Gays in military: Do allies' experiences matter?

[TMC]

Starting to see a larger problem?

No, and you have not pointed to one. Stereotypes and personal dislikes do not make good military policy. There are good and bad people of all stripes; there is no reason to ban people by category without any rational basis for doing so. As has been said many times on this thread, many countries with top militaries have allowed gays to serve openly without any ill effects. The US has allowed gays to serve secretly, with the only ill effects caused by the secrecy - not the homosexuality. The military is there to fight wars and keep the peace, not as an instrument of social policy or morality police. There is simply no reason to continue to discriminate against a whole category of Americans if they want to serve.

 

[Barbkw]

Yes, it is important to continue to discriminate (discern unacceptable behavior) in order to protect institutions and society.

People with same sex attraction serve in the military now.

What the homosexual agenda wants, is for the military to recognize, accept and condone their sexual activities and their sexual identity disorders.

 

[NE_Catholic]

Yes, it is important to continue to discriminate (discern unacceptable behavior) in order to protect institutions and society.

elaborate

there is a moral code in the Armed Services, that is benchmark.

 

[Barbkw]

You think it’s a problem with military superiors when a homosexual man - with desires to be a female (and who harbors a strong desire to out his homosexuality) - is brought into the military?

Are you saying that you would “discriminate” against the transgendered and transvestite homosexuals to the extent to find out how radically homosexual they are?

Are you aware that the homosexual lobby is attempting to pass discrimination laws based on sexual orientation which would allow a crossdressing man to come to work either dressed as a man or as a woman depending on how he feels that day?

 

[NE_Catholic]

You think it’s a problem with military superiors when a homosexual man - with desires to be a female (and who harbors a strong desire to out his homosexuality) - is brought into the military?

when did he start asking to be a female? I doubt it was at recruitment, it was during his service. AND those around him more than likely knew about it.

Are you saying that you would “discriminate” against the transgendered and transvestite homosexuals to the extent to find out how radically homosexual they are?

this is a red herring. We are talking about homosexeuals, not disturbed people.

Are you aware that the homosexual lobby is attempting to pass discrimination laws based on sexual orientation which would allow a crossdressing man to come to work either dressed as a man or as a woman depending on how he feels that day?

what does this have to do with the Military? And who would stop them anyways? Would be great comic relief.

 

[Barbkw]

Appeasing homosexuals, will not moderate their behaviors.

 

[NE_Catholic]

Appeasing homosexuals, will not moderate their behaviors.

Where you in the Military? I was, USMC, 0311. I can tell you straight up there were gays there and they weren’t flamboyant. If they were, they were looking to “get” out. I don’t understand what you are getting at?

 

[Brendan]

His superiors should have reported him for psychological problems. How the $%#@ did he get a clearance??? This is a failure of the chain of command not DADT.

You also missed Barb’s other point.

The Bishop of the Archdiocese of the Military said it should not be overturned. That should be good enought for Catholics in the Military.

 

[Barbkw]

Your calling transsexuals and transvestites disturbed people?

Have you o.k.'d your speech with the GayLesbianBisexualTransexual agenda - cuz I think they’d say you’re a bigot and a discriminator.

Interesting. It’s ok and normal for men to have sex with men. And women to have sex with women. But when a man has sex with a men yet believes himself to be a woman, it’s not ok.

 

[Barbkw]

Yep, I was. 5 years active Navy and 8 years in the Reserves.

 

[NE_Catholic]

You also missed Barb’s other point.

The Bishop of the Archdiocese of the Military said it should not be overturned. That should be good enought for Catholics in the Military.

the bottom line is that this policy does not work. You either have to outright ban homosexuals or not have the policy.

 

[NE_Catholic]

Your calling transsexuals and transvestites disturbed people?

Have you o.k.'d your speech with the GayLesbianBisexualTransexual agenda - cuz I think they’d say you’re a bigot and a discriminator.

Interesting. It’s ok and normal for men to have sex with men. And women to have sex with women. But when a man has sex with a men yet believes himself to be a woman, it’s not ok.

yes they are.
I never said it gay sex was “normal”

 

[Barbkw]

Well recruit, the military organization see, wants me to ask you a couple of questions…

1. Are you a man who wants to get really close to your feminine side?
2. How many gay pride parades have you attended dressed in bondage outfits?
3. Is one of your favorite movie actors Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz?

 

[NE_Catholic]

Well recruit, the military organization see, wants me to ask you a couple of questions…

1. Are you a man who wants to get really close to your feminine side?
2. How many gay pride parades have you attended dressed in bondage outfits?
3. Is one of your favorite movie actors Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz?

You think he hid this until he was in the right postion? Do you know what it entails to get a clearance?

 

[Barbkw]

I had a secret clearance, extremely common clearance in the Navy.

You think Manning has a mental illness?

No, not mentally ill.

It’s called vindictiveness.

Wikileaks’ Bradley Manning has it in spades.

We’ve seen the same behavior displayed nationwide by “gay” activist Perez Hilton - against anyone who opposed homosexual marriage.

 

[NE_Catholic]

I had a secret clearance, extremely common clearance in the Navy.

You think Manning has a mental illness?

No, not mentally ill.

It’s called vindictiveness.

Wikileaks’ Bradley Manning has it in spades.

We’ve seen the same behavior displayed nationwide by “gay” activist Perez Hilton - against anyone who opposed homosexual marriage.

I had a Top Secret Clearance. The FBI went to my school, neighborhood, friends, etc. I also had to have a psychological evaluation where, surprise, I was asked about beastialty and homosexuality. But I digress. His sexuality had NOTHING to do with what he did. He could have been an Anarchist, a paicifist, etc. The chain of commnd is responsible.

abcnews.go.com/WN/wikileaks-case-pvt-bradley-manningss-alleged-role-leaking/story?id=11254454

"The young soldier wrote of how he downloaded the classified information.

