George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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catharina said:
I know that Zimmerman pulled the trigger because he said so.
Info repeated again yesterday:

"According to [Prosecutor Abgela) Corey, Zimmerman, the Hispanic neighborhood watchman who admitted pulling the trigger in February, turned himself in to authorities and is being held in an undisclosed location, according to the Daily Caller."

examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/zimmerman-arrested-for-murder-trayvon-martin-case-can-he-get-a-fair-trial**

But according to posters here people can make a mistake in what they say… Especially when it’s not what they want to hear.
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seekerz said:
Is Zimmerman alive? Is he an adult? If the answers are yes, and yes, I highly doubt he’d qualify for the usual treatment I see given daily, to the photos of kids who have been killed.
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Yes, quite so.
 
Calgar said:
So have I. What’s you’re point? Once accused of a crime immediately guilty for life?
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My point is this:
is SCREENING sufficient to background-look
at those who really wanna have GUNS?

Probably not always.

Wish Zimmerman had not had one.
 
catharina said:
I’ve seen many recent photos in the media, all online.
yet that one is new to me too. Others, recent, MANY.
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I’ve mostly seen the one of Martin in the red Hollister shirt when he appeared to be about 12 and the one of him in the hoodie when he appeared to be a bit older, maybe 14, 15. I did find a few more recent photos than that at the link below. The photo at the memorial near where he was shot seems to be the most recent, the most current.

Friend Releases Recent Trayvon Martin Photos
wesh.com/r/30771690/detail.html
 
catharina said:
My point is this:
is SCREENING sufficient to background-look
at those who really wanna have GUNS?

Probably not always.

Wish Zimmerman had not had one.
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So people should be screened to see if the government deems them worthy of having rights?
 
catharina said:
Totally - although you did not repeat the problem you question -
**if Zimmerman had no gun on him, self-preservation would have
kept him far away from that SUSPICIOUS stranger. **

Simple common sense tells the story.
Why track down a suspicious stranger
without means of deadly force to protect
you? Who would do that?
  1. maybe the mentally ill
  2. maybe someone with a death wish
  3. maybe someone who imagines himself a hero.
I’ve had tons of experience with all three groups.

The three groups (and there are many more) share: a shortage of common sense.
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In order for that to be true however you would have to make a whole lot of assumptions without any factual basis.

What if Zimmerman did not foresee Martin becoming violent or confrontational? Then he may very well still confront the young man. Invoking the self-preservation instinct would assume that Zimmerman felt his life was at risk based on looks alone which I would bet most would not.

Unless based on Martin’s appearance Zimmerman should have assumed he was going to become violent…

Still a lot of assumptions based on no fact.
 
catharina said:
Again, thanks swizzle.

Seems some jumped into these threads quite late.
Number of posts is now well over 4000. Some
facts have been printed multiple times.
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You are welcome!

I agree that many things have been repeated. I guess with the number of posts and how quickly the number increases, it is hard to keep track of posts. Also, at least on my part, it is hard to just remember so many details.
 
catharina said:
Yet Zimmerman had past criminal charges.

Right - NOT the time for gun control issues.
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Charges are not the same as convictions…
What felony or violent crime was he** convicted** of that would automatically make him unqualified to carry a weapon?
 
SwizzleStick said:
Odd. Seems to me it would be better to use accurate descriptions, but that it just my opinion.
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What is inaccurate in calling the Zimmerman white? What makes Hispanic more correct? If race was about description/physical features, then most official forms would be yards long.
 
Calgar said:
So people should be screened to see if the government deems them worthy of having rights?
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In this day of raging mental illnesses, drug abuse, biases
and random violence, yeah I hope that the goverment will do effective screening.
 
mtbender said:
In order for that to be true however you would have to make a whole lot of assumptions without any factual basis.

What if Zimmerman did not foresee Martin becoming violent or confrontational? Then he may very well still confront the young man. Invoking the self-preservation instinct would assume that Zimmerman felt his life was at risk based on looks alone which I would bet most would not.

Unless based on Martin’s appearance Zimmerman should have assumed he was going to become violent…

Still a lot of assumptions based on no fact.
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The affidavit clearly states
that Zimmerman perceived Martin to be “CRIMINAL.”

Read the affidavit and do the math.
 
mtbender said:
Charges are not the same as convictions…
What felony or violent crime was he** convicted** of that would automatically make him unqualified to carry a weapon?
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No kidding.
Charges are not the same as convictions.

Convictions - who knows?
Tons of misinformation out there.

It’s public knowledge that he lost a job due to his violence.
Might have been a game of balances: lose the job or go to court.
There were so MANY witnesses to that violence, how could Z agree to court?
Now, in this case: VOILA! dark, rainy night, teen alone, No witnesses. Perfect.
 
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