Gay Pride Masses

[agname]

darcee:

Most of the OP and the picture seem to come from a site called TRADITIO traditio.com/

One of the current posts there says

Any site the refers to the Holy Eucharist as the “Novus Ordo kommunion kookie” gets a BIG thumbs down from me. :tsktsk:

-D

Thanks for the site. I’ve seen several sites like this…that pull a Michael Moore…in order to protest the New Mass. Though, I have no doubt abuses do happen. It’s nescient to believe that just because the New Mass is used…that it causes liberal behavior such as this (gay pride flags, etc.). There is no doubt…behavior like this would have happened even if the Latin Mass was being performed. You’ll always have bad apples. Look at all the heresies that occurred before Vatican II. Is that the fault of the Latin Mass…no. Groups such as these…are grasping for straws.

 

[Jeffrey]

Gay and Mssses shouldn’t even be in the same sentence

They can keep the pride, since pride is sinful anyways.

This whole homo/gay thing is just sickening. They are trying to destroy families. We need to pray, and keep on praying!!!

 

[agname]

Calvin:

In post 36, one of the posters (claims) to have posted an e-mail he received from the church administrator in response to a question about the banner. The response seemed to assume that the flag was genuine

You can also see some wire off to the top right in the light of the skylight holding the banner up. That would be a hard detail to photoshop in.

(Edit: I just went to the JUC website and this picture is posted on the front page jucboston.org/ – it is real.)

I’m still interested in finding out what the symbol on the flag is…

-C

Thanks for the link. I had suspicions because of the shading and transparency issues with the banner. They probably cleaned up (filters, etc.) the original print for the website.

 

[Shoshana]

PHP]Sr. Alice Kirby, C.S.J

  [email="akirbycsj@comcast.net"]akirbycsj@comcast.net[/email]
 
 
 
Now this is really scary! I was in the convent at one point, thus my name 'Sister' at one point!
 
My middle name is Alice...!
 
my maiden name was Kirby!!!
 
It feels like the Twilight Zone....

 

[Bobby_Jim]

Calvin:

Taize is not Pentecostal.

It started in France by Catholics. There is an “ecumenical” monastery there now, but it doesn’t sound like an “official” CC group. (Although Pope JP II visited them a few years ago and prayed with the monks.)

Many “mainline” Protestants are interested in Taize, but it is too disciplined for Pentecostals.

I think Brother Roger, one of the founders of the Taizé community, was a French or Swiss Protestant with heavy Catholic leanings. Taizé is definitely much more Catholic in character than most American Protestant denominations, and even has more Catholic character than you will see in a lot of American Catholic churches. Taizé is increasing in popularity among the Eastern Orthodox - Christians from Romania, Russia, Greece, etc. are going there now, along with Western Catholics and Protestants. The prayer services are very “liturgical” in their format, much more than you would ever see in a Pentecostal movement. I can’t see it appealing to evangelical Protestants either - I think it appeals more to the mainline Protestants.

Pentecostals would hate it because the prayer is often centered around an icon of the crucifixion, for example the San Damiano Cross:
classic-crossandcrucifix.com/pics/thumbs/m5001dt.jpg
(There’s also another crucifixion icon they use, I can’t think of the name). And then there are those chants with their endless repetition. And many of the chants are sung in Latin or other REAL tongues. Wouldn’t this just set the evangelical/Pentecostals’ blood boiling?

 

[thann]

CathAnFanatical:

**NOTES FROM THE DIRECTOR
TENTH SUNDAY OF ORDINARY TIME
SUNDAY, JUNE 9, 2002

**Dear Friends,
…

I’m grateful for the thirty who represented the J.U.C. in the parade, and particularly to the Chair of our Pastoral Council, Bob Muti, for helping to carry the J.U.C. banner along the route. Like so many other supportive straight members of our community, Bob gives strong and bold witness to that care for all God’s people to which the Gospels call us.

OK. I am done using the term “gay.” From now on I am going to use “crooked,” and refer to Isaiah 40:4:

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight…

and to John 1:23:

He said: “I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the desert, “Make straight the way of the Lord,”’ as Isaiah the prophet said.”

