Ed is grossly misinformed. Counseling and/or therapy to help people, even minors, with SSA are available from legitimate mental health professionals.edwest211:
How? Why? What would make the law do such a thing?
It gets worse.
The Death-knell
I see. It makes sense that they would ban something that doesn’t work and could harm someone. A while ago I thought that I should go seek conversion therapy. However I didn’t because I thought it was just not possible.
Do you see that a medical professional promoting a therapy that is generally held to be ineffective and in some case harmful is not a good thing?
Is nothing a wrong unless it is forced upon the innocent? Was anyone forced to invest with Madoff?
The states have a right to protect minors and those states that banned the therapy reasoned that some parents and minors would seek conversion therapy on advice of an advocate without first doing due diligence and therefore not have full knowledge that it doesn’t work or the potential to harm the minor.
The jurisdictions that are banning this quackery are banning it for minors. In most jurisdictions, minors cannot give consent, and thus it is their parents or guardians who have been putting them into this therapy, so, by definition, yes people have been forced into this fake therapy. An adult is certainly free to choose any therapy they’d like; power crystals, hypnotism, joining a cult, whatever they may like, but most governments assert at least some right to protect the rights, health and safety of minors, so in this case, banning this fakery from being used on minors is within a state’s right.edwest211:
Is nothing a wrong unless it is forced upon the innocent? Was anyone forced to invest with Madoff?
Yes, though not just minors. All those where there is an imbalance in power (includes knowledge) or a vulnerability of some kind.
I will take up that opinion though. I looked through a random list of serial killers to see if their sexual preferences in victims were homosexual or heterosexual. It was somewhere between an half and a third were homosexual, sufficient for me to hold that opinion, though it is not something I would use to persuade others.
It’s a shame the same logic doesn’t extend to minors switching or deciding genders, to have abortions or consensual sex.
And you have actual data(and no, flimsy anecdotal observations is not data) to back up your claim homosexual activity increases the likelihood of being a murderer, right?niceatheist:
I will take up that opinion though. I looked through a random list of serial killers to see if their sexual preferences in victims were homosexual or heterosexual. It was somewhere between an half and a third were homosexual, sufficient for me to hold that opinion, though it is not something I would use to persuade others.
However, when it comes to sin, I prefer theology over psychology, as I have found it more reliable over the years. Sin numbs one to sin, not only the same sin, but similar sin, and to a lesser extent, all sin. I find no surprise that homosexual activity increases the chance that one would be willing to take the lives of others, or for that matter, one’s own life, as does other sexually indulgent sins.
I do not need data, for I do not think anyone will ever study this in our political climate. My own observations are sufficient for me. “Flimsy” is a matter of opinion.
This should not be controversial, right? Any sin inclines is to more sin. Of course a more grave sin will incline us even more to sin, particularly by other grave sins. We are on a path in life. Each choice takes us in a direction. We are either moving towards holiness or towards corruption.
I thought the same but I actually did find a study of this which I linked in an earlier post.
It has a better base than you do for that inaccurate paraphrase. You really should not attempt “in other words,” not that I have ever seen anyone use that phrase with accuracy.
Like most Liberal nanny-state advocates, you don’t seem to recognize the hypocrisy of your statement. For example, in the United States, these “minors” that you wish to protect are murdered by the thousands every year by abortion. You are entirely OK with giving parents the authority to make the decision to have their own children murdered, but not to allow them to enroll their children in psychological therapy treatments for a legitimate disorder. The state has the authority to ensure the common good of its citizens. This NEVER entails permitting the murder of its own unborn. It does entail ensuring that parents have the right to exercise legitimate authority over their own children, including seeking psychological therapy for them.
So would you also agree that parents should not engage in seeking them to find alternate genders, or explore homosexuality?