George Floyd had coronavirus, autopsy says

[F_Marturana]

Part of the report said his blood cells seemed to be sickle shaped.

Sickle cell anemia has pain as a symptom:

• Episodes of pain. Periodic episodes of pain, called pain crises, are a major symptom of sickle cell anemia. Pain develops when sickle-shaped red blood cells block blood flow through tiny blood vessels to your chest, abdomen and joints. Pain can also occur in your bones.The pain varies in intensity and can last for a few hours to a few weeks. Some people have only a few pain crises a year. Others have a dozen or more pain crises a year. A severe pain crisis requires a hospital stay.Some adolescents and adults with sickle cell anemia also have chronic pain, which can result from bone and joint damage, ulcers, and other causes.

From The Mayo Clinic.

 

[meltzerboy2]

If the news media cut this out, how is it that you are privy to the information?

 

[Rubee]

I agree 8 minutes was too long, but I also think dealing with a large and possibly strong out of control arrestee is an extremely stressful undertaking. One has to search really hard to find out how big King was to begin with which goes a long way toward explaining why it was so hard to subdue him. That information isn’t on his Wikipedia page, for instance.

Four cops; man wasn’t fighting; that kneeling cop, in fact, looked very comfortable on his neck. Everyone I’ve seen who knows about these matters, even on Fox, ex-cops and all that, they all say there is utterly no excuse for this.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

Four cops; man wasn’t fighting; that kneeling cop, in fact, looked very comfortable on his neck. Everyone I’ve seen who knows about these matters, even on Fox, ex-cops and all that, they all say there is utterly no excuse for this.

I did not excuse those 8 minutes. But it’s relevant to know what led up to those 8 minutes.

 

[Rubee]

In fact, I’ve never seen a case garnering such universal denunciation as this. the video is too chilling for most people.

 

[Rubee]

But it’s relevant to know what led up to those 8 minutes.

Relevant to what?

Might’ve been revelant if they’d not murdered him and instead arraigned him in court: relevant to the charges they might’ve then levelled against him. Right now, it’s irrelevant.

 

[TMC]

I did not excuse those 8 minutes. But it’s relevant to know what led up to those 8 minutes.

When Chauvin arrived at the scene, Floyd was already handcuffed and sitting on the pavement. There were at least five cops there - the four who were charged and a park police officer who was apparently across the street. What happens next is not 100% known from what has been released, but it is captured on the video that has been released. Nothing that happened comes even close to excusing his killing.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

Relevant to what?

Might’ve been revelant if they’d not murdered him and instead arraigned him in court: relevant to the charges they might’ve then levelled against him. Right now, it’s irrelevant.

If he doesn’t resist to the extent that he did, this never happens. There are thousands of arrests and other interactions between police and civilians that end civilly. To resist or not to resist is a choice people make; people mostly don’t resist and that’s the end of it. The cops didn’t make Floyd resist, that was a choice he made. Not excusing the 8 minutes, but his resistance began the circumstances under which it could and did end horribly.

Same as with King. Remember King’s two friends in the car with him did not resist the cops and they went home that night, but King resisted mightily instead. Now to the LAPD’s credit, they have since modified their tactics for taking down suspects like him.

But if you insist on irrelevant, fine, it’s your opinion. But it will be part of the trial when it takes place.

 

[Rubee]

When Chauvin arrived at the scene, Floyd was already handcuffed and sitting on the pavement. There were at least five cops there - the four who were charged and a park police officer who was apparently across the street. What happens next is not 100% known from what has been released, but it is captured on the video that has been released. Nothing that happened comes even close to excusing his killing.

Frankly, it’d have been better if they left him handcuffed and just pointed their guns at him. The only scenario that might make sense of this in my mind is if Floy’d buds had kidnapped Chauvin’s daughter and Floyd promised to give the go-ahead for them to rape/kill her. Someone noted on tv that one point of the video, the other leg is moving, meaning Chauvin’s fully placing his weight on the knee on the neck. It’s borderline sociopathic, the whole thing, unless something like I described had triggered such a cold-hearted response in the cop.