'thann

 

[retina_md]

Shoshana says,

"So, this priest told me that this was true and most priests were homosexual. If homosexuality was not allowed, there would be hardly any priests at all. Now that was earth-shattering. Well, you could still be homosexual and still live by the vow of celibacy no different than a heterosexual priest. Well…I guess, but do they??? "

Shoshana**, **if you think about it, over the course of the last 2000 yrs. it may well have been that a disproportionate number of priests have at least had homosexual leanings. (It is not as black and white as the gay lobby would have you believe. Some people claim to go both ways with equal enthusiasm) But, if we are to be faithful to the Church and the Bible we clearly cannot pass any moral judgement upon anyone because of their “sexual orientation” as it is now known. In the case of a homosexual, unless he was to force himself to marry, his option as a Christian is only celibacy. Thus, it would be natural for him to enter a profession where celibacy is a requirement. His sexual leanings would of course be a special cross for him to bear, but anyone who is sincerely following God’s will in this deserves our love and prayers, including and especially priests. Perhaps, in some sense this is God’s way of giving them a place for them to serve Him.
Giving way to urges and practicing homosexuality, within or without the seminary, or the parish, is a mortal sin as it would be for a heterosexual priest to break his vows. That is not to equate the two, for homosexual practice is mortal sin in any context.
Personally, if I knew that my priest was homosexually inclined, it would not change my opinion of him. I would still go to him for Confession, for guidance, for the Eucharist, and I would still love him and pray for him. And I would have the same concern if he broke his vows.
I guess we might say that Bill Clinton’s much touted "Don’t ask, don’t tell, " policy has been around a long time. The blatant defiance of Church teaching, the promiscuity and licentiousness is more a product of the pagan culture around us, and I hope it is less widespread than it appears.

I think the point is that homosexual tendencies have become homosexual agendas in the seminaries and for many priests. That is, celibacy is not practiced or if it is, it is done begrudingly and not lovingly. Unfortunately many priests (and bishops) have bought into the notion that homosexuality is a normal phenomenon and the Church’s teachings are wrong on this issue. Many are obstinant in their refusal to accept the teaching of Mother Church on these matter.

 

[mattyp]

I wrote, respectfully, to the church there and this is what I got back (along with my follow up question):

— Tom Carroll <tcarroll@jucboston.org> wrote:
**Hello, Matt,

We are supportive here both of Church teaching and
of homosexual persons, in the spirit of the American bishops’s pastoral letter, Always Our Children.

Fr. Tom Carroll, SJ
**------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks, Father, for your reply. I just have one more question about this because I am honestly confused and curious:
I’m only assuming that the rainbow flag you have in your church represents your support of homosexual people. I DO know that being a homosexual is not a sin, but homosexual acts ARE a sin according to church teaching.

My question is this: Would you also be willing to hang a Nazi flag (representing bigots and murderers) over your sanctuary? Nazis are God’s children, too, but their bahvior can be construed as sinful.

Again, Father, I’m not trying to antagonize you, only trying to understand my faith better.

God Bless,
Matt

 

[CathAnFanatical]

so both Mr Brown and this so called Priest think alike.

In both emails they never answered a single question.

nice two step faddah!

If you view his picture on the site, you would have no clue he was a priest…at least I didnt until your email above.

 

[CathAnFanatical]

I sent Mr Carroll a letter as well.

We’ll see what he says.

 

[mattyp]

Yeah, what’s the deal with not wearing the priestly uniform? Not proud of your role as an apostle for God?

 

[Charlemagne]

Aris:

I wouldn’t pass too quick a judgement on the Jesuits. They after all are partly responsible for countering Luther and the others. In many parts of the world they carry on the education of the youth not just in Catholic matters but in math and writing.

But do they educate the youth in the teachings of the Church or in teachings in dissent of the Church? Just look at Georgetown University and Boston College!

 

[barryc]

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

Why aren’t Church Officials doing anything about it?

 

[CathAnFanatical]

barryc:

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

Why aren’t Church Officials doing anything about it?

this is what id like to know.

Could be alot of things. The Bishops and Cardinals have their plate full, and with a shortage of Priests already its hard to get control.

Could also be that the Bishops and Cardinals have no clue this is going on.

The rules say it must be okayed by the Bishop, but doesnt mean the disobediant Priest is going to ask everytime.

With phone calls, letters and emails our voice can be heard.

They WILL listen, especially if we threaten to withhold finances.

God Bless