Genocide in the Bible: does this trouble anyone else?

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It is true that people are made in the image and likeness of God. But (at least until recently) even my old Chatty Cathy doll from 1961 would not be confused with a real live child despite her saying a couple of phrases when you pulled the string.

So what we know or attribute to God is based upon our understanding, which is limited.

And of course when it comes to death, it is something that God had to make clear. . .and which He did again as far as limited human understanding could take it.

Humans in the time of the chronicle in question understood a ruler as a being who could act ‘as he saw fit’, who had the power of life and death over his subjects. They tended to look upon God as being the ‘highest of the high’.

But God, as creator, actually DOES have the right of ‘life and death’ over His people. He gives them life (there is still no answer to natural pure science as to how life ever started far less how the universe itself started, and scientists acknowledge that outside some kind of cause ‘outside’ of the universe it could not come into being ‘on its own’, so there is no ‘life principle’ that just evolved and led to people just growing. There was an original, and yet unknown scientifically speaking origin to life. We believe in a creator who gave us life but the life in a temporal plane is not eternal. It is however outside the temporal (or the natural world) eternal.

A comparison could be in a limited way to the child in the womb. The child exists inside the mother’s womb, fed and nourished by the mother. . . Then at some point the child is born and will live as an independent being. What the child heard indistinctly in the womb is now clear; there is a new experience of ‘light’, the new function of breathing with lungs, etc.

Well, our human life span on this temporal world is like being in the womb. At some point our physical bodies will cease to function and our souls will continue onto the supernatural planes of heaven or hell and at the Judgment, we will have our physical bodies remade in a way that they will function forever in that supernatural plane.

We believe that the Creator Himself gave us this understanding and many other teachings that will help us not only to function most effectively on earth but will ‘stretch’ our mind/soul to enable it to be ready for existence in heaven.

But to go back to Chatty Cathy, we humans despite being images and even children (through Jesus) of God are not, in this physical plane, gods, and we do not possess the understanding of God. We in effect limit Him if we claim that He must confirm to our views of morality, even if those views are the imperfect, but still righteous, views per the Bible.

For HUMANS in and of themselves do not have the moral authority to create life and death. God does. What God may allow may be perceived, again imperfectly, as a wrong according to God Himself, unless He has commanded it.
 
For HUMANS in and of themselves do not have the moral authority to create life and death. God does. What God may allow may be perceived, again imperfectly, as a wrong according to God Himself, unless He has commanded it.
But nobody is arguing against this. I’m not sure why there are so many posts explaining this when it is not being contended.
 
In the context of this discussion, anthropomorphizing God would mean to constrict the actions and will of God to the words on a page in modern journalistic understanding.
That is to limit God’s possibilities to the human mind and to human expression, exactly as recorded.
 
In the context of this discussion, anthropomorphizing God would mean to constrict the actions and will of God to the words on a page in modern journalistic understanding.
This “non journalistic” reading leads to making the Bible inspired by you instead of God, since in the end you only pick and choose what God says.
 
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In the context of this discussion, anthropomorphizing God would mean to constrict the actions and will of God to the words on a page in modern journalistic understanding.
That is to limit God’s possibilities to the human mind and to human expression, exactly as recorded.
You mean like when when the bible describes God as jealous or angry or vengeful? You don’t think that people read that as a literal description of God’s character? As per the post above?
 
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And if God in Christ is the fullest source of morality, there cannot be contradiction in God. God does not change, and God does not contradict himself.
God revealed in Christ wasn’t Mr. Nice Guy.
God revealed in Christ is pure and infinite love and goodness. Christ revealed that God is like the father who is filled with compassion for the prodigal son and runs to him when he is still a long way off, throws his arms around him and kisses him.

It is really sad to see people with such wrong ideas about God.
And again, you seem to be forgetting that the God who commanded these things is the same God who became incarnate.
No, the God of Jesus Christ has never commanded “those things”; it is you who do not understand that the Old testament is to be interpreted in the light of Christ’s revelation.

Gen 6: 6The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

Do you think that God really regretted and decided to wipe the human race?
Don’t you understand that these verses (and many other verses in the OT) express a wrong concept of God?
 
