Genocide in the Bible: does this trouble anyone else?

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Julius_Caesar said:
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Freddy:
I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT.
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Analysis of your logic triggers you.
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I think we’re done, aren’t we?
 
Freddy said:
You really are missing the point. It’s not God I am condemning for issuing a command to hack children to death. It’s you I am condemning for arguing that it’s acceptable.
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Since when do you believe in objective morality?
 
Elf01 said:
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Freddy:
You really are missing the point. It’s not God I am condemning for issuing a command to hack children to death. It’s you I am condemning for arguing that it’s acceptable.
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Since when do you believe in objective morality?
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Do you think that denying objective morality means that one can’t opinion on what is right and what is wrong? Really?
 
Elf01 said:
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Freddy:
Do you think that denying objective morality means that one can’t opinion on what is right and what is wrong? Really?
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Yes, if there is no objective morality there is no right and wrong.
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You’re not reading what I write. I said that denying objective morality didn’t mean that one couldn’t opinion on what is wrong or right.
 
No, but thank you for clarifying.

Since you don’t believe in God, this whole discussion is moot. If you believed in God we could have a discussion.

All your posts are based on the false premise that since you don’t believe in the existence of God, but Christians do, that anything that you personally, as a 21st century human being in the Western world, find ‘wrong’ based on your arbitrary standard of morality in AD 2020 but attributed to “the Christian God” means that ‘their god’ is proven a fiction, and that they ‘use’ it to justify immoral actions.

So basically you erect a strawman and argue about it.

Well I’m glad you clarified that you simply don’t believe in God in the first place.
 
stpurl said:
No, but thank you for clarifying.

Since you don’t believe in God, this whole discussion is moot. If you believed in God we could have a discussion.

All your posts are based on the false premise that since you don’t believe in the existence of God, but Christians do, that anything that you personally, as a 21st century human being in the Western world, find ‘wrong’ based on your arbitrary standard of morality in AD 2020 but attributed to “the Christian God” means that ‘their god’ is proven a fiction, and that they ‘use’ it to justify immoral actions.

So basically you erect a strawman and argue about it.

Well I’m glad you clarified that you simply don’t believe in God in the first place.
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I’m sorry you didn’t appreciate that I was an atheist. It might have clarified some of the points I was trying to make. Maybe this makes more sense in tbe light of that:

I am not arguing against God’s actions or His right to make them (on the assumption that He exists). I am objecting to the views of those who say that He did issue such commands and that the resulting acts were entirely justified.
 
Freddy said:
I am not arguing against God’s actions or His right to make them (on the assumption that He exists). I am objecting to the views of those who say that He did issue such commands and that the resulting acts were entirely justified.
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You realize that’s the core issue?
 
When you object to God’s commands and their justification, that’s the core of it.

Who has know the mind of God, or who has been His counselor?
 
Julius_Caesar said:
You. I advise reading your own posts.
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Freddy said:
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Julius_Caesar:
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Freddy:
It’s you I am condemning for arguing that it’s acceptable.
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Nope. It’s God, because it’s God’s command that you dispute.
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The sixth time, I think:

I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT.

How about you print that out in a suitably large font and stick it to the front of your screen so you don’t forget it.
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How about that! I actually wrote that I wasn’t disputing God’s command. I wrote it in all caps. Now I’ve made it bold as well!

That is now seven times I’ve posted that. What more can a poor boy do? Will we reach double figures?
 
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Absolutely does not trouble me. All of creation is God’s - to do with as He desires. We encounter problems when we attempt to apply human moral and ethical standards to the Divine.

Do you know how many sketches and canvasses Monet, or Picasso tore up and discarded? But, but, they were gorgeous! Could have been classics!

Not to the makers. The right to create and to destroy was reserved to them.
 
Then if you think that putting children to the sword actually happened and was not immoral, then I honestly can’t think of any command that God could give that you would think it so.

So if you truly believe that God has commanded you to do something, there is nothing that we would normally consider horrendously immoral that you wouldn’t do.
 
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We cannot treat such occurrences as if they were flights of fancy. Rather, we place them in context. We are now living in a new, eternal and much broader covenant. The greatest rule is love. Love does nothing of the horrors which you mention. In the New Covenant, we are obedient to God only if we love.
 
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