George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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Scott_Lafrance said:
Why? Do violent offenders have more rights than people just going about their daily business?
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Not when they’re minding their business. The problem is, the law encourages busybodies to not consider the possible consequences of NOT minding their business.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Ok, you are trying to be fair…I accept that.

I simply read this:

Sounded to me (again, to me) like you were saying “She should not have retracted the statement because I’ve made up my mind already that this was just an ‘accident’ and not a possible something else, like murder.”

If that was not the case, then I apologize. …
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…That’s it. Bless you, SwizzleStick.
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No worries, OrdinaryMelkite. There is so much to read and posting moves so quickly, it is hard to keep track of things. And, I’m not particularly articulate and don’t always say things very well and I know that. No worries, okay? 🙂

God bless you too. In fact, God bless us every one. After all, we are all brothers and sisters and God loves each of us equally. He loves Martin and Zimmerman and each of their family members and friends and each of their supporters and detractors equally and He wants ALL of us to know, love and serve Him. I know I sometimes forget that. But, it is so. I know some don’t and won’t because we do live in a fallen, sinful and sometimes hateful world, but it is His will that we all come to Him, so may God bless us all.
 
bekalc said:
I find this case very troubling. At the end of the day for me, from the little I understand. I find the concept of this guy taking it upon himself to act like a cop as troubling. This young boy was minding his own business, and walking down the street, that’s not a crime. I have a hard time thinking that Zimmerman at the very least didn’t intiate the contact.

At the very least laws need to change. I don’t care what this young boy was wearing. He was committing no crimes, Zimmerman himself observed this boy commit no crimes.

Same goes for Castle laws, whats to stop someone from luring someone into their home and then shooting them because they feel “threatened”.
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Bolded above? Completely agree.
 
seekerz said:
Not when they’re minding their business. The problem is, the law encourages busybodies to not consider the possible consequences of NOT minding their business.
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Busybody or no busybody, I have the right to not get thrown to the ground and have my head bounced on the turf. If someone does that, I have the right to stop them, with deadly force if I think that is the only way. If Martin would have verbally confronted Zimmerman and kept it at that, then this would be a different story. Nearly all reported accounts concur that Martin initiated the violent confrontation, changing his status from a defender to an aggressor.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Busybody or no busybody, I have the right to not get thrown to the ground and have my head bounced on the turf. If someone does that, I have the right to stop them, with deadly force if I think that is the only way. If Martin would have verbally confronted Zimmerman and kept it at that, then this would be a different story. Nearly all reported accounts concur that Martin initiated the violent confrontation, changing his status from a defender to an aggressor.
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Oh, now it’s the turf his head gets bounced on? I’m so confused…what to do? :confused:

“Nearly all reported accounts concur that Martin initiated the violent confrontation”? :confused: And all this time we’ve been saying that ONLY Zimmerman can say who started it? I feel a headache coming on.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Busybody or no busybody, I have the right to not get thrown to the ground and have my head bounced on the turf. If someone does that, I have the right to stop them, with deadly force if I think that is the only way. If Martin would have verbally confronted Zimmerman and kept it at that, then this would be a different story. Nearly all reported accounts concur that Martin initiated the violent confrontation, changing his status from a defender to an aggressor.
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More relevant: if Zimmerman had not followed
the teen, this would be a different story -
it would be a non-story.
 
rlg94086 said:
Thanks. I wonder how this will all play out in court? Trayvon’s father initially said it wasn’t Trayvon, but he changed his mind. When the witness heard the “teen” cry for help, how did she know it was the teen? Was the officer intimidating her or informing her, based on the other accounts? It’s all very interesting.
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I listened to the 911 tapes for the first time last night. I could tell it was an adult male voice, but as far as determining the actual age of the person, no way. After all, the two men were only 11 years apart in age, so…
 
seekerz said:
Oh, now it’s the turf his head gets bounced on? I’m so confused…what to do? :confused:

“Nearly all reported accounts concur that Martin initiated the violent confrontation”? :confused: And all this time we’ve been saying that ONLY Zimmerman can say who started it? I feel a headache coming on.
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Well, we do have Zimmerman with a bruised and bloody head and other than a gunshot wound, no other signs of violence on Martin. Maybe its just circumstantial, maybe it does corroborate Zimmerman’s story. They’ll get it sorted out in discovery.
 
Calgar said:
I’ve seen a lot of people die.

Do you think everyone gets all tough and manly when they are scared?
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I’ve been in combat and I will tell you that is not the case. I’ve seen grown, trained men begin to cower and whimper when bullets start whizzing in the air.
 
rlg94086 said:
Others have posted that she would be called to witness to the voice heard screaming on the tapes. That would be a witness…
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I posted that *as an example, *not saying that it was even likely, to show how even if she were called as a witness, her comment about it’s being an accident would not come up in court. I do wish everyone would stop mentioning it–I’m sure they will have much better voice analysts than the mother of the son who died as witnesses.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I’ve been in combat and I will tell you that is not the case. I’ve seen grown, trained men begin to cower and whimper when bullets start whizzing in the air.
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That’s what I said, Scott. It’s seeker that doesn’t think that.
 
incense said:
She is the one who chose to speak publicly. She is the one who applied for two trademarks on her son. I’m hoping that was to stop the use of his name and image for commercial use. I don’t know. Is she making a profit from sales?
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It could be that she will make money from the sales, but it could also be that she doesn’t want those slogans referring to her son being put on t-shirts, etc., and since she holds the copyright or trademark, she can stop that from happening.
 
maryjk said:
No. Many links are simply to news reports. If you don’t want to listen to the news report, it really isn’t my problem.

If the girlfriend or her mother had called someone, anyone, Martin wouldn’t have been a John Doe. The proof that she didn’t call Martin’s parents is that they didn’t know anything about their son until morning. …
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That makes sense. I’d forgotten that Dad had to call the police in the morning to find out about his son.
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…Is a private citizen required to call anyone, nope. But it is sad that someone that calls herself his girlfriend, couldn’t be bothered to tell his father that something was wrong. There were claims that she went to the hospital because she was so upset. Wouldn’t her mother figure that Martin’s father would be equally upset? Wouldn’t that cause the girl’s mother to call someone? Sorry, I just don’t get it.
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I don’t understand either. That is really sad.
 
catharina said:
More relevant: if Zimmerman had not followed
the teen, this would be a different story -
it would be a non-story.
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Except this was no more illegal than Martin buying his skittles…

So we could also say that if Martin didn’t go to the store none of this would have happened as well.
 
mtbender said:
Except this was no more illegal than Martin buying his skittles…

So we could also say that if Martin didn’t go to the store none of this would have happened as well.
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Still, basic: when/where/how did their paths cross?
Did the teen go out to hunt for a Zimmerman?
No, he went out to buy Skittles for his brother and an iced tea.
 
Did Zimmerman go out hunting for a black “child” to shoot like a dog in the street? No. He was keep an eye on his neighborhood, one that had been experiencing a rash of break-ins and robberies recently.
 
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