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goout:
In the context of this discussion, anthropomorphizing God would mean to constrict the actions and will of God to the words on a page in modern journalistic understanding.
That is to limit God’s possibilities to the human mind and to human expression, exactly as recorded.
You mean like when when the bible describes God as jealous or angry or vengeful? You don’t think that people read that as a literal description of God’s character? As per the post above?
Yes. Human expressions. Scripture is full of the human element.
Some first principles that must inform reading of scripture:
God is unchanging
God does not have human emotions (the Incarnate Christ however does experience emotions in time and space)

When Scripture describes God as developing human emotions over events, that is the human element of scripture coming through in the author. The author is describing the world around him and the divine element in the best way he can.
You are correct that people will read this in literalist journalistic fashion,as if God has a fit of anger over events as they happen. There are other ways to read these passages in a more wholesome context.
 
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In the context of this discussion, anthropomorphizing God would mean to constrict the actions and will of God to the words on a page in modern journalistic understanding.
This leads to making the Bible inspired by you instead of God, since in the end you only pick and choose what God says.
Yes, kudos to you. That is exactly the point.
 
God revealed in Christ is pure and infinite love and goodness.
A goodness that doesn’t tolerate sin.
Yes, kudos to you. That is exactly the point
That’s what you and your cohorts are doing.
No, the God of Jesus Christ has never commanded “those things
Scripture contradicts you. The deluge. Sodom and Gomorrah.
Don’t you understand that these verses (and many other verses in the OT) express a wrong concept of God?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. You have made yourself the agency of Scripture instead of God.
Gen 6: 6The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Do you realize why God said this?

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
Genesis 6:5 NIV
 
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Yes. Human expressions
So you deny the Scripture which says that God will reward everyone according to what they have done because God is "vengeful?"And you deny the Scripture which says “Vengeance is Mine. I will repay?”
 
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Mmarco:
God revealed in Christ is pure and infinite love and goodness.
A goodness that doesn’t tolerate sin.
We perfectly agree that God cannot tolerate evil and sin, but this has nothing to do with the topic under discussion here.
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Mmarco:
No, the God of Jesus Christ has never commanded “those things
Scripture contradicts you. The deluge. Sodom and Gomorrah.
No, it’s only your literalistic interpretation of Scripture that contradicts me.
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Mmarco:
Don’t you understand that these verses (and many other verses in the OT) express a wrong concept of God?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. You have made yourself the agency of Scripture instead of God.
No, I have made Christ’s revelation the agency of Scripture. The Old Testament is to be interpreted in the light of Christ’s revelation.
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Mmarco:
Gen 6: 6The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
Do you realize why God said this?

**The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
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Genesis 6:5 NIV
The verse you have quoted is totally irrilevant. The point is the Gen 6: 6 explicitly says that God regretted and decided to wipe the human race, which is certainly false. You are just pretending (maybe also to yourself) not to see this evident point. Your literalistic interpretation of Scripture is incoherent and self-contradictory
 
The verse you have quoted is totally irrilevant
What happens when you lack understanding of the Scriptures. You start to make certain verses irrelevant. You have made Scripture inspired by @Mmarco instead of inspired by God.
 
We perfectly agree that God cannot tolerate evil and sin, but this has nothing to do with the topic under discussion here.
It has everything to do with it. God was executing his judgement on the Canaanites because they filled up the cup of their wickedness.
it’s only your literalistic interpretation of Scripture that contradicts me.
So Scripture is inspired by you and not God.
I have made Christ’s revelation the agency of Scripture.
And Christ will say to many to depart from Him.
 
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Mmarco:
The verse you have quoted is totally irrilevant
What happens when you lack understanding of the Scriptures. You start to make certain verses irrelevant. You have made Scripture inspired by @Mmarco instead of inspired by God.
I meant that the verse you quoted was irrilevant for the issue under discussion, because it does not change the meaning of Gen 6:6.
 
note that the book of Joshua proclaims that the Canaanites are wiped out. Yet we know from Judges this is not so, and even from the text of Joshua. Look at the story of Rahab. Now one may take a critical approach and say Judges was written by another so it differs, but as Catholics we must understand the text as a coherent whole.
It would be nice to think that some babes in arms were saved from death. As a child I could not wrap my head around the picture in a book I saw depicting this. It terrified me.

Ancestors of the Canannites live today.

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8

 
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