3 minutes is very specific.
And the idea the officer stayed there 3 minutes after death is inflammatory in a already tense situation.
If there is no evidence for it, then there is no need to be claiming it.
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And the idea the officer stayed there 3 minutes after death is inflammatory in a already tense situation.
If there is no evidence for it, then there is no need to be claiming it.
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Rubee
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Inflammatory to who? Anyone who doesn’t find the video ‘inflaming’ all by itself needs his date with a psychiatrist.
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Exactly.
So why add fuel with an untrue statement?
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PetraG
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Was he struggling? Why was the force being applied, if he seemed to be not only not offering the slightest bit of resistance but actually unconscious?
Let’s just say that his defense attorney won’t be swaying any jurors with the line of defense you’re suggesting.
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Add fuel to who? If you haven’t watched the video, go watch it and leave me alone. If you have and think the idea that he kept kneeling after he had died (coz you think scientists who know the human anatomy are foolish, apparently) will “add fuel” to someone, I’m not the person you need to be talking to. A counsellor is a better idea.
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TMC
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We don’t know exactly when he died, but we know that he was motionless and unresponsive, and they could not find a pulse, and they kept pressure on his neck for multiple minutes past that point. Nothing in that action can possibly be justified.
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The pathologist on Hannity’s show said “time of death” on the certificate is officially the time when a doctor pronounces death. He gave the example of a case of a decomposed body they had just recovered from a river that was to be transferred to the facility the day after the show. He told Hannity “time of death” would be the day after the show (when they pronounced it) even if the body had been dead 4 months. However, given his knowledge, it’s very unlikely George Floyd was alive when they put him on the stretcher. VERY.
No.
Does that mean he was dead, unconscious, or just giving up?
I am not suggesting a defense.
I am suggesting that we should be precise about what we claim and have a source.
The situation is bad enough without fiction being added to it.
I have. Still don’t see when exactly he died.
You are the person making the claim, are you not?
I simply think it best to speak about what we know for certain, no fictions or exaggerating.
Quite true.
And just sticking to the facts is a much better position.
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I think the situation is bad enough without quibbling about what time it was after he stopped struggling that he actually died.
These are the relevant questions in terms of the greater question of police responding to a call about someone allegedly passing a fake $20 bill:
Was he treated the same as anyone else accused of the same crime?
Was he treated as if he may have made an honest mistake; that is, that he might not be guilty at all?
When he was apprehended, were the force and the techniques used proportionate? Not just proportionate to his size, but proportionate to his demeanor and behavior?
When he told the officer he was not able to breathe, what was the response?
When he stopped resisting, did the force stop?
Was the officer showing concern that he might injure the suspect?
Did the officers apprehend the suspect using techniques meant not just to have the lowest likelihood of injuring themselves (which is entirely justified) but also with the lowest likelihood of injuring the suspect (which is also necessary)?
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Totally! The idea that “he kept kneeling on a man’s neck 3 minutes after he died” will inflame people more than “he kept kneeling on a man’s neck 3 minutes after he became limp” is hard to wrap my mind around. Who is this will who will be inflamed by the former who was not already maximally inflamed by the latter? Quibbling is the right word.
Does the truth matter?
Objecting to something that does not appear true is another.
I ask again…does the truth, or does the truth not, matter?
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“For nearly six minutes, Floyd writhed underneath the weight of the officer before becoming unresponsive. When Kueng checked for a pulse and couldn’t find one, the complaint says not a single officer moved from their position or intervened.
Chauvin continued to press his knee on the unresponsive man’s neck for another 2 minutes and 53 seconds before paramedics arrived.”
Could someone be alive without a pulse? Maybe, I don’t know.
Aren’t first responders trained in CPR, and lack of pulse would indicate to start CPR.
Not keep kneeling.
www.vice.com
Chauvin continued to press his knee on the unresponsive man’s neck for another 2 minutes and 53 seconds before paramedics arrived.”
Could someone be alive without a pulse? Maybe, I don’t know.
Aren’t first responders trained in CPR, and lack of pulse would indicate to start CPR.
Not keep kneeling.
George Floyd Was Held Down for Almost 3 Minutes After He Went Unresponsive and Had No Pulse
The complete timeline of the fatal arrest detailed in the complaint released Friday afternoon provides critical new facts.
www.vice.com
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And the Prosecution will Object and ask “Relevance” and the Defense will have to explain and then the Judge will either Overrule or Sustain. Hedging bets on Sustain.
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Everything says this was a cold-hearted murder. I believe the reason they are not charging with 1st degree is likely to avoid technicalities getting them off-the hook.
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I can only read that one way. The Cop wanted to make sure the guy was dead or was going to die. And I am sure the Prosecution will paint that a very ugly picture to the jury.
Yes, remove the reasonable doubt part of the equation.
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100%. That’s what’s chilling about the video. How cool he remained on that neck for that long, past the pleas, the limp body, and as they were putting the body on a stretcher. Not a single reaction, not a single move to aid. It left most people I know wondering if that cop was a serial killer. Reminded me of a leopard in the Serengeti keeping his jaws on an antelope’s neck until the antelope stops kicking.
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That is an ultra chilling analogy.
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Rubee
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I know
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