 

[Rubee]

If he doesn’t resist to the extent that he did, this never happens. There are thousands of arrests and other interactions between police and civilians that end civilly. To resist or not to resist is a choice people make; people mostly don’t resist and that’s the end of it. The cops didn’t make Floyd resist, that was a choice he made. Not excusing the 8 minutes, but his resistance began the circumstances under which it could and did end horribly.

The man is on a pavement, handcuffed, with several armed cops, but keep insisting that he’s dead because of “resistance”.

 

[Rubee]

Witness Who Was in Floyd’s Car Says His Friend Did Not Resist Arrest (Published 2020)

Morries Lester Hall, who fled Minneapolis after witnessing George Floyd’s death, was arrested Monday in Houston and interviewed by a Minnesota investigator.

www.nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — A longtime friend of George Floyd’s who was in the passenger seat of Mr. Floyd’s car during his fatal encounter with a Minneapolis police officer said on Wednesday night that Mr. Floyd tried to defuse the tensions with the police and in no way resisted arrest.

“He was, from the beginning, trying in his humblest form to show he was not resisting in no form or way,” said the friend, Maurice Lester Hall, 42, who was tracked down on Monday in Houston, arrested on outstanding warrants and interviewed by Minnesota state investigators.

“I could hear him pleading, ‘Please, officer, what’s all this for?’” Mr. Hall said in an interview on Wednesday night with The New York Times.

Mr. Hall recounted the last moments with Mr. Floyd on Memorial Day, May 25, after they had spent part of the day together.

“He was just crying out at that time for anyone to help because he was dying,” Mr. Hall said. “I’m going to always remember seeing the fear in Floyd’s face because he’s such a king. That’s what sticks with me, seeing a grown man cry, before seeing a grown man die.”

Mr. Hall is a key witness in the state’s investigation into the four officers who apprehended Mr. Floyd, including Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Mr. Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes, even after he became unresponsive.

I’ve also heard nothing from the bystanders suggesting he was fighting those cops. In fact, the video of his arrest shows him very peacefully complying with the cops.

That said, even if he had fought them earlier, this would still be murder. Cops are only allowed to kill you to stop you from killing them or someone else, not to punish you for not having been compliant from the beginning once you became compliant. They don’t get to murder you for their ego trips.

 

[Rubee]

Even one of the store people who called the cops on George as a pure matter of procedure (not because they felt threatened by his behaviour) tried to stop the cops and was shoved aside by them!

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500566-owner-of-store-that-called-cops-on-george-floyd-says-theyll-stop-calling

The owner of the Minneapolis store that called the police on George Floyd over the use of an alleged counterfeit bill said they will no longer call the cops in similar situations.

“Police are supposed to protect and serve their communities; instead, what we’ve seen over and over again is the police abusing their power and violating the people’s trust. We realize now that escalating situations to the police almost always does more harm than good, even for something as harmless as a fake bill,” Mahmoud Abumayyaleh, the owner of Cup Foods, said in a Facebook post Sunday.

Abumayyaleh said that by “simply following procedure” and calling the police over suspected counterfeit bills, the store is putting the community in danger.

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“Until the police stop killing innocent people, we will handle incidents like this one using non-violent tactics that do not involve police. We must stand together to fight against institutional racism,” he added.

Abumayyaleh said he was not at the store when the incident occurred but that an employee called the police after “receiving a counterfeit bill from George Floyd.”

Four officers showed up. During the arrest, which a bystander captured on video, one officer knelt on Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes, even as Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. Floyd died shortly thereafter.

The four officers were fired, and the one seen kneeling on Floyd’s neck, Derek Chauvin, was charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. The three other officers have not been charged.

Abumayyaleh said his nephew was present at the store during Floyd’s arrest and was “yelling for the police officers to stop” and was “pushed away by one of the cops.”

