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EmperorNapoleon
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Sex isn’t a lifestyle and there is no such thing as a “homosexual lifestyle.”
Homosexuality isn’t a behavior; it’s a psychogolical and biological state of being.
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CatholicBoy1957
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**They have their own nightclubs, organizations, publications, liturgies, mannerisms, style of dress, and, of course, they date the same sex.
I guess the big problem is that it’s one thing to suffer from SSA, but when one is engaging in homosexual sex, now that’s a homosexual lifestyle. **
I guess the big problem is that it’s one thing to suffer from SSA, but when one is engaging in homosexual sex, now that’s a homosexual lifestyle. **
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pnewton
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It is a fact there exists a homosexual act that is a behavior. It is a theory that it it is biological state of being, one with out proof. So I would say you have it backwards.
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1holycatholic
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You’d have a point if active homosexuals didn’t suffer from shorter lifespans riddled with disease and brutal homosexual on homosexual violence. At least that’s according to the government public health scientists. I’m sure the defenders of homosexual behavior will chuck science under the bus the same way that the pro abortion crowd eighty-sixes science when it comes to a human being existing at conception.
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EmperorNapoleon
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There hasn’t been any scientific study which shows that the average homosexual has a shorter lifespan than an average heterosexual.
Thats probably one of the biggest exagerations I’ve read on this board.The CDC reported back in the 90s that homosexual men with HIV/AIDS have a shorter lifespan. Of course, so do heterosexuals with HIV/AIDS and pretty much anyone with an immune deficiency so the point is moot.
What science would that be?
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1holycatholic
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The public health science paid for with tax dollars.
Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men.
CONCLUSION: In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.
Although HIV remains a serious problem it’s hardly the only serious health risk associated with homosexual behavior. There’s plenty of data in the public health journals.
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Bwtby
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SSA is a joke. How could have an ‘attraction’ to the same sex and not be homosexual?
If you’re a male and have some kind of interest in another male… that’s gay.
And these gay rights groups are enormously ridiculous. And they could cry ‘hate’ all they want, but the Church is not instigating it, it’s them, their selves.
If you’re a male and have some kind of interest in another male… that’s gay.
And these gay rights groups are enormously ridiculous. And they could cry ‘hate’ all they want, but the Church is not instigating it, it’s them, their selves.
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lynx
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The article was written in 1997, and uses data from 1987 to 1992. Here’s some newer stuff cdc.gov/hiv/surveillance/resources/reports/2009report/index.htm
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1holycatholic
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Only 82% survive three years after diagnosis. Most aren’t going to collect Social Security, at least not retirement benefits. That’s pretty grim. Are you trying to make the case against homosexual activity, IV drug use, or the double whammy of homosexual activity combined with IV drug use? Since the homosexual behavior alone accounts for nearly two thirds of all cases you don’t need the combination of homosexual behavior and IV drug use that pushes the figures well over seventy percent.
You could have also mentioned the following about homosexual behavior (from the same site):
- 8.4 times more likely to have tried to commit suicide
- 5.9 times more likely to report high levels of depression
- 3.4 times more likely to use illegal drugs
- 3.4 times more likely to have risky sex
Studies have shown that, when compared with the general population, gay and bisexual men, lesbian, and transgender individuals are more likely to:
- Use alcohol and drugs
- Have higher rates of substance abuse
- Are less likely to abstain from alcohol and drug use
- Are more likely to continue heavy drinking into later life
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lynx
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My goal was to update your information. Where did you pull those numbers from? What studies are you referencing? Also, here’s a slide demonstrating trends cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/slides/trends/slides/trends16.pdf Take note of the slope between heterosexual and homosexual transmission rates.Only 82% survive three years after diagnosis. Most aren’t going to collect Social Security, at least not retirement benefits. That’s pretty grim. Are you trying to make the case against homosexual activity, IV drug use, or the double whammy of homosexual activity combined with IV drug use? Since the homosexual behavior alone accounts for nearly two thirds of all cases you don’t need the combination of homosexual behavior and IV drug use that pushes the figures well over seventy percent.
