George Will renounces GOP, declares ‘This is not my party'

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ucfengr said:
I’ve always found it strange how you can completely change the meaning of the word “justice” by merely putting “social” in front of it.
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And even stranger are folks who think each of the two words are mutually exclusive.
 
Neofight said:
What might be even sadder is the state of those Catholic Americans, who at the same time will support a candidate who has complete and total disregard for social justice.

The mere act of voting for either candidate is a lose/lose situation, and not a lesser of two evils scenario.
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Just as the worst horror of WWII that set it apart from other wars was the holocaust of 6 million souls, from a Catholic understanding of life, there is nothing that could be sadder than the widespread acceptance of the death of a million Americans a year in the current holocaust called abortion.
If Catholic teaching on life is true, this is the worst crime on humanity that has ever played itself out. Nothing, not even the waterboarding of 3 Islamist terrorists, could be sadder.

Of course, Catholics and others have to decide whether or not Catholic teaching on the matter is true.
If not, then indeed waterboarding of three terrorists would be more of a concern than the elimination of 50 million or any number of glorified sperm cells.
 
Neofight said:
And even stranger are folks who think each of the two words are mutually exclusive.
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In many court houses, the goddess Justice is presented with a blindfold on. Social justice often means taking the blindfold off and weighing in on the identity of the parties involved.

That in itself may or may not be a less than desirable thing. the real problem lies in how politicized the concept of Social Justice has become.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Just as the worst horror of WWII that set it apart from other wars was the holocaust of 6 million souls, from a Catholic understanding of life, there is nothing that could be sadder than the widespread acceptance of the death of a million Americans a year in the current holocaust called abortion.
If Catholic teaching on life is true, this is the worst crime on humanity that has ever played itself out. Nothing, not even the waterboarding of 3 Islamist terrorists, could be sadder.

Of course, Catholics and others have to decide whether or not Catholic teaching on the matter is true.
If not, then indeed waterboarding of three terrorists would be more of a concern than the elimination of 50 million or any number of glorified sperm cells.
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Oh, I get it…one atrocity justifies another
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Darryl1958 said:
In many court houses, the goddess Justice is presented with a blindfold on. Social justice often means taking the blindfold off and weighing in on the identity of the parties involved.

That in itself may or may not be a less than desirable thing. the real problem lies in how politicized the concept of Social Justice has become.
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Good point…there should be more studies and homilies on Amos and james.
 
Crossbones said:
He hasn’t had a party for fifteen years. President Bush abandoned all other conservative values to chase down Saddam Hussian in Iraq and the party has been in disarray ever since then. They stand for nothing except opposition to Obama and their policies are dictating by light-weight right wing radio hosts that benefit financially by having a boogeyman to attack.

George Will coming to this realization 15 years late just speaks to what a wonderful, thoughtful pundit he is/was.
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I will not disagree with you, friend. I still find it sad. I’m still interested to see what might happen in the wake of Trump’s hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
 
meltzerboy said:
Both Trump and Hillary are power-seeking individuals, to put it mildly. I think the days of being a public servant in politics, particularly in the presidency, are nearly over (if they ever existed in the first place).
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By definition, politicians are power-seeking. It simply cannot be otherwise. That said, I do believe that power-seeking individuals can also be service-seeking people.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I will not disagree with you, friend. I still find it sad. I’m still interested to see what might happen in the wake of Trump’s hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
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How is it a “hostile takeover”? Whatever people may think about what Trump has said or done, Donald Trump received more votes in a Republican primary than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever got… and he was running against 16 other candidates and he still got more votes than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever received.
 
Neofight said:
Yes, I too feel sorry for Will, but he is one of the few Republicans I feel sorry for.

The Republican Party did it to themselves…It was once a great party and a great institution…it died (or did it commit suicide) soon after its peak, which was 1980-1992.

Shortly there after, the party hierarchy perpetuated the lie that the GOP was a party of the populace, not of business…and, unfortunately the only folks who bought it were those who…well, I don’t want to go down that road, so let me say…those who are Trump supporters. And, that segment of the party grew, and displaced the old guard of the Republican Party.