Abumayyaleh said Cup Foods has been in regular contact with Floyd’s family. He said the store is also donating money to pay for Floyd’s memorial service.

So what is this that made everyone but these cops (everyone including the complainant) feel sorry for Floyd??? Yet we’re supposed to think something mysterious happened between his peaceful arrest and the kneeling that somehow mitigates this action? Something everyone else missed?

 

[PetraG]

Yet some people pretend we ave good numbers on these things and think they can adequately compare country deaths cases, etc.

I don’t know if they’re pretending or if they don’t understand how many fruits there are beyond just the apples and the oranges.

A number I like to see, for instance, is a very high number of confirmed cases compared to the number of deaths. That means the testing is probably in good shape.

 

[Cathoholic]

PetraG . . .

A number I like to see, for instance, is a very high number of confirmed cases compared to the number of deaths. That means the testing is probably in good shape.

Yeah. I’d like to see that myself. But even then, “confirmed” by what?

Recall the Chinese tests that the Spaniards were using were defective.

So the implications of this includes the possibility they had “positives” that were not really positive,
and “negatives” that were not really negative.

It is going to be tough sorting this out.

 

[Rubee]

The man is on a pavement, handcuffed, with several armed cops, but keep insisting that he’s dead because of “resistance”.

In fact, those commenters on tv said if they were unable to control him after handcuffing his hands behind his back, they would’ve cuffed his legs/ankles too. There’s utterly no excuse under the sun for this cold-hearted killing. In addition, cops are apparently trained not even to leave arrestees in that position due to the risk of asphyxiation. These ones not only kept him in that position, they pinned him to it and added their weight . . . to his neck (and back)! Then to remember the kneeling continued well past the pleas and lasted 3 minutes after his death.

 

[vz71]

Then to remember the kneeling continued well past the pleas and lasted 3 minutes after his death.

Interesting…can someone link to the evidence that the officer was kneeling on his neck for three minutes after death?

 

[Rubee]

Interesting…can someone link to the evidence that the officer was kneeling on his neck for three minutes after death?

Some of us use our eyes, (he goes totally lifeless by around 4/5 minutes) but you can watch Sean Hannity’s interview of the pathologist on Fox where the pathologist explains he HAD to have been dead after just a few minutes of the neck pressure and well before Chauvin got off him.

 

[vz71]

Some of us use our eyes, (he goes totally lifeless after 4/5 minutes)

Sorry, I have not known many that could tell time of death based upon just a look.
Most people I know require a vitals check of some kind.

you can watch Sean Hannity’s interview of the pathologist on Fox where the pathologist explains he HAD to have been dead after just a few minutes…

Did this pathologist likewise check vitals?

 

[Rubee]

Did this pathologist likewise check vitals?

I assume, being the expert here, he knows what happens to a human body with a man’s weight on its neck pressed against a hard pavement.

Sorry, I have not known many that could tell time of death based upon just a look.

Cute.

 

[PetraG]

Yeah. I’d like to see that myself. But even then, “confirmed” by what?

No, I mean that a state that has lots of confirmed tests compared to deaths is probably identifying a lot more people carrying the virus. They’re closer to being able to have the amount of testing and contact tracing that is needed to open things up before there is a vaccine. If you’re seeing a 5% death rate, it doesn’t mean your health care system is terrible. It means you aren’t identifying enough of your total cases.

Did George Floyd even know he was positive for SARS-CoV-2? I kind of doubt it, don’t you? How many people are out protesting who are also positive and do not know it? That’s kind of scary. It is scary for anyone in the families of the protesters that is in a high-mortality demographic and it is scary in terms of phasing in a more normal state of society.

Again: the very places that are less likely to have the good relationship between the police and the local citizenry that they’d like to have–that is, places with more patients who are poorer and more patients who are ethnically from Africa or regions of the Americas to the south of the US–are the very places where the mortality rate due to COVID-19 is also very high. There are more multi-generational households in those communities, too. Having the young healthy people who are asymptomatic out infecting each other could make matters even worse on the pandemic front.