Genocide in the Bible: does this trouble anyone else?

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Freddy said:
You’re not reading what I write. I said that denying objective morality didn’t mean that one couldn’t opinion on what is wrong or right.
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If there is no objective morality there is no such thing as right and wrong.

Anyway so that this isn’t completely off topic, I do think a direct command from God should be obeyed. However, if someone were to command me to act against Church teachings, I would doubt that that was God.
 
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Freddy:
You’re not reading what I write. I said that denying objective morality didn’t mean that one couldn’t opinion on what is wrong or right.
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If there is no objective morality there is no such thing as right and wrong.

Anyway so that this isn’t completely off topic, I do think a direct command from God should be obeyed. However, if someone were to command me to.act against Church teachings, I would doubt that that was God.
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That seems an eminently sensible approach. Although it seems others in this thread would not agree.
 
po18guy said:
Absolutely does not trouble me. All of creation is God’s - to do with as He desires. We encounter problems when we attempt to apply human moral and ethical standards to the Divine.

Do you know how many sketches and canvasses Monet, or Picasso tore up and discarded? But, but, they were gorgeous! Could have been classics!

Not to the makers. The right to create and to destroy was reserved to them.
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This sense of God’s omnipotence is only true in a theoretical/hypothetical sense, and if God is anything at all, he is not theoretical. God is. This sense of God’s arbitrary omnipotence is the human sense of it, not God’s. It is the human understanding of power to use it in arbitrary ways. It is human beings who hold power and say “I can do what I want because I can do it and I will it”. But this is not God at all. God’s power is quite the opposite of what you are asserting.

If human beings are to be moral creatures…where is that morality sourced? God, as revealed in Christ.
And if God in Christ is the fullest source of morality, there cannot be contradiction in God. God does not change, and God does not contradict himself.
Attributing to God behaviors that contradict his very own self revelation is dubious reading of scripture. The truth that God is not a moral subject does not mean that God contradicts morality.

The heart of this misunderstanding is a skewed sense of Godly power; an attempt to conform God’s power to the human arbitrary sense.
 
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First, go and learn about Christianity (and not from atheists). Study the Saints and Martyrs first. Then we can have a productive conversation.
 
I mean, just because it doesn’t show that kind of evidence of it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because they didn’t find any evidence of that sort, it doesn’t mean there isn’t any out there. Stuff that happens now is suspect to a wide array of flaws and errors. You really think finding stuff from back then would be immune to these? One can say it is expected that there would be. Also, what specifically do you mean that they didn’t find any evidence? Like, they didn’t find any bones or burials?
 
po18guy said:
First, go and learn about Christianity (and not from atheists). Study the Saints and Martyrs first. Then we can have a productive conversation.
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I don’t know how old you are, po1guy. The law of averages would say that I am older than you. And I have been studying Christianity for a considerable time. So oerhaos longer than you. My bookshelves are full of tomes from both sides of the belief divide. My parents were life long Christians and I know considerably more about the religion than they ever did. And considerably more than the man or woman on the street. So enough already with the condecension.

OK. Rant over. My apologies for getting a smidgen bent out of shape. I haven’t had my coffee yet.

Now, if you’d like to answer the question I asked and then later perhaps discuss anthropromorphism within religions with specific focus on Christianity (a clue to the anthropromorphism is actually within the name of the religion), I’m all for it.
 
MatthewGerardJohn said:
I mean, just because it doesn’t show that kind of evidence of it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because they didn’t find any evidence of that sort, it doesn’t mean there isn’t any out there. Stuff that happens now is suspect to a wide array of flaws and errors. You really think finding stuff from back then would be immune to these? One can say it is expected that there would be. Also, what specifically do you mean that they didn’t find any evidence? Like, they didn’t find any bones or burials?
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To whom is the post addressed, Matt?
 
goout said:
And if God in Christ is the fullest source of morality, there cannot be contradiction in God. God does not change, and God does not contradict himself.
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God revealed in Christ wasn’t Mr. Nice Guy.

And again, you seem to be forgetting that the God who commanded these things is the same God who became incarnate.
 
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Freddy said:
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po18guy:
In sum: our trouble begins when we anthropomorphize God(?)
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Then you have a problem. It’s built into Christianity.
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Sort of yes, but not the way this point is addressing.
Christ does come in human form as God the Son. He is more than a form though, he has full human nature. He is not being made into something that is not his nature.
Anthropomorphing God (especially in the person of the Father) is to cast human ways of thinking, willing, behaving etc… onto God that are not really proper to God. I suppose it’s idolatry…making God into something of human making.
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
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goout:
And if God in Christ is the fullest source of morality, there cannot be contradiction in God. God does not change, and God does not contradict himself.
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God revealed in Christ wasn’t Mr. Nice Guy.

And again, you seem to be forgetting that the God who commanded these things is the same God who became incarnate.
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Many (most) people disagree that God literally commanded these things in CNN journalism style.
 
po18guy said:
In sum: our trouble begins when we anthropomorphize God(?)
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It seems to me that human beings tend to use power…for the sake of power.
God’s exercise of power is for the sake of love, because God is love. So God would not do or command something done that contradicts his revealed nature (look at Christ for the fullest revelation).
In short, human beings do things simply because we can, when not conditioned by constraints (God doesn’t have them) or when not conditioned love (which God IS) .
God does things that are consistent with who God is.
 
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goout said:
Many (most) people disagree that God literally commanded these things in CNN journalism style
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Many don’t believe in the Real Prescene. It’s clear majority doesn’t guarantee validity.

And as a matter of fact, not many people know of these texts.
 
goout said:
Anthropomorphing God (especially in the person of the Father) is to cast human ways of thinking, willing, behaving etc… onto God that are not really proper to God.
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Any reading of the bible could hardly fail to prompt one to think of God in human terms. He rests on the 7th day. He is pleased with what He’s done. He talks to Adam and Eve. He becomes angry. And that’s just the first chapter…
 
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