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We aren’t yours for the taking. If your candidate doesn’t represent what we stand for, we aren’t voting for him.
George Will renounces GOP, declares ‘This is not my party'
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Ridgerunner
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A problem not entirely unlike the proliferation of some 40,000 protestant sects. When one decides to be one’s own party or church, that’s what happens, and all are weakened by it.
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ucfengr
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You may have inadvertently made another point. By combing the words “social” and “justice” you create a term that has nothing to do with either of the root words.
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anon67074017
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Trump is the only one who can do it now.
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Darryl1958
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If offered the choice, what would you rather?Oh, I get it…one atrocity justifies another
Would you chose to be waterboarded, or to have your brains sucked out of your head?
There is that difference to consider.
If you were faced with the horrible choice of three of your friends being waterboarded, or 50 million strangers being exterminated, which atrocity would you chose.
Well, I guess we already know that. Democrats are people who would chose even three terrorists over the 50 million strangers.
I suppose we could also consider the innocence of the 50 million versus the evil of the three terrorists. Here again though, I am not sure that such a consideration would hold much water in an argument against a leftist, for these terrorists are often considered freedom fighters against the imperialism of the West and the Jewish state of Israel.
As for myself, I am confident that the conscience and the justice systems developed in the West eventually comes to the right decision when it comes to the morality and the efficacy of waterboarding. Ergo, this explains the low numbers in the first place. The temporary discomfort of the three terrorists is not so much of a concern for me compared to the possibility of saving hundred or thousands from future terrorist attacks. I would be more concerned about what waterboarding does to the waterboarder or to the society that chooses it.
And I think that our societies have quite correctly rejected waterboarding, and are developing better ways of getting timely information from captured terrorists.
I am also galled by the feminization of our warrior values, and the princess and the pea syndrome where people are incapable of making the hard decisions it takes to win a war. Sometimes the people who are trying to kill us will get a hangnail as we fight back, and this really ought not to be a great concern for us. It is obvious to me that when you strip down Trump’s rhetoric and bombast and bluster and inconsistencies on the subject, this is what he is saying. This is what he is appealing to. It is just common sense that Americans ought to be more concerned for their own than for the welfare of the people who are trying to kill them. In war, people die. People suffer.
Get over yourselves.
Now what would change the equation completely if the 50 million lives on the other side were not really considered an atrocity, but 50 million glorified sperm.
Indeed, any argument that in any way thinks that the two ‘atrocities’ are in any way comparable would be completely inane and incomprehensible, if those 50 million strangers were actually considered to be in possession of the value and the worth of a human life in the first place.
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Cider
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Wow, so now you are accusing me of being a Protestant. Nice. But the attempted guilt trip isn’t going to work.
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Darryl1958
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No he is not.
That is not how analogies work.
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Crossbones
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Again, I think the poor coverage of US issues in Canada has coloured your perception. Waterboarding is torture, but it has been justified consistently by the right-wing media as ‘enhanced interrogations’ which is an euphemism for torture according to Bishop Cantu. Donald Trump supports waterboarding and more, so to pretend that the victory has been won and that civilized nations understand the uselessness of torture is wrong. And what you consider a common sense appeal on the part of Donald Trump sounds more like war crimes to those that are listening.
Of course, it is the United States, not Canada, that would have to bear the consequences of Trump’s action, so it is easier for someone from Canada to minimize them as meaning something totally different than what he said.
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Tomdstone
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The UK thinks it will be stronger or at least better by standing alone.
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Ridgerunner
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Of course I’m not.
My point was, and is, that there is a level of extreme subjectivism which, when reached, isolates a person, whether it be politically (as with George Will) or in religion (as in Protestantism), and that such extreme subjectivism weakens those who pursue it as well as the whole to which that person might have made a contribution had he not been so insistent on his unique righteousness.
Who is George Will going to convince to join his “party of one”? Probably nobody but his first cousin, if that.
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Ridgerunner
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Might be right. But one needs to understand that the UK is a society, not an atomistic individual. Would, say, the Philippines have been better off within the “Greater East Asia Co-prosperity sphere”? It is not always best for societies to meld themselves into a larger group.
I’m no expert on Brexit. I don’t claim to be. But something motivated the majority of Brit voters to opt out of the EU as it is at present. It’s possible (likely in my view) that the EU will reform some of its more onerous features, in which case Britain might reverse the course the voters chose.
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Darryl1958
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People don’t usually reject the status quo without reasons.
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Peter_J
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Not that I can’t imagine anyone leaving the GOP (twiddle thumbs nonchalantly), but surprising to hear a prominent figure doing so.
I don’t believe Trump would make a good President, or a good ambassador to Sealand for that matter, but I think rather than “Make sure Trump is defeated” it ought to be something like “Elect the best president that we can (under the circumstances).”
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Peter_J
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He’s lost my vote.
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Peter_J
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I guess “It was all an act” was a mistake.
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Peter_J
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I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is dead, but certainly it’s in a bad way. Anyone remember the Ted Cruz SuperPAC that campaigned against Marco Rubio in FL so that Trump would win that state?
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Peter_J
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If you buy into the narrative that the things Sean Hannity says and does are representive of everyone on Fox, then you shouldn’t expect to see Will or anyone else who doesn’t support Donald Trump.
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BellsMom
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Donald Trump is all these things too.
I’m not sure how all the blue collar voters have determined that after a life time of “global” profit seeking Donald is now a man of the people but whatever. I don’t hold it against Will or any other real conservative who finds this whole circus side show unworthy of their support.
Its funny, if republicans had nominated a Jeb Bush or John Kasich I would have been pretty likely to vote R this year. Instead they pick a belligerent 15 year old who thinks its funny to make up nicknames for women based on their cup size and sell golf suites at his resort while the pound crashes to its lowest level since the 1980’s.
The inmates have taken over the facility.
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Ridgerunner
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We’re voting on a candidate’s manners now?Donald Trump is all these things too.
I’m not sure how all the blue collar voters have determined that after a life time of “global” profit seeking Donald is now a man of the people but whatever. I don’t hold it against Will or any other real conservative who finds this whole circus side show unworthy of their support.
Its funny, if republicans had nominated a Jeb Bush or John Kasich I would have been pretty likely to vote R this year. Instead they pick a belligerent 15 year old who thinks its funny to make up nicknames for women based on their cup size and sell golf suites at his resort while the pound crashes to its lowest level since the 1980’s.
The inmates have taken over the facility.
One would NEVER have voted for LBJ (far worse than Trump, enormously vulgar) or Harry Truman (offered to punch reporters). And just because Bill Clinton kept his gross ways secret from the public doesn’t mean he had any class. The Paula Jones episode alone was far worse than anything Trump has said or done. And in private, Hillary Clinton was extremely vile in her language and in her actions.
At least Trump is out front with his faults.
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this was a serious question. now that he is no longer a republican will he continue as a commentator on FOX news. I have not heard any announcements.
if Trump wins and does a good job will he rejoin the Republican party?
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