So, while Will claims the Republican Party is no longer his party, it has not been his party or the likes of fine men like him, for well over a decade and a half.
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The Republican Party was once actually a conservative Party, but it hasn’t been that in many many years. Maybe a genuine conservative Party with actual votes behind it will rise from all of this. Remains to be seen.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I will not disagree with you, friend. I still find it sad. I’m still interested to see what might happen in the wake of Trump’s hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
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It’s not a hostile takeover. The Republican elite have been playing a con on their supporters for a long time pretending to care about social issues and being champions of rural working class. They don’t. The rural working class has taken over. The coalitions that make up the traditional base of the two parties are shifting and I think that the ‘pundits’ have been slow to pick up on that.
 
_Abyssinia said:
How is it a “hostile takeover”? Whatever people may think about what Trump has said or done, Donald Trump received more votes in a Republican primary than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever got… and he was running against 16 other candidates and he still got more votes than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever received.
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In my humble opinion, it is a populist takeover of the Republican Party and there are many many reasons Trump was able to accomplish it.

I have deep respect for genuine conservatives. Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican. My opinion only, of course, but I’m not the only one. One of the reasons that Trump will lose in November is that genuine, honest-to-goodness conservatives are beyond appalled at him as a standard-bearer for their Party. And well they should be.

At this point in the game, most (not all) of the Trump vote will be simply be an anti-Hillary vote. That’s fine, of course, everyone should vote his or her conscience. But a vote for Trump is in no way, shape or form a vote for conservative principles or for someone who believes in conservative principles.
 
All these anti-Trump conservatives need to realize that we need Donald Trump to stop the growing liberal agenda in America. They are not helping our crusade.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Of course, it is only because the democrat party is so bad that one can morally vote for the republicans. There are very few republican politicians for whom a faithful Catholic can vote for on their own merits.
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As Dylan Ratigan used to say, it’s a race to the bottom.
 
anon67074017 said:
All these anti-Trump conservatives need to realize that we need Donald Trump to stop the growing liberal agenda in America. They are not helping our crusade.
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Are you implying that only Trump can do that? I think there are any number of excellent GOP candidates who could have done a better job in the general election, if only they had been given a chance by the primary voters, who tend to be more polarized than general election voters. Instead the primaries, in their orgy of self-satisfaction, have produced the most polarizing candidate possible, thus guaranteeing defeat in November.
 
Neofight said:
Oh, I get it…one atrocity justifies another
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No - just a recognition that the death of 50 million children is far worse in the waterboarding three terrorists .Do you know there are actually people who justify supporting pro abortion candidates because they think such candidates opposition to waterboarding mitigates their support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand?
 
In my state you don’t register your party and we have open primaries. But I’m technically unaffiliated also at this point and not planning on voting for the first time since I was eligible. I just can’t cast a vote for either of the presumptive nominees.
 
Murmurs said:
Hillary’s instincts are Democratic, of course, but she’s much more of a centrist by nature than, say, Bernie Sanders (who has only been a member of the Democratic Party for about 5 minutes anyway). And compared to Trump, for many conservatives Hillary is practically a political messiah.

Maybe also strategic thinking? - let Trump go down to an ignominious defeat this time, demonstrating that such dangerous demagoguery doesn’t work in a general election, and then have a more moderate, willing-to-compromise and altogether less egregious candidate in 2020, to put the GOP back in the White House. Were I American, (where I would broadly be a Republican), this is what I’d intend to happen.
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Willing to compromise? The Obama presidency was the height of unwilling to compromise on anything.
 
_Abyssinia said:
How is it a “hostile takeover”? Whatever people may think about what Trump has said or done, Donald Trump received more votes in a Republican primary than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever got… and he was running against 16 other candidates and he still got more votes than any other candidate running in a Republican primary has ever received.
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Just goes to show what having a TV reality show can do for you.
 
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