkin31
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Honestly, you guys with your doom-sayings really freak me out. 21st century Jeremiads.
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GaryTaylor
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Obama is against same sex marriage, yet he wants to keep it on a State level. In order to stop it, the Federal Government needs to put in the constitution.
Very serious problem. It needs to be stopped now at the point we are at.
Very serious problem. It needs to be stopped now at the point we are at.
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DawnInTexas
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Catholics look forward to the 2nd Coming. We actually pray, “As we wait in Joyful Hope, for the Coming of Our Savior Jesus Christ” at Holy Mass each and every day.Honestly, you guys with your doom-sayings really freak me out. 21st century Jeremiads.
Joyful. We Joyfully hope.
What do Agnostic, former Protestants pray? Are you Joyful?
As we wait in Joyful Hope. Joyful! Come, Lord Jesus!
God Bless.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
JOYFUL, JOYFUL, WE ADORE THEE
Verse 1
Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee, God of glory, Lord of love;
Hearts unfold like flowers before Thee,
Opening to their sun above.
Melt the clouds of sin and sadness,
Drive the dark of doubt away;
Giver of immortal gladness, Fill us with the light of day.
Verse 2
All Thy works with joy surround Thee,
Earth and heaven reflect Thy rays,
Stars and angels sing around Thee, Center of unbroken praise:
Field and forest, vale and mountain,
Blooming meadow, flashing sea,
Chanting bird and flowing fountain, Call us to rejoice in Thee.
Verse 3
Thou art giving and forgiving, ever blessing, ever blest,
Well-spring of the joy of living,
Ocean-depth of happy rest!
Thou our Father, Christ our Brother,
All who live in love are Thine:
Teach us how to love each other, Lift us to the Joy Divine.
Verse 4
Mortals join the mighty chorus, which the morning stars began;
Father-love is reigning o’er us,
Brother-love binds man to man.
Ever singing marching onward, Victors in the midst of strife;
Joyful music lifts us sunward In the triumph song of life.
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kenofken
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Perhaps, but I’m not.Catholic Charities is a faith-based/church/religious organization and EVERY USA citizen should feel greatly disturbed that CC’s was forced to leave adoptions.
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larkin31
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Very joyful, indeed. And especially joyful over the progress toward justice and equality and longer healthier lives that the world has been steadily making over the past few hundred years!Catholics look forward to the 2nd Coming. We actually pray, “As we wait in Joyful Hope, for the Coming of Our Savior Jesus Christ” at Holy Mass each and every day.
Joyful. We Joyfully hope.
What do Agnostic, former Protestants pray? Are you Joyful?
And, this agnostic loves this hymn, especially as it is based on the melody of the last movement of Beethoven’s 9th, and the Ode to Joy and Schiller’s poem of the same name!
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