You could have also mentioned the following about homosexual behavior (from the same site):
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- 8.4 times more likely to have tried to commit suicide
- 5.9 times more likely to report high levels of depression
- 3.4 times more likely to use illegal drugs
- 3.4 times more likely to have risky sex
Studies have shown that, when compared with the general population, gay and bisexual men, lesbian, and transgender individuals are more likely to:
- Use alcohol and drugs
- Have higher rates of substance abuse
- Are less likely to abstain from alcohol and drug use
- Are more likely to continue heavy drinking into later life
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CatholicBoy1957
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The term “Gay” usually refers to someone who is fully into the Gay lifestyle. They advertise themselves as “Gay”; they are not in the closet. They do not care if sodomy is a sin and do not attempt to live chastely; they commit the acts.
Someone could suffer from SSA, but not be a practicing homosexual; they are not engaging in the acts.
Fr. Dr. Jim Lloyd gave an interesting talk to our apologetics group, where he listed a spectrum of several levels of homosexuality, including everything from being effeminate, to being Gay.
Someone could suffer from SSA, but not be a practicing homosexual; they are not engaging in the acts.
Fr. Dr. Jim Lloyd gave an interesting talk to our apologetics group, where he listed a spectrum of several levels of homosexuality, including everything from being effeminate, to being Gay.
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1holycatholic
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I pulled them from the linked site you provided.
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crazzeto
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But it is a lifestyle, a lifestyle is a choice you make. Having sex with men, is indeed a choice you make.
Don’t you just love “broken record” arguments?
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de_Tocqueville
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Isn’t saying homosexual rights groups attack the Church like saying Communists attack Capitalism? And…?
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EmperorNapoleon
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According to the study you posted; homosexual men with HIV/AIDS have a shorter life expectancy and to pluck the gay population of a single city with an unusually high rate of HIV transmission and apply that to the entire gay population is bad science.
Anyone, including heterosexuals, with HIV/AIDS or any immune deficiency has a shorter life expectancy and I’d like to point out that just 3% of homosexual men have HIV/AIDS. And dont speak as if homosexual sex is the only variety of sex with serious health risks. EVERY form of sex has serious health risks.
The little disclaimer at the bottom tells me that the data is, at least slightly, skewed. In summary, it shows that the graph reflects what its author(s) think it should look like and not what the data they collected reveals.
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1holycatholic
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Homosexual behavior is inherently high risk. Chaste heterosexual behavior is inherently low risk. The link you provided is proof of that.
I see you failed to account for the comorbidities associated with homosexual behavior from the site you provided.
When you provide a site you should read it first:
EmperorNapoleons handpicked site:
EmperorNapoleons handpicked site:
You’re not making a good case for engaging in intrinsically disordered homosexual behavior.
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EmperorNapoleon
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Any chaste sexual behavior is inherently low risk; including chaste homosexual behavior.
I didn’t provide any link but here’s an interesting one from the CDC. Another publication from September 2010 with different numbers. Your CDC source says that MSM make up 2% of the population. My CDC source says 4%. Given the numbers; only 3% of MSM have HIV/AIDS.
You’re attributing sources to me that I never posted. All sexual activity has risks so if your case is that sex is dangerous then no one should have it.
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pnewton
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Chaste homosexuality is an oxymoron. Perhaps you mean monogamous.
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CatholicBoy1957
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What goes through my mind when I see the phrase “chaste homosexuality” is someone with SSA who is celibate. So often on the forums it seems like I have to ask for definitions, which sometimes works, if the person is not evasive. Of course, you don’t feel that monogamous homosexuality is chaste.
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pnewton
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I could see that. The phrase used however was chaste homosexual behavior, so I go the idea that they were talking about a chaste immoral act.
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