“I would come in with music on a CD-RW labeled with something like ‘Lady Gaga’,” he told Lamo.

While pretending to sing along to Lady Gaga’s hit “Telephone,” Manning would actually be erasing the music from the CD and recording intelligence onto it instead.

Lamo says weak computer security let the disgruntled soldier copy confidential military reports that would soon be part of one of the greatest leaks of government information in 40 years. "

???

from the NYT:
"Meanwhile, his military career was anything but stellar. He had been reprimanded twice, including once for assaulting an officer. He wrote in e-mails that he felt “regularly ignored” by his superiors “except when I had something essential, then it was back to ‘Bring me coffee, then sweep the floor.’ ”

And it seems the more isolated he felt in the military — he wore custom dog tags that said “Humanist,” and friends said he kept a toy fairy wand on his desk in Iraq — the more he clung to his hacker friends. "

 

[Barbkw]

“His sexuality had NOTHING to do with what he did.”

“Wikileaks Leaker Angry over Treatment of Gays by Military”

August 2nd, 2010

"“The revelations of Manning’s openly pro-homosexual conduct suggest that a more liberal Department of Defense policy, in deference to the wishes of the Commander-in-Chief, had already been in effect and has now backfired in a big way. The result could be not only the loss of the lives of U.S. soldiers, as a result of the enemy understanding U.S. intelligence sources and methods, but damaged relations with Afghanistan and Pakistan and a possible U.S. military defeat in the region as a whole.” - Accuracy in Media

The suspect in the leaking of classified military files, Spc. Bradley Manning, voiced his disgust with US Army commanders and U.S. “society at large” on his Facebook page just prior to his alleged downloading of thousands of secret documents, according to the British news media.

According to one story appearing in Britain’s The Telegraph, Manning, who served as a US Army intelligence analyst, became depressed after a break-up with his homosexual campanion. He also wrote: “Bradley Manning is not a piece of equipment,” and quoted a joke about “military intelligence” being an oxymoron."

According to Accuracy in Media, a media watchdog group, Manning’s Facebook page shows that he enjoyed the MSNBC program hosted by Rachel Maddow, the lesbian activist, and that he listed the left-wing Media Matters and the National Center for Transgender Equality as being among his “likes and interests.”

“Manning’s affinity on his Facebook page for ‘Repeal the Ban’ is also significant. It is a project of a group called Servicemembers United, which describes itself as the nation’s largest organization of gay and lesbian troops and veterans, their allies and supporters. The group receives financial support from the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros,” wrote AIM’s editor Cliff Kincaid.

examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/wikileaks-leaker-angry-over-treatment-of-gays-by-military

 

[NE_Catholic]

“His sexuality had NOTHING to do with what he did.”

“Wikileaks Leaker Angry over Treatment of Gays by Military”

August 2nd, 2010

examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/wikileaks-leaker-angry-over-treatment-of-gays-by-military

does not change the fact that:

1. he appeared unstable to his supriors
2. there was lax security

his being gay is merely an adjective to the fact he is a traiter. He could have been Catholic, Muslim, Anarchist, Communist, etc. It does not excuse the fact the system FAILED. The commanding officer of that facility should also be brought up on charges or dismissed. All the flags were there.

 

[TMC]

“His sexuality had NOTHING to do with what he did.”

“Wikileaks Leaker Angry over Treatment of Gays by Military”

August 2nd, 2010

"“The revelations of Manning’s openly pro-homosexual conduct suggest that a more liberal Department of Defense policy, in deference to the wishes of the Commander-in-Chief, had already been in effect and has now backfired in a big way. The result could be not only the loss of the lives of U.S. soldiers, as a result of the enemy understanding U.S. intelligence sources and methods, but damaged relations with Afghanistan and Pakistan and a possible U.S. military defeat in the region as a whole.” - Accuracy in Media

The suspect in the leaking of classified military files, Spc. Bradley Manning, voiced his disgust with US Army commanders and U.S. “society at large” on his Facebook page just prior to his alleged downloading of thousands of secret documents, according to the British news media.

According to one story appearing in Britain’s The Telegraph, Manning, who served as a US Army intelligence analyst, became depressed after a break-up with his homosexual campanion. He also wrote: “Bradley Manning is not a piece of equipment,” and quoted a joke about “military intelligence” being an oxymoron."

According to Accuracy in Media, a media watchdog group, Manning’s Facebook page shows that he enjoyed the MSNBC program hosted by Rachel Maddow, the lesbian activist, and that he listed the left-wing Media Matters and the National Center for Transgender Equality as being among his “likes and interests.”

“Manning’s affinity on his Facebook page for ‘Repeal the Ban’ is also significant. It is a project of a group called Servicemembers United, which describes itself as the nation’s largest organization of gay and lesbian troops and veterans, their allies and supporters. The group receives financial support from the Open Society Institute of billionaire George Soros,” wrote AIM’s editor Cliff Kincaid.

examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/wikileaks-leaker-angry-over-treatment-of-gays-by-military

If your position is that one act by an individual in a group invalidates the entire group, then who will be left to serve? There have been plenty of bad acts from members of pretty much any identifiable group.

 

[Barbkw]

If your position is that one act by an individual in a group invalidates the entire group, then who will be left to serve?

No, I’m talking about the vindictive actions of the GayLesbianBiSexualTransexuals as a self centered, self serving group of individuals who will stop at nothing to advance their agenda in society.

Right now, their target is the U.S. military.